I never even seen one or got to try one or get ambushed by one. Those are the things that just randomly showed up in a system and locked everything down right, gates stations etc?

the incursion communities fell apart after the ~isk/hr~ wasn't "worth it" despite remaining the best income in hisec anyway

apparently the difference with l4s is not worth Playing With Other People

My question is, what communities? I can't recall them ever actually existing in the sense of a proper community.

Apparently they'll call a chat channel where you link your ship fitting and get fleet invites a "community"

Did you, uhh, did you read the original post?

I, uhh...did read the original post. I was asking a question, as I clearly stated I had never seen one. Incursions were new the last time I played and I just vaguely remember that incursions just "showed up" in systems and out in null I was told not to go in alone as I would get raped on the gate or at station by the incursion fleet. I'm just curious how it went from that to loot pinatas for carebears.

Recently, I've been seeing posts by various people claiming that Inferno ruined "communities" created by Incursions. I'm sorry, but the main thing that sticks in my mind when talking about incursions is elitist free-for-all carebears pushing each other back down the stairs in order to be the person at the top with the biggest bucket while it rained ISK. Not got a blingfit officer navy mega for the Incursion? Sorry, pally, you're not allowed in.

Are people seeing these incursions through rosy-tinted spectacles now, or are those who relied on the ISK faucet just becoming a lot more vocal?

'cause that was the original plan. Then the effects they had on a system were greatly slashed, while rewards were tripled. They were also put into highsec.

I never heard of Incursion Communities, I used to live in a place that was real close knit for retired folks. My Grandson Tim didn't seem to like it too much though. We didn't have the internets then and where Im at now we get it for free. That boy I tell ya, if he doesn't have his internets hes not a very happy boy. I remember when I was a kid I used to go to my grandfathers house and he had a donkey that liked to bite. Well we were trying to teach him to not bite us so much so I found this foul smelling stuff and rubbed it all over my clothes thinking that he would bite me and taste something horrible. But wouldn't you know it, that donkey wouldn't get near me that day and when my momma got there to get me she was as mad as a cat in a wet bag, I tell ya I was in trouble!

If they were communities they would have stayed around, because thats what a community is about right? Working together, socialising, adapting to situations and overcoming problems?

Communities dont collapse just because you reduce their isk per hour ratio.

And there were no civilizations before the current existing ones.

And there were no civilizations before the current existing ones.

Civilizations fall because of disasters they could not overcome, they dont disband overnight because they cant get rich anymore.

Civilizations fall because of disasters they could not overcome, they dont disband overnight because they cant get rich anymore.

Communities rise and fall for a number of reasons. The reason for the fall doesn't define them as a community.

the incursion communities fell apart after the ~isk/hr~ wasn't "worth it" despite remaining the best income in hisec anyway

apparently the difference with l4s is not worth Playing With Other People

Were playing D3 now.

Communities rise and fall for a number of reasons. The reason for the fall doesn't define them as a community.

Some of the incursioners made some long-term friends there. That's community. Some of those are still running incursions together, and having fun. They've gotten to know each other the same as any other group of people do in Eve, and are doing what they like to do. That's how games are supposed to be played...with friends, for fun.

Hows the ISK/hour ratio over there ?

Glad to hear that the incursion community is alive and well despite all the Chicken Littles!

The community is alive (so I'm told), it's just devoid of all the tag-alongs who showed up to make isk and left once they'd had their fill. Yes the reduced numbers make it harder to find a fleet, but seeing as the community as it stands today is only the people who actually WANT to run incursions, it should be easier to get organized into regular groups.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=55792

Your view of any community that arose while doing incursions does not in any way define the communities. You choose to characterize them negatively in your oh-so-clear-what-your-agenda-is post. You're not asking a question about whether a community was formed, you're finding a "clever" way of expressing an opinion that is far from new or fresh on these forums. All ways of making isk in high sec are evil, according to the forum warriors on your side of the argument. Nothing new here.

CCP has a bad habit of creating excitement about something like incursions, then changing them so drastically that the people who do them have to find something else to do. The ramping down of null sec systems in terms of sites from a couple years back comes to mind. The constant tweaking of the game is irritating but arguably necessary.

People like OP, of course, are threatened when anybody enjoys the game of Eve differently than they do.

Communities rise and fall for a number of reasons. The reason for the fall doesn't define them as a community.

There's also a self evident paradox here.

If there WAS a community, then it would survive a nerf to ONE small part of the game and those people would be doing something else together instead of splitting up and returning to solo-EvE.

The fact that a 10% income nerf completely broke up the "community" says a lot about it's validity.

A group of players sucking on an ISK-faucet that badly, badly needed to be fixed is not a community, its a large group of opportunists doing it at the same time.

The fact that you think that you think the nerf was 10% illustrates your ignorance brilliantly.

How much was it? On average how much isk/hr are you making now compared to before the nerf?

The fact that you think that you think the nerf was 10% illustrates your ignorance brilliantly.

