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Charlie Bronha	Posted - 2009.09.21 18:16:00 - [1] How does a target painter works exactly? I'm confused
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.21 18:41:00 - [2] They increase the signature radius of a ship. Example, it would make a car the virtual size of a house, so you can hit it easier. The larger the target, the bigger the 'bullseye' center of the target, so you can get better hits and more hits. They increase hit chance with upto 30-35% or more. They increase the size of the target for anybody who attacks it including drones.
Charlie Bronha	Posted - 2009.09.21 19:15:00 - [3] Ah, thanks, I was thinking it gave more optimal range/falloff...
CAPSLOCKBROKE Viziam	Posted - 2009.09.21 20:47:00 - [4] Tracking Computers and Tracking Enhancers are the upgrades which increase your range and tracking speed. They can also be fitted with something called a Script, which essential specializes them into increasing ONLY range or ONLY tracking speed, but at a much higher bonus. Tracking Computers fit in MID slots, which Tracking Enhancers fit in LOW slots. You can find them under Turrents and Bays: Weapon Upgrades: Tracking Computers/Enhancers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CAPSLOCK, BECAUSE SOMETIMES REGULAR FONT JUST, ISN'T, GOOD ENOUGH.
rofflesausage	Posted - 2009.09.21 22:58:00 - [5] Edited by: rofflesausage on 21/09/2009 22:58:41 Edited by: rofflesausage on 21/09/2009 22:58:29 Generally speaking, you want target painters for missiles, & tracking computers / webs for turrets. Although TP's and Webs will help the player in any situation to a degree.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.09.21 22:59:00 - [6] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 21/09/2009 22:59:54 Originally by: rofflesausage Edited by: rofflesausage on 21/09/2009 22:58:41 Edited by: rofflesausage on 21/09/2009 22:58:29 Generally speaking, you want target painters for missiles, & tracking computers / webs for turrets. Although TP's and Webs will help the player in any situation to a degree. Untrue to the extreme. One t2 TP provides a bigger bonus to tracking than a scripted tracking computer. Only true if you're engaging targets deep into the falloff of a TP.
Capsule Dreams	Posted - 2009.09.22 02:04:00 - [7] I don't really see much difference between a target painter and a tracking computer. From this link you can see a bonus to the targets sig radius is equivalent to a bonus to tracking speed. http://wiki.eve-id.net/Tracking This graph from the forum below shows that damage per shot is directly related to chance to hit, and does not favor one bonus or another. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/KzIg/damage_range_graph.JPG http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?p=114333#114333 So a 30% tracking bonus from a scripted T2 tracking computer is equal to a 30% sig bonus from a T2 target painter. Target Painter advantages -can be increased beyond 30% with Signature Focusing -effects your drones and friends Tracking Computer Advantages -does not need to be used on each target individually -can be used to effect optimal range instead Changing your optimal range has allot more ramifications than just changing a signature radius and I'm not sure when it would be better.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.22 02:16:00 - [8] The tracking computer enhances your ship alone, the target painter is effective for anyone attacking the target being painted.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.09.22 02:35:00 - [9] Quote: Target Painter advantages -can be increased beyond 30% with Signature Focusing -effects your drones and friends Tracking Computer Advantages -does not need to be used on each target individually -can be used to effect optimal range instead Not needing to use it on each individual target only applies if you're lazy. Versatility is the only reason to use a tracking computer over a TP unless you're at a long range. Also, I'm pretty sure Target Painting also boosts the effect.
Pan Dora Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.09.22 02:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Capsule Dreams I don't really see much difference between a target painter and a tracking computer. .... Target Painter advantages -can be increased beyond 30% with Signature Focusing -effects your drones and friends Tracking Computer Advantages -does not need to be used on each target individually -can be used to effect optimal range instead actualy looks like you see a lot of diference Quote: Changing your optimal range has allot more ramifications than just changing a signature radius and I'm not sure when it would be better. Its pretty obviou that if tere is a few more people with you a TP its bettter, specialy since only 1-2 pilots need to use the TP and most can stay with TC(or use damps/ecm/tracking disruptor for a further annoyance against the poor target). _ I like to play this game because it make my in-game actions and archievments to mean something in-game.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.22 02:45:00 - [11] The easiest, bare bones way to look at it is, if you have a many on one situation, you can use a target painter to boost the ability of the many, this would be a small gang against one or two targets. If you have a one against many situation, then you may be better using a tracking computer that doesn't have to be targeted against individual opponents, much like the sensor booster is a constant effect, no matter who you are attacking. This would be appropriate in missions and against multiple opponents in pvp.
