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Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 62	Posted - 2012.06.06 18:50:00 - [1] - Quote So instead of discussing subjective theory, let me express a scenario - as close to factual as possible. I am an industrialist in game - I want to make money by making stuff and selling stuff. The "sandbox" allows this. To perform this I must have a way of making stuff and also making a profit so I can pay for plexes for my characters and purchase components to make into stuff. My preferred method of making stuff is by erecting a POS - a large one, a Minnie POS. I need to sell my stuff to the masses and the most cost effective location is Jita - so where is the best place to erect my POS? IN NULL_SEC OF COURSE. Sadly not oh gentle reader - because it would not be profitable - and the cost of PLEXes is high so I must maximize my profits. So I put up my POS in hi-sec - fairly close to this major hub. Now I need fuel to maintain this method of gameplay - where do I go to get this? IN NULL_SEC OF COURSE. Again - we are not on the same page - I need to get the ice in hi-sec because it is cost effective and I prefer to do it alone as I cannot afford to share it. So - a Metropolis ice bearing system gets the attention of my ice-miner. And I get ganked .... Because the situation has been created that means several variables (hi-sec, POS structures, fuel requirements, location of Jita, type of gameplay) I have no choice about where I go to optimize my profits. So for the casual player, the one that does not like large groups or never feels the need to be hampered by sitting in or creating a supercap or station - why do I need null-sec? And why do I need to be ganked? In short ,YOU have created my dependency and now you want to punish me for it? That is griefing... I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 62	Posted - 2012.06.06 18:56:00 - [2] - Quote Wrong - CCP made the game YOU forced me to play this way so YOU are to blame I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 63	Posted - 2012.06.07 00:09:00 - [3] - Quote I want to reply to this generally as there are some that have read one thing and think that meant something completely different. When CCP made the game, as they have expressed on a number of occasions, it is a sandbox - ANYONE could have done and was allowed to do anything to shape the existence of the interaction. They made a HI-sec, lo-sec and null and said use them as you wish.. We formed Jita as a sales hub specifically 4.4 NOT CCP. We carted stuff there to sell there - not CCP. Null sec does NOT have these hubs because we have not made them - consequently we made the situation. We then decided that we would use the areas as we do so we are to blame for how things have turned out. I only gave the POS example as a factual scenario and expected you to look at the entire picture. I then applied an unpleasant interaction (ganking) and asked, within the state of the environment we created, why are you doing this. There are a few that will realise this - the majority won't. Eve - you live up to my expectation I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 63	Posted - 2012.06.07 00:22:00 - [4] - Quote What conclusion did I arrive at - I was only aware of asking questions I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 66	Posted - 2012.06.07 10:04:00 - [5] - Quote Rico - your're a sweetie, taking up a collection for me and other "afflicted". Just transfer all of it to me and I will see that those that need it will get it. Ptraci - let me address your issues directly I address the griefing issues surrounding the likes of hulkageddon - where it seems that because I play a certain way, I have restriction placed on how I do things - and I was also bringing into the dialogue how I did not create the situation. Profit and loss feature in my gameplay to the extent that I more or less rely on it to sub my characters. I prefer to control my own destiny within the game rather than be part of a crowd and to log on and off when it doesn't impact essential operations or other people. I have experienced the joys of a null-sec corp and the truth is you need to be a group if you do anything industrial in null, solely because of the constant interruption from others wanting to kill you or camp your system. But having much better stuff means what? I still have to collect it, then I still have to sell it to get isk and where do I do that? Jita. Chances are that in the run to Jita my JF will get ganked and that is the end of 10-15bils worth of toil and ship. I am a casual player - Eve does not cater for the casual player and I am not laying that at the feet of CCP - but the other players as you created the way it is. Take responsibility!!! I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 66	Posted - 2012.06.07 10:39:00 - [6] - Quote NO lexmana - other players CREATED the situation in the sandbox and I am dealing with it - just let me get on with it without ganking me!! I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 67	Posted - 2012.06.07 15:28:00 - [7] - Quote You lot are strange From Strangelove putting a 5mil bounty on my head (thanks sweetie) to weird comments like " What you talk about have nothing to do with greifing. But all to do with market balance. If no hulks where blown up in eve then mineral prices would go down and in the end your profit would be the same." I am wondering whether you read the same post I wrote!!! but carry on ... sigh I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 67	Posted - 2012.06.07 15:37:00 - [8] - Quote And if I learn Eve the way that you learnt Eve would I also bow and scrape to my Goon overlords like you do ... Grow a pair I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 67	Posted - 2012.06.07 15:58:00 - [9] - Quote highonpop wrote: Anyone who lets the actions of another control their actions without their consent is a weak minded individual. As it seems FA are - so you are speaking from experience there I see. Thank you for the most useless advice given in this thread - please do not post again I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

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