Your view of any community that arose while doing incursions does not in any way define the communities. You choose to characterize them negatively in your oh-so-clear-what-your-agenda-is post. You're not asking a question about whether a community was formed, you're finding a "clever" way of expressing an opinion that is far from new or fresh on these forums. All ways of making isk in high sec are evil, according to the forum warriors on your side of the argument. Nothing new here.

CCP has a bad habit of creating excitement about something like incursions, then changing them so drastically that the people who do them have to find something else to do. The ramping down of null sec systems in terms of sites from a couple years back comes to mind. The constant tweaking of the game is irritating but arguably necessary.

People like OP, of course, are threatened when anybody enjoys the game of Eve differently than they do.

or i could mission and make the same, minus travel time and looking for group time.

or do industry

or trade

or plex.

I can make more in HQs than you can in missions.

You can make more doing HQ sites than YOU can doing missions i'm sure.

[qoute]You need to move up the scale to HQ sites to get the higher numbers, but you can get figures that are still 80mil an hour...

or i could mission and make the same, minus travel time and looking for group time.

or do industry

or trade

or plex.

The fact that you can't look past the specific amount that you were making on the very broken Vanguard sites and see the rest of them as "pointless" by admission only highlights the reason why they were adjusted.

Your "community" wasn't Incursions, it was specifically surrounding the broken ISK/hr of the Vanguards. Now they are gone, the idea of spending time with these people is unappealing and you go back to missions, trade or other solo activities.

Thanks for proving my point?

after time has passed and memory faded a bit, players who loved their broken isk printer are trying to revise history by adding a chapter of an 'incursion community'

Does your alliance control any high end moons?

A shared love of isk/hour

I've been in those channels when they've had a "nightmare fleet vs machariel fleet" argument, which usually results in lots of wallet screenshots and epeen swinging, along with theorycrafted nonsense built on a complete misunderstanding of the tracking formula.

I mean, sure ... that's a community of sorts, right?

detorid is the land of milk and honey, ask anyone

elitist free-for-all carebears pushing each other back down the stairs in order to be the person at the top with the biggest bucket while it rained ISK. Not got a blingfit officer navy mega for the Incursion? Sorry, pally, you're not allowed in.

That a yes or no?

they're poor as **** and you're comparing incursions to moons (probably because you couldn't cut it in nullsec and moved to hisec????)

please unplug your modem and never post anywhere again

I love how you are constantly contradicting yourself all over the place.

I love how you are constantly contradicting yourself all over the place.

I've been in those channels when they've had a "nightmare fleet vs machariel fleet" argument, which usually results in lots of wallet screenshots and epeen swinging, along with theorycrafted nonsense built on a complete misunderstanding of the tracking formula.

I mean, sure ... that's a community of sorts, right?

Your view of any community that arose while doing incursions does not in any way define the communities. You choose to characterize them negatively in your oh-so-clear-what-your-agenda-is post. You're not asking a question about whether a community was formed, you're finding a "clever" way of expressing an opinion that is far from new or fresh on these forums. All ways of making isk in high sec are evil, according to the forum warriors on your side of the argument. Nothing new here.

CCP has a bad habit of creating excitement about something like incursions, then changing them so drastically that the people who do them have to find something else to do. The ramping down of null sec systems in terms of sites from a couple years back comes to mind. The constant tweaking of the game is irritating but arguably necessary.

People like OP, of course, are threatened when anybody enjoys the game of Eve differently than they do.

The isk/hour in VGs was nerfed heavily, assaults and HQs are pretty good money now though and still much better than missions.

You can still make half decent ISK in VGs with a very good fleet, but it is nothing compared to pre-nerf. The problem is these high sec people won't be happy until they have the highest income in the game again.

Your "community" wasn't Incursions, it was specifically surrounding the broken ISK/hr of the Vanguards. Now they are gone, the idea of spending time with these people is unappealing and you go back to missions, trade or other solo activities.

Thanks for proving my point?

The Incursion 'community' obviously consisted of people who thought that 'teaming up for missions' should have heavily increased rewards just for teaming up with all the other disgusting asshats.

Now that Incursions require an actual community to reap the benefits, they're all back to l4s.

Can't blame them, really.

i see no contradictions in that post, sorry

They never had it, ever. Not for a microsecond. Not even a little bit ******* close.

And this is completely ignoring time wasted when people try and kill you, something that was rare in incursions even before you cried and forced CCP to change aggression mechanics.

Um what? Rare?! Going to have to call bullshit on that. I was eyeballs deep in Incursions for two weeks straight when it was released. People were being killed left and right. I even did some of the killing myself. The aggression mechanic blew open the door to exploit the crap out of it. So for you to say it was rare is extremely inaccurate.

Damn I made some fat ass lewts doing that thinking about it. Still, it was a terrible mechanic that was fixed. I even agreed it needed to be fixed.

Perhaps I should have just thought about what was best for me and argued against the change?

