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Kaylee Juuna
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Posted - 2009.09.30 03:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylee Juuna on 30/09/2009 04:01:22
How's this Hawk fitting for level 2 and maybe level 3 mission running in high sec? It's based entirely on what I already have and what I can use, except for the Ballistic Control and Co-Processor which I don't have yet. 5 CPU and 1 Power Grid left over.
Co-Processor I
Ballistic Control System I
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
1MN Afterburner II
Gistii C-Type Small Shield Booster
TE-2100 Standard Missile Bay, Sabretooth Light Missile
TE-2100 Standard Missile Bay, Sabretooth Light Missile
TE-2100 Standard Missile Bay, Sabretooth Light Missile
TE-2100 Standard Missile Bay, Sabretooth Light Missile
75mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Lead Charge S
Here's a picture of the setup. http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w30/ponchato/Hawk-Mission.jpg
The missile charges will change based on the enemies in mission. What do I need to change to make it 'better'?
Also, I don't completely understand the difference between active and passive shield tanks. My knowledge is that passive shield tanks increase the HP and recharge rate of the shield and that's it, whereas actives increase the resistances and use shield boosters. Am I correct or completely off-track?
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Dennard
Caldari
Northern Cross Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.09.30 04:48:00 -
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I use something like that, but I have a DCU/BCS in the lows, and use Standard Missle Launcher II's (no gun though) in the highs. I also use the lower grade shield amps (Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I). I got a 3% cpu implant too. I currently run level 3's, trying to get my standing up to get clones.
You can't really make it better, just have to get skills up and stuff.
Yes passive shield tanking usually increase shield size with shield extenders, increase regen with shield power relays/shield rechargers and increasing resistances. Passive shield tanking usually takes up more slots, whereas active can use fewer.
To active shield tank you would ideally use a booster with a boost amplifier, but sadly the hawk does not have the cpu for it
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Kaylee Juuna
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Posted - 2009.10.01 01:53:00 -
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I'm not expecting a huge amount of difficulty with level 2 missions (I've done them in a terribly fit Merlin, months ago). So, for now just train skills?
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.01 02:01:00 -
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Get a Drake instead (fit assault launchers). More dps, more tank, cheaper price. The Hawk is just a laughably bad ship and should never be used for anything.
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Kaylee Juuna
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Posted - 2009.10.01 02:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Get a Drake instead (fit assault launchers). More dps, more tank, cheaper price. The Hawk is just a laughably bad ship and should never be used for anything.
That's funny, I've been hearing that the Hawk is a pretty good ship for mission running. That's all I'm doing, and training for a Drake is going to take quite a bit more time.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.01 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylee Juuna
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Get a Drake instead (fit assault launchers). More dps, more tank, cheaper price. The Hawk is just a laughably bad ship and should never be used for anything.
That's funny, I've been hearing that the Hawk is a pretty good ship for mission running. That's all I'm doing, and training for a Drake is going to take quite a bit more time.
It's "pretty good" only in the sense that missions (especially level 1 and 2 missions) are so absurdly easy that even really bad ships can do them. However, the Drake (and even the Caracal) will out-perform it by a huge margin, giving you much faster killing speed, and therefore much better ISK per hour.
And no, training for a Drake won't take more time. In fact, it would be much faster to get the skills to fly a basic Drake than to waste training time on one of the worst ships in the game.
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.10.01 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylee Juuna
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Get a Drake instead (fit assault launchers). More dps, more tank, cheaper price. The Hawk is just a laughably bad ship and should never be used for anything.
That's funny, I've been hearing that the Hawk is a pretty good ship for mission running. That's all I'm doing, and training for a Drake is going to take quite a bit more time.
you heard wrong, the hawk isn't all that good for anything. I'd get a caracal for level 2s. maybe a rigor+painter heavy drake. never much liked the concept of an assault missile drake.
You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
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Jonas Winch
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.10.01 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jonas Winch on 01/10/2009 11:38:39
How about rocket launchers and a blaster in the highs?
The jollie tanks good, doesnt it?
