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Hanuman Li Tosh
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
8
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Posted - 2012.06.06 17:38:00 -
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Myz Toyou wrote:Hanuman Li Tosh wrote: Were playing D3 now.
Hows the ISK/hour ratio over there ?
0 isk per hour.
So much for the "elitist community notion".
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Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
73
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Posted - 2012.06.06 17:43:00 -
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no wonder many ppl have carebears so much.
in the end it's all about making high isk/hr, the safest isk-making, easiest isk-making activities
I can no longer make easy isk, EvE is dying |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1663
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Posted - 2012.06.06 17:44:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Some of the incursioners made some long-term friends there. That's community. Some of those are still running incursions together, and having fun. They've gotten to know each other the same as any other group of people do in Eve, and are doing what they like to do. That's how games are supposed to be played...with friends, for fun. Glad to hear that the incursion community is alive and well despite all the Chicken Littles! The community is alive (so I'm told), it's just devoid of all the tag-alongs who showed up to make isk and left once they'd had their fill. Yes the reduced numbers make it harder to find a fleet, but seeing as the community as it stands today is only the people who actually WANT to run incursions, it should be easier to get organized into regular groups. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2018
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Posted - 2012.06.06 17:59:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Some of the incursioners made some long-term friends there. That's community. Some of those are still running incursions together, and having fun. They've gotten to know each other the same as any other group of people do in Eve, and are doing what they like to do. That's how games are supposed to be played...with friends, for fun. Glad to hear that the incursion community is alive and well despite all the Chicken Littles! The community is alive (so I'm told), it's just devoid of all the tag-alongs who showed up to make isk and left once they'd had their fill. Yes the reduced numbers make it harder to find a fleet, but seeing as the community as it stands today is only the people who actually WANT to run incursions, it should be easier to get organized into regular groups.
I think that one thing that would inspire more (non greed motivated) people to join the "Incursion Community" would be for the environmental hardships in Incursion systems to be amped up a little more.
If these systems were to become virtually impassable during an Incursion you might find more motivated people joining up to simply restore the security of the area... and then sticking around to continue the good work. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
You gonna get aped
34
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:00:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=55792 Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1667
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:03:00 -
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EnslaverOfMinmatar wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=55792 That was so much fun. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
307
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:05:00 -
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All I ever saw was smack talk, put downs, and the crap you see in PUG WoW raid chat in the "community" chat channel for incursions.
Shrug. I guess a lot of folks liked the ISK though, and since I was horrified seeing what looked like a typical WoW raid on the chat, I never participated, so I can't really dispute the existence of said community with any authority.
As with all good things in EvE, I'm sure the serious players probably formed their own exclusive private clique, complete with private chats. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
187
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:09:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Your view of any community that arose while doing incursions does not in any way define the communities. You choose to characterize them negatively in your oh-so-clear-what-your-agenda-is post. You're not asking a question about whether a community was formed, you're finding a "clever" way of expressing an opinion that is far from new or fresh on these forums. All ways of making isk in high sec are evil, according to the forum warriors on your side of the argument. Nothing new here.
CCP has a bad habit of creating excitement about something like incursions, then changing them so drastically that the people who do them have to find something else to do. The ramping down of null sec systems in terms of sites from a couple years back comes to mind. The constant tweaking of the game is irritating but arguably necessary.
People like OP, of course, are threatened when anybody enjoys the game of Eve differently than they do. Wait what's this? Person bitching about incursion nerf is also someone who bitched about anomaly nerf?
Well colour me surprised sir! There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:23:00 -
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Wilma Lawson wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Wilma Lawson wrote:Rico Minali wrote:If they were communities they would have stayed around, because thats what a community is about right? Working together, socialising, adapting to situations and overcoming problems?
Communities dont collapse just because you reduce their isk per hour ratio. And there were no civilizations before the current existing ones. Civilizations fall because of disasters they could not overcome, they dont disband overnight because they cant get rich anymore. Communities rise and fall for a number of reasons. The reason for the fall doesn't define them as a community. Tell that to your typical late-era Pompeiian. And the Aztecs. Mayans. Hittites. Sumerians.
Ummm. Right.
Well nobody remembers how the Pikti went out so I guess your point certainly qualifies as a margin case! |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1296
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:46:00 -
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A place to X up and be called a noob, because your fit wasn't the EXACT fit some carebear theory-crafted and posted online, is not a community.