I have been in fleets where the decision to gank or not gank is based on return on investment. So obviously the PVP "community" is a fabrication, since reducing ISK/hr causes that community to dissolve.

Explain to me how the group of players performing this theoretical gank suddenly lose cohesion if a target isn't valuable enough? You realise we just take the same guys and shoot some other poor sap, right? One gank not performed is not a broken community.

Any "community" survives the nerfing of a single gameplay element without breaking up and going out on the wind.
Example: the community of incursion bear griefers stayed together after CCP procedurally nerfed the ability to grief them time and time again. Now that people are barely running them, they're off doing other things together, like HG.

If the target isn't valuable enough, no action is taken. The "community" obviously doesn't exist because they're not blowing up things.

The ISK farmers have moved on to other ISK farming activities (anomalies in null sec, L4 missions in hisec, mining, etc).

The Incursions grievers gave up after a couple of weeks of shutting down Incursions

Please, keep coming back with these arguments, they're endlessly amusing. One target opportunity is a community, heh.

channels......wallet screenshots.....epeen swinging.....theorycrafted nonsense

The Incursions grievers gave up after a couple of weeks of shutting down Incursions. The people remaining are griefing incursions as a solo game. The griefing "community" doesn't exist, by your standards.

That a yes or no?

Recently, I've been seeing posts by various people claiming that Inferno ruined "communities" created by Incursions. I'm sorry, but the main thing that sticks in my mind when talking about incursions is elitist free-for-all carebears pushing each other back down the stairs in order to be the person at the top with the biggest bucket while it rained ISK. Not got a blingfit officer navy mega for the Incursion? Sorry, pally, you're not allowed in.

Are people seeing these incursions through rosy-tinted spectacles now, or are those who relied on the ISK faucet just becoming a lot more vocal?

You're the one claiming that the "Incursion community" is dead, even though they are still going strong.

We're not griefing *incursions*. I'm happy to report that not only am I still flying and killing with most of the people that I griefed incursions with, but also we've created bonds with similarly minded folks in other organizations.

We brag, share tears, and give each other tips and advice about forms of griefing that range from simple can flipping to long term infiltrations. Me, personally, I've got an especially soft spot for people new to the life and love giving guidance to newbros. I've even written up the odd guide for them.

We're not a community based around griefing incursions, we're a community based around griefing (and war deccing, and also griefing DayZ.)

My question is, what communities? I can't recall them ever actually existing in the sense of a proper community.

The fact that you think that you think the nerf was 10% illustrates your ignorance brilliantly.

See, Mara, this is a community. It's not about what you do but the people you do it with.

If the incursion super-tard-bears ever had a community they'd still be doing things together instead of moving on to the next-best risk free ISK/hr activity. Solo.

That was so much fun.

Talking about previous posts on previous days. I should have specified.

Anyways, continue telling the rest of the player base about how they are playing in the sandbox wrong.

Apparently they'll call a chat channel where you link your ship fitting and get fleet invites a "community"

Sounds like a community to me.

In fact it sounds like most Western countries. Every tried to get into the "Land of the Free" lately?

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1. a social group of any size whose members reside in a specific locality, share government, and often have a common cultural and historical heritage.
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6. Some random chat channel used to x up for fleets?

X for POS destruction.

Not got a blingfit officer navy mega for the Incursion? Sorry, pally, you're not allowed in

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Not got a blingfit officer navy mega for the Incursion? Sorry, pally, you're not allowed in.

Please, stop kicking literally dead horse.

I never heard of Incursion Communities, I used to live in a place that was real close knit for retired folks. My Grandson Tim didn't seem to like it too much though. We didn't have the internets then and where Im at now we get it for free. That boy I tell ya, if he doesn't have his internets hes not a very happy boy. I remember when I was a kid I used to go to my grandfathers house and he had a donkey that liked to bite. Well we were trying to teach him to not bite us so much so I found this foul smelling stuff and rubbed it all over my clothes thinking that he would bite me and taste something horrible. But wouldn't you know it, that donkey wouldn't get near me that day and when my momma got there to get me she was as mad as a cat in a wet bag, I tell ya I was in trouble!

Lets face it this game is doomed, CCP spend too much time listening to people with alteria agenda's instead of thinking for themselfs.

Lastnight ran incursions the first tiem since nerf. It took about 1 hour to make a fleet, then made 30mil in the following hour, before people had to leave because they had been waiting around for so long.

So 30 mil for 2 hours work, yeah great, thats defiantly the best way to make isk in high sec.

CCP do your own research and testing instead of just taking people at thier word on the forums. Ive seen people quoting 250mil-300mil per hour BEFORE the nurf on the forums, and that was wiiiillddddley inaccurate.

you have cater'd to the 0.0 alliances who had thier own reasons to get incursions nuked from orbit and that was a massive mistake, ive said it in the past but not messing about anymore. you can shove your game where the sun doesnt shine

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