Marzaris Onbarny	Posted - 2009.09.22 23:35:00 - [12] I disagree, the painter is good in missions as well. It helps your drones and ANY weapon you use minus smart bomb or bomb, the tracking computer only helps your weapons not your drones. Most people do level 4 missions in bs+ ships, the tactics here often target one ship with all weapons until popped, as compared to a lvl 3 mission in a bs where you target several ships with 1-2 weapons as all is over kill. So if your doing concentrated fire and / or drones I use the target painter because with skills you get more % than the comp plus your only shooting at one guy, the down side is you hardly turn it on when your drones are eating the smaller guys but lets be honest you don't get a bonus with them even with the comp. If your not concentrating your fire I.e. running level 3 missions in a bs then by all means use the comp as you can spread the bonuses across all the ships your firing on.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.22 23:47:00 - [13] I wasn't saying it wasn't useful in missions, I was just giving a general example, you just have to keep applying it to every new target to be painted. If you're using drones then it does have great benefits, as long as you are painting the rat that the little swines are attacking ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
MooKids Caldari Azure Twilight Engineering	Posted - 2009.09.23 00:14:00 - [14] Just be careful as Target Painters are considered offensive modules, activating them on an NPC or player is a hostile act. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.09.23 00:18:00 - [15] Which is why they're useful for drawing aggro in missions ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Johann Callasan Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.23 00:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Capsule Dreams I don't really see much difference between a target painter and a tracking computer. From this link you can see a bonus to the targets sig radius is equivalent to a bonus to tracking speed. http://wiki.eve-id.net/Tracking This graph from the forum below shows that damage per shot is directly related to chance to hit, and does not favor one bonus or another. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/KzIg/damage_range_graph.JPG http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?p=114333#114333 So a 30% tracking bonus from a scripted T2 tracking computer is equal to a 30% sig bonus from a T2 target painter. Target Painter advantages -can be increased beyond 30% with Signature Focusing -effects your drones and friends Tracking Computer Advantages -does not need to be used on each target individually -can be used to effect optimal range instead Changing your optimal range has allot more ramifications than just changing a signature radius and I'm not sure when it would be better. Here's one big difference you missed: \Target painters ingrease apparent sig size for EVERYONE IN YOUR FLEET, so everyone gets the bonus. Tracking computers/enhancers only give the bonus to their individual ships, so ion fleet ops anyone without the computer/enhancer equipped is left out. In addition, onl;y target painters help missiles, and since missiles are a heavily used PvE weapon you see target painter used a lot in PvE. PvP their use is again in fleets, since the effects stack and everyone in the fleet gets the bonus. Imagine a inty being painted by (say) FIVE TPs, and having the sig of a BC as a result...it's pop real quick, wouldn't it?
Pan Dora Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.09.23 00:53:00 - [17] Edited by: Pan Dora on 23/09/2009 00:55:14 Originally by: Johann Callasan Originally by: Capsule Dreams Target Painter advantages -can be increased beyond 30% with Signature Focusing -effects your drones and friends Tracking Computer Advantages -does not need to be used on each target individually -can be used to effect optimal range instead Here's one big difference you missed: Actualy he dont give to much importance but he considered it. Quote: Imagine a inty being painted by (say) FIVE TPs, and having the sig of a BC as a result...it's pop real quick, wouldn't it? Just remenber that target painters suffer from stacking penalities, they are usefull and will help but they will not give ceptor the size of a BC (but granted the size of a cruise its enough) _ I like to play this game because it make my in-game actions and archievments to mean something in-game.

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