There was an incredibly intense air of utterly repulsive elitism in those channels, especially towards newer players who were told to **** off because they didn't have a faction fit Machariel.
When you're accepting 3month old toons in a faction Machariel into your fleets but turning away a 2+ year player with a fully T2 fit version there is something very very wrong and you deserve to die horribly over and over (in game) -- which is largely what happened because people got sick of their ilk and ganked and griefed them endlessly. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1296
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:51:00 -
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There's also a self evident paradox here.
If there WAS a community, then it would survive a nerf to ONE small part of the game and those people would be doing something else together instead of splitting up and returning to solo-EvE.
The fact that a 10% income nerf completely broke up the "community" says a lot about it's validity.
A group of players sucking on an ISK-faucet that badly, badly needed to be fixed is not a community, its a large group of opportunists doing it at the same time. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Hanuman Li Tosh
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
8
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:08:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:There's also a self evident paradox here.
If there WAS a community, then it would survive a nerf to ONE small part of the game and those people would be doing something else together instead of splitting up and returning to solo-EvE.
The fact that a 10% income nerf completely broke up the "community" says a lot about it's validity.
A group of players sucking on an ISK-faucet that badly, badly needed to be fixed is not a community, its a large group of opportunists doing it at the same time.
The fact that you think that you think the nerf was 10% illustrates your ignorance brilliantly. |
Sarton Wells
Blackmoon Ltd.
6
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:18:00 -
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Hanuman Li Tosh wrote:The fact that you think that you think the nerf was 10% illustrates your ignorance brilliantly.
How much was it? On average how much isk/hr are you making now compared to before the nerf? |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1176
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:43:00 -
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Sarton Wells wrote:Hanuman Li Tosh wrote:The fact that you think that you think the nerf was 10% illustrates your ignorance brilliantly. How much was it? On average how much isk/hr are you making now compared to before the nerf? The isk/hour in VGs was nerfed heavily, assaults and HQs are pretty good money now though and still much better than missions.
You can still make half decent ISK in VGs with a very good fleet, but it is nothing compared to pre-nerf. The problem is these high sec people won't be happy until they have the highest income in the game again.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1589
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:28:00 -
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There was an incursion community - back when it was only live events.
Once it was monetized content, in flocked the ISK -snatching crowd. If you made a big Tic-tac-toe board in space that you had to solve, and it payed more ISK, the same crowd would have flocked that.
Heck if you had to attach a sensor to your willie and connect it to your PC with the EvE client running and get ISK for slamming said willie in a real door repeatedly, if that paid more ISK than anything else, then they would have all done that too.
I could never figure out who these people where where that number in the wallet is the only important thing to the level of dysfunction. When we were popping (more like D3 and company I was just there to lose ships) Sansha Motherships you would not believe the intense hatred in local. I think war criminals got less hate than we did.
Why is this? Obsession? Autism? Jobless Type A personalities? I just don't know.
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Sarton Wells
Blackmoon Ltd.
6
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:33:00 -
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Well if you can still average more isk/hr doing high sec incursions than level 4 missions with the same fit I don't see how this could be a problem. Also wouldn't it make sense for vanguards to NOT be as rewarding as assault and hq sites? These are honest questions since I've never done incursions so I have no idea what's it like. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1296
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:23:00 -
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Hanuman Li Tosh wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:There's also a self evident paradox here.
If there WAS a community, then it would survive a nerf to ONE small part of the game and those people would be doing something else together instead of splitting up and returning to solo-EvE.
The fact that a 10% income nerf completely broke up the "community" says a lot about it's validity.
A group of players sucking on an ISK-faucet that badly, badly needed to be fixed is not a community, its a large group of opportunists doing it at the same time. The fact that you think that you think the nerf was 10% illustrates your ignorance brilliantly.
You need to move up the scale to HQ sites to get the higher numbers, but you can get figures that are still 80mil an hour plus, which is not a lot less than a realistic pre-vanguard nerf figure (everyone likes to paste screenshots of the 45mins they managed a 120mil an hour run, but reality was different).