And oh, rig her! EM resist rigs or something. And a web.
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Tireen Darksky
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.01 19:55:00 -
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Hawk is probably the worst AF in the game. roll a harpy, you will be happier.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.01 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylee Juuna
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Get a Drake instead (fit assault launchers). More dps, more tank, cheaper price. The Hawk is just a laughably bad ship and should never be used for anything.
That's funny, I've been hearing that the Hawk is a pretty good ship for mission running. That's all I'm doing, and training for a Drake is going to take quite a bit more time.
It's not. It's just less terrible at it than it is at PvP.
And rather than Drake, you might want to consider a Caracal. Which will be bother cheaper and better than your hawk.
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Kaylee Juuna
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Posted - 2009.10.01 22:12:00 -
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Most of you think the Hawk is bad. Why?
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.10.01 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylee Juuna
Most of you think the Hawk is bad. Why?
Perhaps because it gets outdone by pretty much everything including tech 1 frigates?
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Kaylee Juuna
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Posted - 2009.10.02 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Originally by: Kaylee Juuna
Most of you think the Hawk is bad. Why?
Perhaps because it gets outdone by pretty much everything including tech 1 frigates?
I was hoping for an answer other than 'it's not as good as x'. I'm asking what makes it worse?
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.02 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylee Juuna
Most of you think the Hawk is bad. Why?
Horrible PG and worse CPU.
Slow, fat sig.
Less DPS than a Kestrel.
Rockets doing crappy base damage that is far too easily mitigated.
Standard Launchers being bastards to fit and doing unremarkable damage.
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Kaylee Juuna
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Posted - 2009.10.02 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Kaylee Juuna
Most of you think the Hawk is bad. Why?
Horrible PG and worse CPU.
Slow, fat sig.
Less DPS than a Kestrel.
Rockets doing crappy base damage that is far too easily mitigated.
Standard Launchers being bastards to fit and doing unremarkable damage.
Well, those could make for a crappy ship . I guess I'll be using a Harpy.
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Jonas Winch
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.10.02 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jonas Winch on 02/10/2009 06:34:12
Originally by: Gypsio III
Horrible PG and worse CPU.
Slow, fat sig.
Less DPS than a Kestrel.
Rockets doing crappy base damage that is far too easily mitigated.
Standard Launchers being bastards to fit and doing unremarkable damage.
Oh man,
it can actually tank.
Rockets are hardly ALL that ****e (for pve at least (provided you fit a web)).
She's faster than harpy.
And she's orange!
There. Just don't be so negative about the Hawk, and omg, stop that 'kestrel does more DPS'! Oh god, please stop!
EDIT: And keep in mind missiles = changeable damage type. Unlike hybrids.
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Kaylee Juuna
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Posted - 2009.10.02 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jonas Winch
And keep in mind missiles = changeable damage type. Unlike hybrids.
That's the main reason why I wanted to use, and was recommended, the Hawk. Are the specific damage types worth the downfalls?
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Jonas Winch
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.10.02 07:40:00 -
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It depends.
I remember going against Sanshas in a Harpy and let me tell you, its not something which yields horrific amounts of timewarping pleasure.
But then, I, engulfed in strong feelings of anger, grandly boarded my mighty Orange Priestess of Doom, the Hawk, loaded EM missiles and purified the endless space of the Sansha scum.
But then again, I perhaps like the orangie too much. And if you're not planning to go against a wide variety of npcs, you indeed would be better off with a blaster Harpy with dual magstabs.
But should you join the cult of the orange painted thruster, you have my full support, young padawan. And remember, rockets aint that bad!
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Anakin Pubcrawler
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Posted - 2009.10.02 08:27:00 -
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Ran lvl 2s in a Hawk on another character some time back - did them ok but not spectacularly well. Assualt missile launcher caracal is a much more efficient option both for cost and time.
Not sure about drake with aml or rigged and using heavies, sounds like overkill to me. AML Caracal with 2 bcus has more than enough dps/tank for any lvl 2, even with one slot used for an afterburner.
Dont think I would even consider any other Caldari ship for the job.
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