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Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:34:00 - [1] Okay so where to begin... I've had my computer for ages. You know, that slow thing I refer to every now and again. It's just a simple AMD Athlon Barton core 2600+ with 2 gigs of DDR1 ram running on an A7N8X motherboard with a GeForce 6800 GTX, my Audigy 1 Platinum with a full set of 3 foot 5-way speakers, a couple 7200 RPM hard drives, a solid Gateway keyboard that I've had for years and my new MX Revolution mouse which I use to talk to my friends on Ventrilo from across the room. Right. 4:30 PM, my computer shut off for no reason. Couldn't restart it. Swapped my AGP 6800 out for an old Radeon 9800 Pro and it worked. Got frustrated, swapped out the power supply for an older one and it didn't work. 6:30 PM, got more frustrated. Went to the Best Buy (yuck, but it was close) and got a $50 power supply. Got home and put it in, no fix. 7:30 PM, called my best friend. He said he had an ASRock dual PCI-E/AGP motherboard that supports my DDR1 ram and all my peripherals. Went back to Best Buy, got upset at the return line and left for Fry's Electronics with only an hour before they close. Stood at Fry's looking at CPUs. Celerons? Yuck. Intel Quad Core? Too pricey. Wait, what's this? Pentium E6300 Dual Core for $85? How many you got? Five? Sold. Left the store to go pick up the mobo at my friend's place. 9:40 PM, put my new cpu together, wouldn't boot and got sad. So I reinstalled Windows. 1:00 AM, logged into Eve. 60 FPS. I was so excited I woke up the neighbors. 1:05 AM I came. Continually. I just can't believe it. Here is a short list of approximations of what my Eve playing experience was like (old/new) Login (desktop to ingame): 60 seconds / 20 seconds Framerate docked: 20 FPS / 45 FPS Framerate in normal space: 18 FPS / 60 FPS Framerate in a nebula: 2 FPS / 50 FPS Time to resolve a jump: 10 seconds / 2 seconds Time to enter station during dock: 5 seconds / 1 second Time to undock: 10-30 seconds / 5 seconds Literally, this blows the doors off anything I have ever experienced. Liquid Eve is now a reality for me. I don't believe I've ever spent a better amount of money on a computer upgrade. I'm absolutely blown away. My Eve experience just got way better. TO ANYONE who is looking to upgrade their computer from old school to new -- I HIGHLY recommend this processor. The Pentium E6300 Dual Core processor is highly praised and once I got home and read all the rave reviews about it and hearing you can safely overclock it with stock cooling from 2.8 to 3.5 GHz, EVERYONE should buy this CPU who is looking for a bargain upgrade! It's just fantastic!!! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Shirley Serious Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:47:00 - [2] \o/ i guess? maybe this means your ships will stay alive better? Yes. Yes, I am.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.09.24 12:56:00 - [3] Maybe having a PC specced for use this decade would have been a better investment than all those GTCs...
