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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
314
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:20:00 -
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But the real question is: How long with the console jockeys have to wait to fly spaceships in dust? http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Khoda Khan
Zantiu-Braun Corporation Zantiu-Braun Alliance
33
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:25:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Are you really saying video games don't need graphics to be fun? seriously?
Some of the very best games have the worst (or no) graphics. There was a time when a game's plot or content actually meant something. Today, appearances are the first and biggest concern of any game studio, and actual content is secondary. There are so many games out there that LOOK great but have the most glaringly poor gameplay.
Step by step guide to making a bestseller.
1) Great graphics. 2) Lots of Hype. 3) Profit.
Zork and MajorMUD (very early multiplayer game) and a ton of other text only games from the mid 80s to early 90s are more interesting that most of the crap that hits the market these days.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:27:00 -
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Khoda Khan wrote:DUST is not EVE.
Walking in Stations is contrary to EVE lore.
Walking in Stations has nothing to do with EVE.
Walking in Stations is a complete waste of time.
If you want to "roleplay" in EVE, then actually play your "role" as a pod pilot. If you were an immortal being would you actually do something silly that removed your immortal status, even temporarily? Like, say, leaving your pod? You think you're going to hang out with your immortal buddies and play table top games? In a universe where violence is quick and sudden (and quite permanent for a pod pilot outside his pod... no waking up in the clone vat... dead is DEAD). You are a god, act like one instead of a commoner who wants to play tabletop games in his CQ with buddies.
Also, just for clarification... Walking in Stations is contrary to EVE lore.
Here's your problem OP.
People who are afraid of change and seem to think that thier vision of EVE is the correct vision of EVE.
CCP had a vision of EVE that went beyond just FiS and for some reason, instead of HTFU they backed off to people who demanded that EVE never evolve beyond anything other then just FiS, even though it would greatly benefit the game.
Every time I see people talking about sandboxes I see the same thing. EVE is the best sandbox on the market, but I dont' want to be a spaceship. Instead it feels like people like the guy I quoted have won out and convinced CCP that the magority of players don't want EVE to be anything more then it already is.
At the same time I don't want what you asked for either. I want WiS, not some cut down, feature lite ability to wallk around and not do anything but play a single game.
I want to own space outside of CQ. I want to run a bar. I want to run a night club. I want to run a gambling hall. I want to hack the station of another corp for valuable information. I want to sell sell drugs. I want to shoot another player in the back while he's watching an exotic dancer becaue I'm at war with his corp. I want to get missions from shady individuals or pirate corp contacts on the station, face to face. I want to board a Gallente station and set of a bomb in faction warfare. I want to smuggle things on the station. I want to be able to live my entire life on a station, not as a pod pilot. I want to pay another player to shuttle me to another station because I'm not a pod pilot and can't actually fly a ship myself. I want to start a taxi service flying players between stations because they're not a pod pilot and can't fly any ships.
I want EVE to evolve beyond FiS and become the sandbox MMO that no other company can ever compare to. I want to fire up the launcher and see 100k players online at once, and that's not likely to happen if EVE never evolves beyond FiS.
Stick to YOUR vision CCP, and not the vision of a group of people who can't see outside of the box, let alone beyond their own narrow little world. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
239
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:29:00 -
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NDA breach.
Just saying.... 'twas the night before Jitageddon and all through 4-4. Not a freighter was undocked, not even the transports. Outside the undock was Goonswarm, floating with care. |
Foder Enaka
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:32:00 -
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Are we really still talking about space barbies a year later? If this stuff really means that much to you there is a game called Second Life you can give a try. Dress up your avatar up in fancy costumes and have someone spank you ass when your bad. No one cares about space barbies unless you can shoot people in the stations then it would make war docs cool. |
Dalmont Delantee
The Black Legionnares SpaceMonkey's Alliance
28
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:34:00 -
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1) WiS needs a lot of work that we _all_ protested about to stop so they could fix FiS 2) DUST graphics engine and back code is _not_ EVE graphics engine and back code - One of the reasons we are getting lots of UI updates is not only to fix crap back also to allow easier merging of FiS with WiS (my view not blogged or anything) 3) WiS will take up more Resource we've only just taken back from the other projects, we'll get proper WiS once WoD is closer to completion (again my reading between the lines)
(Don't know the abreviations read some past posts - theres a search function now)
Overall, WiS is a nice to have not an essential, now go mine me some minerals biatch :P |
Rakan Stenier-Tian
Gladiators Vanguard New Eden Arena
2
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:34:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:NDA breach.
