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Eric Hartman
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Posted - 2009.09.30 00:37:00 -
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Hello, I've been thinking about useing a tech 3 curiser for lvl 4's with an orca set up for salvageing. So my questions are, are tech 3 cruisers any good at doing lvl 4's and if so which one would be considered the best for said role? Thanks for any thoughts on this subject. |
Alex Zander505
Amarr
Loyal Order Of Bacchus
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Posted - 2009.09.30 00:42:00 -
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yes t3 ships can do lvl 4's. they can do them pretty good too becuase they have great damage if u fit it right and they are small and fast. tbh my fav is the tengu
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Eric Hartman
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Posted - 2009.09.30 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Eric Hartman on 30/09/2009 00:44:27
so how would the amarr tech 3 fair for missions? And can I fit combat Links on the orca to boost dps or tank?
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Hulemand
Gallente
Shadow Company
THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.09.30 01:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Eric Hartman
Edited by: Eric Hartman on 30/09/2009 00:44:27
so how would the amarr tech 3 fair for missions? And can I fit combat Links on the orca to boost dps or tank?
Tracking Links would be help full if you fit guns.
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Eric Hartman
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Posted - 2009.09.30 01:44:00 -
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I'm thinking about useing the amarr one, seeing as how I've speced in them, can they dish out some decnt dps for missions?
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Lucia Wilber
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.09.30 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: Lucia Wilber on 30/09/2009 01:53:27
With the right skills, yes. I've only toyed with it in EFT, but I was able to build a Legion that could tank over 700 DPS while still putting out over 300 with Scorch, and even more with faction MF, and that's not counting drones. Because it's cruiser-sized, it won't take full damage from some L4 torps and such, and will be able to hit frigs with its lasers as well. If you exchange some of that tank for DPS you can probably find a good balance.
So yeah, T3 cruisers can definitely run L4s if your skills are high enough. Now there's just that 1 Billion isk price tag....
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Kail Storm
Caldari
The Unforgiving.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 02:01:00 -
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Use a Tengu and afk missions and call it a day...IMO its the king of sub-BS missioning by far.
Smaller sig radius than command ships=way less DMG taken
Even with ok skills and HM`s you do 350 dps out to 77km with multi dmg types
Can tank 1k dps in missions very easily using only t2 gear.
Basically since IMO the drake is the BC missioning King [wether you love it or hate it ...its true] The tengu is the overall sub bs king because its a roided Drake thats way faster and better tanked. And you can change it from 6 mids-4 los to My fav 7 mids and 3 los and not lose any tank but add a Painter or web and even go faster, on some missions like guristas I have resists so Hi I use 2 painters and split missles and kill smaller enemies way faster.
Like I said before most missioning drakes do a "real" 200-250 dps If that and they do lvl 4`s ok, a cruise raven does 500+ but only gets 60% on cruisers, so If you have a ship that can do 400 dps to every ship on the battlefield I think its every bit as good and it tanks like a Dread in siege 
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Omar Khayyam
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.30 08:44:00 -
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i sold my CNR and using s loki for lvl4 missions for abuot 2 months. they are quite well on missions (ofcourse with t2 ammo and subsystem skills at 5) and also afetr finishing mission, you can fit a emergent locus coordinator for 40km tractor beam range.
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:34:00 -
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the only t3 ship I would even THINK about using for missions would be the tengu.
that said I'd still rather fly a cnr or golem.
You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
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Eric Hartman
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:40:00 -
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Thanks for every ones replies, I am now training up my main for tengu and my alts on the path for the orca. Thanks again!  
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Veliria
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Posted - 2009.09.30 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Eric Hartman
Thanks for every ones replies, I am now training up my main for tengu and my alts on the path for the orca. Thanks again!
Tengu in mission probably won't be using guns for those Tracking Links on your Orca to boost though. 
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E Vile
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Posted - 2009.09.30 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: E Vile on 30/09/2009 20:45:17
A Tengu can be setup with more dps then a Nighthawk, a stronger active boost tank, and with a smaller sig.
With a fuel catylist subcomponant you can also fly 700m/s (950m/s OL) with a AFTURBURNER!
Moving 700m/s I am lucky to ever take more then 10 dmg from anything in L4. I am lucky to tick my shield booster once in a mission.
Don't forget the sensor sub that gives you roughly 120k range with near 300mh sig res for fast lock times, and sensor strength of 30. Missles also can travel speeds exceeding 8400m/s if skilled/subd.
Tengu totally rocks for L4 and is a blast to fly.