hired goon	Posted - 2009.09.24 14:20:00 - [4] If you are so happy when a game runs well, why have you waited so long to upgrade from such a legendary machine? You shouldn't be recommending a particular CPU, more like, you should be recommending upgrading from a stone age machine if the user wants to play games. -omg-
Aaron Mirrorsaver R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.09.24 15:22:00 - [5] it might be a little known fact that eve is more cpu intensive than GPU intensive. people have high end graphics card with lesser cpu get frame rate issues too. and its not a gpu/cpu bottleneck issue as you might be thinking because the same setup plays another game fine (new gpu, older cpu) its just eve is actually more cpu intensive and a good CPU will help you more in those fleet fights. ------ Aaron your one hot man. I love you. Applebabe
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.09.24 16:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver it might be a little known fact that eve is more cpu intensive than GPU intensive. people have high end graphics card with lesser cpu get frame rate issues too. and its not a gpu/cpu bottleneck issue as you might be thinking because the same setup plays another game fine (new gpu, older cpu) its just eve is actually more cpu intensive and a good CPU will help you more in those fleet fights. So whenever I get around to building a desk top I should build it around a nice CPU and go midline for the graphics card. Got Ya. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
Calvin Firenze Minmatar Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.09.24 17:36:00 - [7] I had a similar problem, way back before uh...Trinity came out. It would take me about 2 minutes to load eve and get logged in. I had an old Nvidia FX5200 and 1gig of DDR1 in this dinosaur. I still have my old CPU, a 2.8ghz p4 that I won't be replacing anytime soon. I've since spent a fair amount of cash upgrading to an ATI HD3850 and 4gigs of OCZ platinum. Still AGP and DDR1, but my FPS in space has jumped from an average of about 20-30 to 80-120. The video card is top notch, but scrounging up working drivers was a ***. It stays about 20C cooler than the 7600GT I once had in this machine(that failed a month after the warranty ran out). The stock drivers on the cd don't support 1680x1050, so the supported resolutions looked a bit stretched on a 24" widescreen. The new memory was a vast improvement, but I had to take the heat spreaders off of 2 of the sticks because my DIMM's are stupidly close together. Just adding my 2 isk, if you want a better experience you could also upgrade the video card and memory. Originally by:** Xanos Blackpaw some people need to have the stupid beaten out of them
Tallaran Kouros Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.24 17:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Calvin Firenze Just adding my 2 isk, if you want a better experience you could also upgrade the video card and memory. I suspect it was the 1GB of DDR memory that was the big problem. That's just about enough to run Windows XP to a satisfactory standard. Through a game on top of that and I would expect to see frame rate issues.
rValdez5987 Amarr Imperial Guard.	Posted - 2009.09.24 17:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Okay so where to begin... I've had my computer for ages. You know, that slow thing I refer to every now and again. It's just a simple AMD Athlon Barton core 2600+ with 2 gigs of DDR1 ram running on an A7N8X motherboard with a GeForce 6800 GTX, my Audigy 1 Platinum with a full set of 3 foot 5-way speakers, a couple 7200 RPM hard drives, a solid Gateway keyboard that I've had for years and my new MX Revolution mouse which I use to talk to my friends on Ventrilo from across the room. Right. 4:30 PM, my computer shut off for no reason. Couldn't restart it. Swapped my AGP 6800 out for an old Radeon 9800 Pro and it worked. Got frustrated, swapped out the power supply for an older one and it didn't work. 6:30 PM, got more frustrated. Went to the Best Buy (yuck, but it was close) and got a $50 power supply. Got home and put it in, no fix. 7:30 PM, called my best friend. He said he had an ASRock dual PCI-E/AGP motherboard that supports my DDR1 ram and all my peripherals. Went back to Best Buy, got upset at the return line and left for Fry's Electronics with only an hour before they close. Stood at Fry's looking at CPUs. Celerons? Yuck. Intel Quad Core? Too pricey. Wait, what's this? Pentium E6300 Dual Core for $85? How many you got? Five? Sold. Left the store to go pick up the mobo at my friend's place. 9:40 PM, put my new cpu together, wouldn't boot and got sad. So I reinstalled Windows. 1:00 AM, logged into Eve. 60 FPS. I was so excited I woke up the neighbors. 1:05 AM I came. Continually. I just can't believe it. Here is a short list of approximations of what my Eve playing experience was like (old/new) Login (desktop to ingame): 60 seconds / 20 seconds Framerate docked: 20 FPS / 45 FPS Framerate in normal space: 18 FPS / 60 FPS Framerate in a nebula: 2 FPS / 50 FPS Time to resolve a jump: 10 seconds / 2 seconds Time to enter station during dock: 5 seconds / 1 second Time to undock: 10-30 seconds / 5 seconds Literally, this blows the doors off anything I have ever experienced. Liquid Eve is now a reality for me. I don't believe I've ever spent a better amount of money on a computer upgrade. I'm absolutely blown away. My Eve experience just got way better. TO ANYONE who is looking to upgrade their computer from old school to new -- I HIGHLY recommend this processor. The Pentium E6300 Dual Core processor is highly praised and once I got home and read all the rave reviews about it and hearing you can safely overclock it with stock cooling from 2.8 to 3.5 GHz, EVERYONE should buy this CPU who is looking for a bargain upgrade! It's just fantastic!!! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! >kanye> Hey, I'm happy for you an I'm gonna let you finish, But www.pricewatch.com has the best barebone kits for cheap that you will ever find >kanye> Sometime I will help you setup a machine that will do everything you dreamed of, and It will do it for less than 400 dollars of cost for parts, Including assembly and shipping. You will never go to best buy ever again (except maybe to buy that really shiny new video card when you cant wait for slow one day shipping :shobon: )
Xrak Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.09.24 18:12:00 - [10] ITT guy realises that buying better hardware increases performance.