Just saying....
It's not part of the NDA ... it's promoted as part of E3. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
780
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:36:00 -
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Dalmont Delantee wrote:1) WiS needs a lot of work that we _all_ protested about to stop so they could fix FiS 2) DUST graphics engine and back code is _not_ EVE graphics engine and back code - One of the reasons we are getting lots of UI updates is not only to fix crap back also to allow easier merging of FiS with WiS (my view not blogged or anything) 3) WiS will take up more Resource we've only just taken back from the other projects, we'll get proper WiS once WoD is closer to completion (again my reading between the lines)
(Don't know the abreviations read some past posts - theres a search function now)
Overall, WiS is a nice to have not an essential, now go mine me some minerals biatch :P
but none of what you said is something CCP said. it's all player rumors.
I'm happy they put off WiS, you don;t understand, I just want to hear CCPs TEN YEAR PLAN
Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:42:00 -
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Foder Enaka wrote:Are we really still talking about space barbies a year later? If this stuff really means that much to you there is a game called Second Life you can give a try. Dress up your avatar up in fancy costumes and have someone spank you ass when your bad. No one cares about space barbies unless you can shoot people in the stations then it would make war docs cool.
You're so right. When CCP showed a video of what they envisioned of EVE it only had ships in space and not a guy shooting another guy in the back in a station.
er...
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Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
289
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:46:00 -
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nice to see people still using that out dated pod tec i mean,
dust mercs get a implant in there head that copy's there brain on death, if a dust guy can afford that then pod guys must of had it first.
there for i can get out of my pod walk to the nearest none immortal bar walk in blow my head off and wake up in a new clone.
and go lolololololololololololol because i just scared thos people for the rest of there lives. I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2022
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:52:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:nice to see people still using that out dated pod tec i mean,
dust mercs get a implant in there head that copy's there brain on death, if a dust guy can afford that then pod guys must of had it first.
there for i can get out of my pod walk to the nearest none immortal bar walk in blow my head off and wake up in a new clone.
and go lolololololololololololol because i just scared thos people for the rest of there lives.
Indeed.
Some people apparently don't understand that game lore is updated all the time, and tech has been introduced to it that would make life outside the pod just as safe for us demi gods and being cooped up in our pods all the time.
Perhaps they didn't get the memo... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Kalea Hashur
Promethium Corp. Army of Dark Shadows
3
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:55:00 -
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Dust is a first person shooter. A game whose entire genre requires walking around by definition. See how that works?
Oh my GOD! That racing game has CARS!
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
365
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:56:00 -
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ok i get it eve was going to be ftp hence wis but then we all emoed about wis so they scrapped wis... now they use it for dust... poor us i would have liked to play eve for free... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
781
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Posted - 2012.06.06 20:58:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:ok i get it eve was going to be ftp hence wis but then we all emoed about wis so they scrapped wis... now they use it for dust... poor us i would have liked to play eve for free...
seeing as dust will come to PC at some point, and both EVE and dust are going to share WiS 100%. You will be able to play eve for free. You will just have to pay to undock into space. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |
Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:06:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Here's your problem OP.
People who are afraid of change and seem to think that thier vision of EVE is the correct vision of EVE.
CCP had a vision of EVE that went beyond just FiS and for some reason, instead of HTFU they backed off to people who demanded that EVE never evolve beyond anything other then just FiS, even though it would greatly benefit the game.
Every time I see people talking about sandboxes I see the same thing. EVE is the best sandbox on the market, but I dont' want to be a spaceship. Instead it feels like people like the guy I quoted have won out and convinced CCP that the magority of players don't want EVE to be anything more then it already is.
At the same time I don't want what you asked for either. I want WiS, not some cut down, feature lite ability to wallk around and not do anything but play a single game.
I want to own space outside of CQ. I want to run a bar. I want to run a night club. I want to run a gambling hall. I want to hack the station of another corp for valuable information. I want to sell sell drugs. I want to shoot another player in the back while he's watching an exotic dancer becaue I'm at war with his corp. I want to get missions from shady individuals or pirate corp contacts on the station, face to face. I want to board a Gallente station and set of a bomb in faction warfare. I want to smuggle things on the station. I want to be able to live my entire life on a station, not as a pod pilot. I want to pay another player to shuttle me to another station because I'm not a pod pilot and can't actually fly a ship myself. I want to start a taxi service flying players between stations because they're not a pod pilot and can't fly any ships.