Big thing to factor with this setup though is it is a TIGHT fit. You absolutley need great/max fitting skills across the board.
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Lucia Wilber
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2009.09.30 20:44:00 -
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Yes. As usual, Caldari get the best mission ship. Yay for Caldari... 
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Dr Evile
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Posted - 2009.09.30 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lucia Wilber
Yes. As usual, Caldari get the best mission ship. Yay for Caldari...
I would bet all the other T3 can be fit to also destroy anything L4 throws.
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Eric Hartman
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Posted - 2009.09.30 21:07:00 -
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I wonder how well the Amarr tech 3 cruiser would fair on lvl 4's. Would help to know seeing as how I'm already traind up to fly all amarr tech 1 and tech 2 ship sub cap? Thanks guys for the contiued responses...
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Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2009.10.01 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Eric Hartman
I wonder how well the Amarr tech 3 cruiser would fair on lvl 4's. Would help to know seeing as how I'm already traind up to fly all amarr tech 1 and tech 2 ship sub cap? Thanks guys for the contiued responses...
I bought a Legion a while ago since I had to run missions to get standings up again to retrieve my datacores, but wanted to be able to explore a bit when I grew bored of the mission grind. I figured I'd haul in a Legion and the appropriate subsystems, switch them around, refit, and save myself the trouble of flying two ships to the mission system.
Result:
Exploration in a T3 is great and fun, you can even do it well in low sec thanks to the CovOps subsystem.
Running L4s in a T3 is a PITA for many of them. You can tank them fine, the problem is that you have cruiser sized weaponry, and even refit for maximum damage you encounter lots of ships that want stay at a distance from you. You can easily catch them thanks to your cruiser speed, but it still amounts to a lot of flying around. I tried beams, pulses and drones as main damage source, but it all took way too long.
It was MUCH faster to run the missions with a BS thanks to the superior gun range, so I sold the Legion again and used a simple Dominix.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.01 11:05:00 -
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Exploration ina T3 ship is absolutely brilliant 
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.10.01 11:33:00 -
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Kail Storm said ôUse a Tengu and afk missions and call it a day...IMO its the king of sub-BS missioning by far. Smaller sig radius than command ships=way less DMG taken
Even with ok skills and HM`s you do 350 dps out to 77km with multi dmg types
Can tank 1k dps in missions very easily using only t2 gear.
Going by those rules I would say thatÆs not king a passive shield tank drone Proteus is. More tank, more DPS, longer range and works even better AFK.
Kail Storm said ôThe tengu is the overall sub bs king because its a roided Drake thats way faster and better tanked.ö
WhatÆs the Proteus then? as its even faster tanks over 1dps just with T2. YouÆre doing 380dps just with the drones not factoring in turrets. You have a better tank and can kill frigs just as easy as bigger ships.
I spent a lot of time comparing the Tengu and Proteus and as far as I can see for missions the Proteus wins out every time. Mind you battelships are still better then the T3Æs for level 4 but if you want to run fast level 3Æs I would pick the T3Æs.
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Noemi Nagano
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Posted - 2009.10.01 12:00:00 -
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Like I pointed out in another thread already in my opinion there are some reasons the Tengu beats all other Strategics on l4.
The main weapon system of a Tengu (Heavy Missiles) is able to hit everything Cruiser-size and above without trouble with full damage. In addition, with a decent fitting and skills, HM are able to hit also Frig-sized targets very well, even when they are in close orbit. All gun-based SCs will have a hard time killing an orbitting scrambler frig, and will need either assistance or a subsystem layout with dronebay - which will lead to MUCH less DPS with the main/bonused system.
This wont be a problem most of the time when those ships fight each other, but in PvE its a decisive advantage for a Tengu.
Second, the Heavies of a Tengu are able to hit nearly up to locking distance, which is above 110 km, so there are not so many missions left in which you need to fly before you can fight - and with AB speeds of 600+ (t2 AB) and more (faction or DS) you will be a lot faster than a BS normally.
Third: Tengu can be setup up to do 700+ DPS (again - Heavy Missile DPS, which apply very well to nearly all targets in missions!) using t2 Scourge Fury (which nearly got the same range like t1 and will also hit very well) with max skills and implants, on 100 km and more range. While I do know there are ships with much more DPS, this is still pretty good.
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Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.01 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Evile
Originally by: Lucia Wilber
Yes. As usual, Caldari get the best mission ship. Yay for Caldari...
I would bet all the other T3 can be fit to also destroy anything L4 throws.