Jonny Lumi Gallente The Saturnine Cult	Posted - 2009.09.24 20:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros I suspect it was the 1GB of DDR memory that was the big problem. That's just about enough to run Windows XP to a satisfactory standard. Through a game on top of that and I would expect to see frame rate issues. I think people are really making that memory thing a bit too much of an issue. I mean, ofcourse it affects the performance, but not that much after that 1GB... XP is actually pretty lightweight with memory in itself, with 1GB you can do a lot. I even ran my XP laptop with 196MB(!), using audio multitracker + software synths (Cubase SX1 + Reason 3), and it still worked (though only recording one track at time, and playing few). Honestly I didn't even think XP would install at all, but since I didn't have more working memory sticks then, thought I'd just try for fun. Games generally use a lot more memory, but checking Eve now, shows 345MB and 405MB in 2 computers.
Psynaps	Posted - 2009.09.24 20:53:00 - [12] Edited by: Psynaps on 24/09/2009 20:55:14 Edited by: Psynaps on 24/09/2009 20:53:28 2.66HGZ quad core with Hyper threading and with 6GB of tri-channel ddr3 pc2000 ram is also very sexy, I understand your 1:05am line very well Edits, forgot to add HT and tri-channel into line
MaxxOmega Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2009.09.25 01:20:00 - [13] I run EVE on a 286 with no hard drive and DOS 3.2. I get 80 FPS... (Frames Per Sentury)...
Tallaran Kouros Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.25 08:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Jonny Lumi Originally by: Tallaran Kouros I suspect it was the 1GB of DDR memory that was the big problem. That's just about enough to run Windows XP to a satisfactory standard. Through a game on top of that and I would expect to see frame rate issues. I think people are really making that memory thing a bit too much of an issue. I mean, ofcourse it affects the performance, but not that much after that 1GB... XP is actually pretty lightweight with memory in itself, with 1GB you can do a lot. I even ran my XP laptop with 196MB(!), using audio multitracker + software synths (Cubase SX1 + Reason 3), and it still worked (though only recording one track at time, and playing few). Honestly I didn't even think XP would install at all, but since I didn't have more working memory sticks then, thought I'd just try for fun. Games generally use a lot more memory, but checking Eve now, shows 345MB and 405MB in 2 computers. Okay, take your 345 and make that the base line for the OP's system for a moment. Assuming that eve is taking 345MB, then that only leaves 679 for the OS and anything else that's running in the background. That's not a great deal even for XP to run on, plus it's DDR1 so you are going to have a relatively small amount of memory bandwidth with which to move data around. Once you get past 2GB of decent memory then you aren't going to notice any real performance improvements, but 1GB of DDR1 is going to represent a bit of a bottleneck.
dr doooo	Posted - 2009.09.25 08:36:00 - [15] When was the last time you reinstalled windows and updated drivers on your old system though?


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