Ok CCp i hope u have a back up plan because wait for it have you not seen the price of ships recently . I have no problem with your idea of removing drone poo from the game but I am afraid there is just not enough trit in the game to keep up with the amount of ships that are exploding . There is a lot more players blowing more **** up than there was a few years ago and the miners tat are trying to keep up with the trit demand are not able to . Today a guy in my corp decided to hang up his eve boots because of this . And he has been in eve for over 5 years . and I am sure that he will not be the only one I am noticing a trend of less and less activity its is slow decline but it is there for sure and if u look into your server logs u will see it . I will not be surprised also that the amount of new players trial accounts that is becoming a subscribed account has declined also . the more casual player who does not have much time to play eve is struggling to rat enough isk to be able to loose a couple of BS a week . and for the new player joining they are having to put in twice the effort just to eventually get that ship they wanted and then more than likely get high sec ganked with it anyway . If u have a back up plan now is the time to do something about it a before nobody uses those big shiny ships because they are impossible to replace and u get nothing but a fleets of cruisers flying around or very simply less and less conflict in the game because it is not possible to keep up with large ship losses .

I am noticing a trend of less and less activity its is slow decline but it is there for sure and if u look into your server logs u will see it . I will not be surprised also that the amount of new players trial accounts that is becoming a subscribed account has declined also

ok my point is a single pilot can mine all the veld in a system all day so there is no more left only to find once it is refined they only have enough if they are lucky to maybe build 1 BS maybe 2 in a system with a lot of belts fo the guys who do not mine u would not realise this . now before u say do not mine then i do almost everything in the game for they guy who has said that ship prices have fell in the last few weeks there is not much 0.0 conflict going on like there was a few moths back just wait until it all kicks of then and then watch the prices.

I don't know where you are getting your information from but a CCP employee recently said:

"We are on the cusp of breaking our all-time subscriber record right now,"

Taken from this article:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/05/e3-2012-ccp-says-it-wants-eve-to-be-around-in-10-20-30-years/

If this is true why don't you find a way to profit from this instead of complaining about it?

There is more than enough tritanium in the game. Ore is not a finite resource in EVE

There is more than enough tritanium in the game. Ore is not a finite resource in EVE, thus there is no limit to the amount of tritanium that is available, aside from the number of players who are attempting to harvest it. As ship prices increases, based on increasing costs of the resources required to make them, more pilots will attempt to cash in on those higher prices. This in turn increases the supply and drives down costs.

The increased costs of ships at the moment suits me just fine. I think the recent changes in the mineral markets is GOOD for the game. If anything, I'd like to see minerals increase a bit more in value (and thus every other manufactured item). So dropping nearly 10 billion on a jump freighter (double the price of a few months ago) because of OTEC is a bit aggravating, but hell, more power to OTEC for wrapping up the tech market!

just quick question not aimed to be hostile but how many hours a day do u get to play eve and secondly when a system is mined of veld there wlll be no more until DT including in high sec .

the more casual eve player who does not have a lot of time to make isk are struggling .

WeeeellGǪ there's a limit to how much will spawn on a single day, but we're nowhere near that limit in terms of how much is being collected so the effect is much the same.

Actually the limit is a moving target, as you can spawn Veld with many missions. So even as pilot levels increase, so does the total amount available in the game.

Mission spawns are safer these days anyway.

secondly when a system is mined of veld there wlll be no more until DT including in high sec .

the more casual eve player who does not have a lot of time to make isk are struggling .

Actually the limit is a moving target, as you can spawn Veld with many missions. So even as pilot levels increase, so does the total amount available in the game.

The Veldspar asteroids in null are the size of the station you dock at in high-sec. Make a friend, join an alliance, be part of the revolution!

GǪwhich is why you move one system over and mine there instead.

They're struggling because they can't be arsed to solve their own GÇ£problemGÇ¥.

There's plenty of trit GÇö they just have to be a bit competitive about it and either get it early or find a source that the competitors haven't found yet. This is such a simple and easily available solution that GÇ£casualGÇ¥ doesn't qualify as an excuse.

[quote=Savage Angel]Actually the limit is a moving target, as you can spawn Veld with many missions. So even as pilot levels increase, so does the total amount available in the game.

Fair enough, but that addition is pretty minute compared to the belts and it doesn't scale 1:1 since you still have to complete the mission to get a chance of being given a new belt, and since it just that: a chance GÇö you can't control which missions you get and only some will have any ore in them.[/quot

the only way to solve the problem is play eve more but they do not have the time . even ratting takes time

ship prices have gone up by about 45% which means a casual player need to play eve about 45% more not possible if they have jobs kids etc sure they can be the ones flying small frigs all the time so there will always be a part for them in the game but like i have said there is no major wars going on at the moment when there is u will see what I am talking about .