Of course, you're right in the sense you can no longer just farm the massively exploited vanguard sites at all anymore, which is where all the incursion bears flocked to, they were heavily nerfed and rightly so. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
101
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:12:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Your view of any community that arose while doing incursions does not in any way define the communities. You choose to characterize them negatively in your oh-so-clear-what-your-agenda-is post. You're not asking a question about whether a community was formed, you're finding a "clever" way of expressing an opinion that is far from new or fresh on these forums. All ways of making isk in high sec are evil, according to the forum warriors on your side of the argument. Nothing new here.
CCP has a bad habit of creating excitement about something like incursions, then changing them so drastically that the people who do them have to find something else to do. The ramping down of null sec systems in terms of sites from a couple years back comes to mind. The constant tweaking of the game is irritating but arguably necessary.
People like OP, of course, are threatened when anybody enjoys the game of Eve differently than they do.
Of course. EVE should be all about shipspinning.
EDIT: SO MUCH RAGE. I only ever emerge from the shadows when my main is banned. |
Hanuman Li Tosh
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
8
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:27:00 -
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[qoute]You need to move up the scale to HQ sites to get the higher numbers, but you can get figures that are still 80mil an hour... [/quote]
or i could mission and make the same, minus travel time and looking for group time.
or do industry
or trade
or plex. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1178
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:28:00 -
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Hanuman Li Tosh wrote:Quote:You need to move up the scale to HQ sites to get the higher numbers, but you can get figures that are still 80mil an hour or i could mission and make the same, minus travel time and looking for group time. or do industry or trade or plex. I can make more in HQs than you can in missions.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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Hanuman Li Tosh
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
8
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:29:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Hanuman Li Tosh wrote:Quote:You need to move up the scale to HQ sites to get the higher numbers, but you can get figures that are still 80mil an hour or i could mission and make the same, minus travel time and looking for group time. or do industry or trade or plex. I can make more in HQs than you can in missions.
You can make more doing HQ sites than YOU can doing missions i'm sure.
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
1512
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:45:00 -
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The Incursion 'community' obviously consisted of people who thought that 'teaming up for missions' should have heavily increased rewards just for teaming up with all the other disgusting asshats.
Now that Incursions require an actual community to reap the benefits, they're all back to l4s.
Can't blame them, really. You know... morons. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1178
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:50:00 -
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Hanuman Li Tosh wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:I can make more in HQs than you can in missions. You can make more doing HQ sites than YOU can doing missions i'm sure. You post your wallet I'll post mine.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1085
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:52:00 -
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after time has passed and memory faded a bit, players who loved their broken isk printer are trying to revise history by adding a chapter of an 'incursion community' |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
64
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:16:00 -
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X up. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1298
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:34:00 -
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Hanuman Li Tosh wrote:[qoute]You need to move up the scale to HQ sites to get the higher numbers, but you can get figures that are still 80mil an hour...
or i could mission and make the same, minus travel time and looking for group time.
or do industry
or trade
or plex.
The fact that you can't look past the specific amount that you were making on the very broken Vanguard sites and see the rest of them as "pointless" by admission only highlights the reason why they were adjusted.
Your "community" wasn't Incursions, it was specifically surrounding the broken ISK/hr of the Vanguards. Now they are gone, the idea of spending time with these people is unappealing and you go back to missions, trade or other solo activities.
Thanks for proving my point? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
1066
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:42:00 -
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ITT: People telling each other, "You are playing the game wrong!" referring to an activity they view as being boring, even though someone else is happy with it.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1003
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:42:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Hanuman Li Tosh wrote:[qoute]You need to move up the scale to HQ sites to get the higher numbers, but you can get figures that are still 80mil an hour...
or i could mission and make the same, minus travel time and looking for group time.
or do industry
or trade
or plex. The fact that you can't look past the specific amount that you were making on the very broken Vanguard sites and see the rest of them as "pointless" by admission only highlights the reason why they were adjusted. Your "community" wasn't Incursions, it was specifically surrounding the broken ISK/hr of the Vanguards. Now they are gone, the idea of spending time with these people is unappealing and you go back to missions, trade or other solo activities. Thanks for proving my point? A shared love of isk/hour Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
1066
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:43:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:after time has passed and memory faded a bit, players who loved their broken isk printer are trying to revise history by adding a chapter of an 'incursion community'
Does your alliance control any high end moons?
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1086
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:56:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:after time has passed and memory faded a bit, players who loved their broken isk printer are trying to revise history by adding a chapter of an 'incursion community' Does your alliance control any high end moons? detorid is the land of milk and honey, ask anyone |
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