They can, but they'll be relativelly inefficient because of limited range, while the tengu really has it all. Dps, range and tank. It's only weakness is that you don't have any slot for a tractor beam or salvager...
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2009.10.01 16:12:00 -
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loki is also quite good, with just t2 you should be able to get 500dps, around 1k tank and perma ab at 700m/s... only drawback is lack of control as the range is just around 20k
Originally by: Diana Merris
Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.10.01 16:57:00 -
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Shadowsword said "It's only weakness is that you don't have any slot for a tractor beam or salvager..."
A drone based Proteus has all the advantages of the Tengu and slots for the tractor beam and/or salvagers.
Noemi Nagano said "Like I pointed out in another thread already in my opinion there are some reasons the Tengu beats all other Strategics on l4."
I don't see how that beats a drone based Proteus. You can hit out to 120km to 126km or less if you fit tractor beams. You can hit Frig-sized targets very well, even when they are in close orbit and the DPS output and tank are a match if not better then the Tengu.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.10.01 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
...and the DPS output and tank are a match if not better then the Tengu.
Can you paste here proteus fit that can do 700+ dps at 120km pls.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.10.01 17:38:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 said " Can you paste here proteus fit that can do 700+ dps at 120km pls."
No I cannot do that also not seen decent PvE Tengu fit that can do that. Even with 4 navy BCU's I fall far short of 700dps and 120km. What I am missing? There are a lot of combinations so I could have missed something, if so please share.
I was comparing the Proteus to the Tengu fits posted in this thread most of which list the Tengu as around 320ish dps.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.10.01 17:45:00 -
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Add missile implants and you got 700+ dps...
About 320dps tengu - that guy prolly dont have sub skills trained.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.10.01 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 01/10/2009 18:29:08
I managed to get 671dps but that left me with no way to deal with frigates or destroyers. Little CPU and PG for the midslots and pretty much zero tank. Hardly a useful level 4 mission runner.
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I managed to get 671dps but that left me with no way to deal with frigates or destroyers. Little CPU and PG for the midslots and pretty much zero tank. Hardly a useful level 4 mission runner. I would much prefer the Proteus at 633dps out to 33km to 45km at least you have a tank and can kill small ships fast.
Lead would be 562dps and 51km.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.10.01 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
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Then you didnt try hard enough...
- dps over 700 - implants
- tank - if you think 800 omni with pithi smalls is zero... /not counting small sig and 600+ speed/
- fits fine for me
- no way to deal with destroyers and frigs - i think 51 expl radius on hmls is enough to deal with them
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.10.01 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 01/10/2009 19:26:03
I thought we were talking about T2 gear and perhaps some of the cheap faction stuff like navy damage mods not expensive 500mill+ per module stuff. Sure your 500mill modules will beat my Proteus 50mill modules. So the amount you spent on gear is more then my ship and gear.
How are you getting 800 omni? Two pithi don't appear to be cap stable and if you add a cap booster you now don't have enough slots with the AB to boost resistance to get 800 omni. How are you getting the explosive radius down to 51 expl with the long range? Perhaps you have different subsystems but I am not about to play around with 1000's if not 10,000's of combinations of subsystems, implants and modules just to find your setup. If you have a real setup that is that good please post it. Your setup doesn't seem possible unless I missed something.
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Miriiah
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Posted - 2009.10.01 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Edited by: Pottsey on 01/10/2009 18:29:08
I managed to get 671dps but that left me with no way to deal with frigates or destroyers. Little CPU and PG for the midslots and pretty much zero tank. Hardly a useful level 4 mission runner.
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I managed to get 671dps but that left me with no way to deal with frigates or destroyers. Little CPU and PG for the midslots and pretty much zero tank. Hardly a useful level 4 mission runner. I would much prefer the Proteus at 633dps out to 33km to 45km at least you have a tank and can kill small ships fast.
Lead would be 562dps and 51km.
HAMtengu with faction gear/HAM implant will get 794 dps with CN launchers, 4 CN BCU's
913 with faction missiles, and due to it's dps output it will easily kill frigs/Destroyers, even elite frigs/esp when they slow down after "pulsing" their propulsion mods and speeding up again, have oneshot them when they've just turned on their propulsion mod aswell with a 1.9x sec RoF cap stable Gistum
a-type booster, and reaches 45km or so with HAM's
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Eric Hartman
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Posted - 2009.10.02 04:58:00 -
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Thanks again for every ones replies on this topicI I'm now wondering if any one of you kind souls out there could suggest a Heavy Missle fit for the Tengu? Thanks in advance!
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