I want EVE to evolve beyond FiS and become the sandbox MMO that no other company can ever compare to. I want to fire up the launcher and see 100k players online at once, and that's not likely to happen if EVE never evolves beyond FiS.
Stick to YOUR vision CCP, and not the vision of a group of people who can't see outside of the box, let alone beyond their own narrow little world.
Wow......I'm surprised to read this words coming from a Goon Follower i'm bowing my head to you Mister, this is one of the very few impressive posts coming from your ally and Corp i ever read. ( and i mean this wholeheartly without sarcasmn i'm really impressed)
kudos for at least one from the Goons really got a grip what CCP really wants to have out from their game making it the greatest and Completest SciFI Simulation on market ever.
Sincerly
Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nephew from the Serpentis founder ) |
0ccupy 4-4
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:17:00 -
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All hope for WiS is gone.
My first character I made over 5 years ago, WiS (ambulation) was talked about non-stop in rookie chat and even help. Soon, they said. I planned all my characters with it in mind. CCP has shown one thing and they don't even try to hide it anymore, they aren't trustworthy and they aren't accountable. If you believe Soundwaffe of Hellmar of all people are going to do something great for EVE you are brain damaged.
It's funny seeing the new players come and go who say "EVE is about Spaceships" well EVE has been talking about ambulation and WiS throughout it's entire exsistance and for over half of that supposed plans were in place to have it. But I guess the joke is on anyone who trusted CCP at one point. |
Selinate
947
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Nah. Dust has about as much walking as EVE does. Most of Dust is running around with your hair on fire. Speed-tanking ftw.
The vast majority of Dust's complete features are unknown to pretty much all Eve players right now, so it's a bit too soon to say this... |
Acot Voth
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:19:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:We have SPACESHIPS. Why in all of New Eden do you want to walk?
Because the simple minded FPS folk will be easy to take money from via gambling and other interactions. |
Acot Voth
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:22:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Khoda Khan wrote:DUST is not EVE.
Walking in Stations is contrary to EVE lore.
Walking in Stations has nothing to do with EVE.
Walking in Stations is a complete waste of time.
If you want to "roleplay" in EVE, then actually play your "role" as a pod pilot. If you were an immortal being would you actually do something silly that removed your immortal status, even temporarily? Like, say, leaving your pod? You think you're going to hang out with your immortal buddies and play table top games? In a universe where violence is quick and sudden (and quite permanent for a pod pilot outside his pod... no waking up in the clone vat... dead is DEAD). You are a god, act like one instead of a commoner who wants to play tabletop games in his CQ with buddies.
Also, just for clarification... Walking in Stations is contrary to EVE lore. Here's your problem OP. People who are afraid of change and seem to think that thier vision of EVE is the correct vision of EVE. CCP had a vision of EVE that went beyond just FiS and for some reason, instead of HTFU they backed off to people who demanded that EVE never evolve beyond anything other then just FiS, even though it would greatly benefit the game. Every time I see people talking about sandboxes I see the same thing. EVE is the best sandbox on the market, but I dont' want to be a spaceship. Instead it feels like people like the guy I quoted have won out and convinced CCP that the magority of players don't want EVE to be anything more then it already is. At the same time I don't want what you asked for either. I want WiS, not some cut down, feature lite ability to wallk around and not do anything but play a single game. I want to own space outside of CQ. I want to run a bar. I want to run a night club. I want to run a gambling hall. I want to hack the station of another corp for valuable information. I want to sell sell drugs. I want to shoot another player in the back while he's watching an exotic dancer becaue I'm at war with his corp. I want to get missions from shady individuals or pirate corp contacts on the station, face to face. I want to board a Gallente station and set of a bomb in faction warfare. I want to smuggle things on the station. I want to be able to live my entire life on a station, not as a pod pilot. I want to pay another player to shuttle me to another station because I'm not a pod pilot and can't actually fly a ship myself. I want to start a taxi service flying players between stations because they're not a pod pilot and can't fly any ships. I want EVE to evolve beyond FiS and become the sandbox MMO that no other company can ever compare to. I want to fire up the launcher and see 100k players online at once, and that's not likely to happen if EVE never evolves beyond FiS. Stick to YOUR vision CCP, and not the vision of a group of people who can't see outside of the box, let alone beyond their own narrow little world.