Fair enough, but that addition is pretty minute compared to the belts and it doesn't scale 1:1 since you still have to complete the mission to get a chance of being given a new belt, and since it just that: a chance GÇö you can't control which missions you get and only some will have any ore in them.

And they have roids in them that are larger than anything you will ever see in your time in this game. Just one of them yield enough to build several ships.

the only way to solve the problem is play eve more but they do not have the time

ship prices have gone up by about 45% which means a casual player need to play eve about 45% more not possible if they have jobs kids etc

Fair enough, but that addition is pretty minute compared to the belts and it doesn't scale 1:1 since you still have to complete the mission to get a chance of being given a new belt, and since it just that: a chance GÇö you can't control which missions you get and only some will have any ore in them.[/quot

the only way to solve the problem is play eve more but they do not have the time . even ratting takes time

ship prices have gone up by about 45% which means a casual player need to play eve about 45% more not possible if they have jobs kids etc sure they can be the ones flying small frigs all the time so there will always be a part for them in the game but like i have said there is no major wars going on at the moment when there is u will see what I am talking about .

Ok CCp i hope u have a back up plan because wait for it have you not seen the price of ships recently . I have no problem with your idea of removing drone poo from the game but I am afraid there is just not enough trit in the game to keep up with the amount of ships that are exploding . There is a lot more players blowing more **** up than there was a few years ago and the miners tat are trying to keep up with the trit demand are not able to .

Point is, the minerals are there. Go get them.

ok my point is a single pilot can mine all the veld in a system all day so there is no more left only to find once it is refined they only have enough if they are lucky to maybe build 1 BS maybe 2 in a system with a lot of belts fo the guys who do not mine u would not realise this . now before u say do not mine then i do almost everything in the game for they guy who has said that ship prices have fell in the last few weeks there is not much 0.0 conflict going on like there was a few moths back just wait until it all kicks of then and then watch the prices.

There is more than enough tritanium in the game. Ore is not a finite resource in EVE, thus there is no limit to the amount of tritanium that is available, aside from the number of players who are attempting to harvest it. As ship prices increases, based on increasing costs of the resources required to make them, more pilots will attempt to cash in on those higher prices. This in turn increases the supply and drives down costs.

The increased costs of ships at the moment suits me just fine. I think the recent changes in the mineral markets is GOOD for the game. If anything, I'd like to see minerals increase a bit more in value (and thus every other manufactured item). So dropping nearly 10 billion on a jump freighter (double the price of a few months ago) because of OTEC is a bit aggravating, but hell, more power to OTEC for wrapping up the tech market!

I have to actually consider what it cost me in minerals to make a ship, you don't, and I see enough stuff priced at below mineral cost to either know that I'm being pushed out by someone that mined or is to stupid to do elementary math.

........ the more casual player who does not have much time to play eve is struggling to rat enough isk to be able to loose a couple of BS a week . ......

all mmo generally grow but look at the activity .

I'd like to add something else.

The biggest detriment to the market are the morons that can't do simple math. It's frustrating constantly being undercut by a wide margin, only to see that they're pricing goods a loss on my end, even after I've researched the hell out of the BPO.

People who mine all the minerals they need to manufacture an item have the most controll over the market, and pure manufacturers can not in any way compete with them. I have to actually consider what it cost me in minerals to make a ship, you don't, and I see enough stuff priced at below mineral cost to either know that I'm being pushed out by someone that mined or is to stupid to do elementary math.

Did I mention that Veldspar rocks in null are bigger than high-sec stations?

They're struggling because they can't be arsed to solve their own GÇ£problemGÇ¥.

The miner has to make the same consideration. That last sentence should read GÇ£someone that mined and is to stupid to do elementary mathGÇ¥.

Once the mining ship is paid for in the minarls it mines, all minerals mined after become pure profit. At this point the only thing someone that mines all of their minerals has to pay attention to is the cost of the job installation.

that doesn't mean that a miner/ manufacturer who didn't have to buy any minerals still doesn't make a profit off manufactured goods that are sold for under minearl profit

It's a valid method of driving competition from a system.

WeeeellGǪ there's a limit to how much will spawn on a single day, but we're nowhere near that limit in terms of how much is being collected so the effect is much the same.