Stealing (from carebear bins) puts the pilot at risk since he can be freely shot at. I think that is a harsh enough punishment for daring to try and clean up after you wasteful lot.

Stealing (from carebear bins) puts the pilot at risk since he can be freely shot at. I think that is a harsh enough punishment for daring to try and clean up after you wasteful lot.

Congrats on blobbing a shitfit.

I propose a simple solution to the problem of griefing of noobs in high-sec space.
As things stand the griefer incurs no penalty for stealing jetisoned ores or salvaging other peoples' mission killed ships. They only thing stopping them is the threat of the stolen propeties owner attacking them. Since that's what they are hoping for, it's not much of a deterent. Why is this bad? See the post 'why griefing is bad for all of us'. How do we fix it? Easily.
Make the theft of someone else's property an act which lowers your security status. Make the penalty dependent on the sec status of the player doing the stealing, the sec status of player being stolen from, and the sec status of the system where the theft occured, with an increase of penalties for each additional theft from the same player by the same stealing player.
How does this game out in different situations?

Basic theft=.01 loss in sec status
Stealing low sec player multiplies loss by a number based on his current sec status Lower the number, higher the multiplier
High sec victim multiplies loss by a number based on his sec status. Higher the number, higher the multiplier
Location multipies the number based on system sec status. Higher the number, higher the multiplier
Multiple thefts multipies the number based on a to be determined scale (+50% each time? +75% each time? Double the previous each time?)
So, some examples.

Low-sec thief steals from high-sec player in high sec system. First time he take a small to medium status hit because all mutipliers are high, second theft from same player he takes a worse one (in addition to the one he already got for the first theft), third theft he takes an even worse one (in addition to the first two) Etc. etc. ad infinitum. Practical effect? If he does this on a regular basis he runs his sec status down so low that Concord shows up and shoots him down, no matter how fancy a tech 3 ship he's got, thus costing him so much cash that the joy of griefing noobs goes way down. If he runs a inexpensive ship to avoid the cost of losses to Concord the noobs at least have a chance of fighting back.

Low-sec thief steals from low-sec player in low-sec system. The thief takes almost no penalty, because all multipliers are low, and the same game dynamic as exists today applies, ie: defend it or loose it.

So, how does this affect griefing of noobs as it happens now? If the penalty for the first theft from each player is set low enough, but multiplies fast enough (doubling each time for example) the griefing players can still rob each player once or twice and get their jollies tormenting the little guys, but eventually get low enough sec-status, even picking on each guy once or twice, that they get run out of high-sec space, thus leaving a safe zone for new players and those who just want to PvE. If they insist on getting their jollies beating up little guys they have to do it (for purely economic reasons-replacing the ships that concord destroys) in small (read low tech, cheap) ships thus giving the noob at least some hope of fighting back. Or do it with alts that have low enough trained skills that it gives the noob at least some chance to fight back.

How does this affect the run of PvP in low sec space? Basically not at all. They take almost no penalty and are already in low sec to PvP in the first place and don't expect the benefits of high-sec status.

How does this affect the noobs and PvE'ers? They have a safe zone where they can build their cash and trained skills with some assurance of being able to advance in the game, knowing that if some troll comes to grief them they are going to loose a small number of salvage ships, not ALL of them, time after time. Thus they have incentive to keep playing, knowing that someday they too can aspire to being a shark in the pond.

How does this effect free-will PvP? For anyone in a declared war or with kill-rights for some reason the penalties go away completely.

Thus the only people harmed by this are bullies who like to beat up little kids/the helpless.

I propose a simple solution to the problem of griefing of noobs in high-sec space.
As things stand the griefer incurs no penalty for stealing jetisoned ores or salvaging other peoples' mission killed ships. They only thing stopping them is the threat of the stolen propeties owner attacking them.

Why u no update your blog? :(

I am in a playfull mood. This is the mail I send to their CEO...

Greetings Minor,

As the CEO, I Hope this mail finds you well.

Due to recent events with regards to one of your members I will be persuing a constant and everlasting war agaist your corporation, or I will end it as I see fit.

As with most things due to the grievous insult that flooded my senses from the offending member I consider this act to be just and righteous.

The war will commence once I have concluded my current paid war duties.

Kane

I am in a playfull mood. This is the mail I send to their CEO...

Greetings Minor,

As the CEO, I Hope this mail finds you well.

Due to recent events with regards to one of your members I will be persuing a constant and everlasting war agaist your corporation, or I will end it as I see fit.

As with most things due to the grievous insult that flooded my senses from the offending member I consider this act to be just and righteous.

The war will commence once I have concluded my current paid war duties.

Kane

Dude, you're ganking children now? Not cool man.

Hey...

They are older ingame than I am.

Well, Lord of the Flies is cools.

As you were.

Would be nice if the theif became flagged to everyone in the system rather than just the noob and his corp. That might even things up a bit and encourage alot more high sec pvp.

Four core stabs?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6604850

Challenge accepted.

I
As things stand the griefer.........salvaging other peoples' mission killed ships.

I read a Eve post on Reddit yesterday about a totally newbie that got scanned down doing a mission in a .4 system. He was swiftly vaped and ransomed.

He didn't know it was possible to be scanned down at a mission site.
He didn't know people would try and ransom his pod
He didn't know anything about combat and lost the battle before it even began.

At the end of his post... he proclaimed EVE as being the coolest game he has ever played because of this.

Last night I was holding for locates on war targets and decided to do a little can flipping to see if anyone was dumb enough to shoot at a red Proteus. I figure you deserve what you get if you try that.

One miner warped out of the belt as soon as I flipped his can. His posts in local went something like this:

Him: Whee!
Me: Umm....bye?
Him: Thanks for the adrenaline rush!
Me: You're welcome I guess. But...why'd you run?

*private convo*

Him: I've been ganked three times, I saw red and hit warp. Run first, look later.
Me: Fair enough. It's a better reflex than gawking in confusion or putting drones on me.

We talked for a bit, he was quite chill about being ganked repeatedly. I gave him some hints on aggro mechanics, talked fittings a bit, and generally had a pleasant conversation with a noob miner in a retriever. I was quite impressed with his attitude. Hopefully he'll stick around and branch out from mining. I suspect that a year from now he'll be around, still not giving a f*** and having a good time however it suits him. He might be a noob miner, but that guy *gets* Eve in a way some people never do.

I always find it odd that no one says that the suicide ganker is a few week old alt in a NPC corp that is a throw away asset?

And how pretty much using it in this way is completely circumventing the sec status mechanic...

"Oh look I got kill rights on a 2 week old pilot but can't blat the tit next to him ready to salvage and loot his targets", yep that makes sense -¼.-¼

Recycling alts with low sec status will get you banned pretty quick.

My point is that there is no way to retaliate against the actual aggressor. Just a puppet shield they use.

I propose a simple solution to the problem of griefing of noobs in high-sec space.....

2) It would get tons of alt haulers killed (miners don't actually have a reason to be in a corp atm)

Stealing (from carebear bins) puts the pilot at risk since he can be freely shot at. I think that is a harsh enough punishment for daring to try and clean up after you wasteful lot.

Stealing (from carebear bins) puts the pilot at risk since he can be freely shot at. I think that is a harsh enough punishment for daring to try and clean up after you wasteful lot.

Why should stealing from a trashcan be a Crime? Surely if you valued the stuff, you wouldn't have jettisoned it into space, right?