Almost brings a tear to my eye, well said sir, well said. |
Svarek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:23:00 -
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That post is good post. Grandpa Bill: "I remember my uncle Joe who used to go mining, back then it was easy to get black lung, but we called it coughing lung because we really didnt care what color it was, the coughing seemed like it should be in the title since he did so much of it." |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
0
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:49:00 -
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Several sentences were removed for NDA violations. In the future, please use https://forums.dust514.com/ to discuss Dust.
ISD Tyrozan Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
449
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:07:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:so you'd be ok with In space combat without a graphical representation of spaceships and space? Because trust me me and my friends can role play a space ship Pen and paper game without playing eve. Eve could be a text based games with just the overview and the solar system map.
Are you really saying video games don't need graphics to be fun? seriously?
ok next time you feel like playing eve just sit in bed, close your eyes, and use your imagination!
If you are so unimaginative that you can't roleplay without 3D graphics of your space ship in spce with others, maybe roleplay isn't the pastime for you.
2/10
1) PVP isn't roleplay (though its possible, but by no means necessary, to do both at once).
2) In case you hadn't noticed, the default setting for PVP is to zoom your camera out as far as it goes to maximise your situational awareness and to turn off the bulk of the graphical effects, so typically the visual experience of Eve is little more than some different coloured brackets clustered on a dark background with an excel spreadsheet overview to provide and filter critical information.
You may have been more successful with that line of argument in any game other than this one. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
781
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:10:00 -
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Excuse me but can I please get this moved up to someone higher than you, nothing in my post was under NDA. The E3 Dust space is 100% open to the public. It has a muli-player game named Slay. Is does not need a beta key to play, or access.
It is a 100% out of beta released feature in Playstation home and I respectably ask you to return my post to it's original content. The PSN forums are talking about this stuff and they aren't getting censored.
Are you saying we can't discuss information released at E3 publicly? did I sign an NDA to watch E3? Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
781
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:24:00 -
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Guess I'll break the NDA some more. If you watch the videos in Home on dust, and you win a game of slay you'll get a beta key. So my post is so outside an NDA breach it's almost hilarious. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |
Citrute
Quiet.Storm
103
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:55:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:-----Edit------NDA Violation-----|ISD Tyrozan
-----Edit-----Sentence removed as NDA violation.
Except thats wrong, the homespace on the ps3 is not part of the NDA. We can talk about slay and everything we saw in the mini 'walking in stations'.
Besides, it wasnt ccp's walking in stations anyways. It was eve assets ported into sony's homespace thing. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
61
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:28:00 -
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You want WiS? I have solution for you: unsubscribe EVE account(s), purchase Sony console (if you don't have one) for the money saved from next year EVE subscription, play F2P Dust.
No WiS in EVE for you for a couple more years at least. And it's sad. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
487
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:51:00 -
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PSN Home The Event Horizon Lounge is not part of the Dust NDA. Its a public space any can enter.
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EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:54:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:CCP, this is getting silly. I recently jumped into the new-----Edit------NDA Violation-----|ISD Tyrozan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18AThis **** was finished 3 years ago. Can't you just give us a small room that us Roleplay people can just sit in, maybe 5 players max, and play it? I mean hell even just stick Slay into CQ and let us join other players in their CQ. I don't care anymore. It's been 3 years waiting for you to come out with WiS. The work is done isn't it? And I'm not mad or anything, just... confused. CCP has never really laid down what happen. How we went from a fully working demo, which i got the chance to play at fanfest 3 years ago, to the worst expansion of all time. -----Edit-----Sentence removed as NDA violation.
Whatever, point is, can't you guys at CCP throw us a bone? Give us a little update on what happen in the last 3 years? Why it released so puny, why you can't get two people in the same room? What the plan is moving forward? Fanfest had nothing to say about WiS. I think the 1st dev blog about WiS was 5 years ago. I love eve, and I do enjoy getting into it once in a while. But waiting for WiS has always got me logging off. I know that sounds crazy, but I played it at fanfest and the potenal was staggering. All i ask for is a break down of what happen, and where we go from here. It just.. feel like all of the work for WiS must allready be done and your just sitting on it. Which is fine but I'd like to hear why it's not out yet from CCP, and not from countless rumors on the forums. Was it really that you held it all back to release NeX? if so that feature is the devil.
BUSTED
Nice... NDA violation... great way to lose yer account lol
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7733
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:06:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:BUSTED
Nice... NDA violation... great way to lose yer account lol Too bad nothing of what he said was covered by the NDA.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
731
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:09:00 -
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So Dust players get what we should have gotten with Incarna? Figures. |
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