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Zzazzt	Posted - 2004.10.27 01:48:00 - [181] Originally by: juel Get it right Znaei. the only way most of CoD took part in the Pa war was in scurrying to their safe spots. They were bailed out by unicore or they wouldnt have even lasted to a merger and formation of NSA. I was there fighting with the other AWM guys while CoD guys were busy yelling about haulers for their mining ops which they did most of the time while the war was on. Sure there were a few CoD fighters, but very few. If things are better now then I applaude who is doing it but it wasnt the old CoD directors I'll bet on that. Irrelevant. There is no CoD. There is no UNICOR. We are The NSA. ____________________________________________ MLM: Gentlemen at Play
Zzazzt	Posted - 2004.10.27 01:48:00 - [182] Originally by: juel Get it right Znaei. the only way most of CoD took part in the Pa war was in scurrying to their safe spots. They were bailed out by unicore or they wouldnt have even lasted to a merger and formation of NSA. I was there fighting with the other AWM guys while CoD guys were busy yelling about haulers for their mining ops which they did most of the time while the war was on. Sure there were a few CoD fighters, but very few. If things are better now then I applaude who is doing it but it wasnt the old CoD directors I'll bet on that. Irrelevant. There is no CoD. There is no UNICOR. We are The NSA. ____________________________________________ MLM: Gentlemen at Play
Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2004.10.27 09:49:00 - [183] Re-opened after a big clean up. Keep the replies on topic about the actual press release please. Off topic banter and replies will be deleted. ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming)
Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2004.10.27 09:49:00 - [184] Re-opened after a big clean up. Keep the replies on topic about the actual press release please. Off topic banter and replies will be deleted. ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming)
Harisdrop	Posted - 2004.10.27 12:54:00 - [185] Thanks for the clean-up. -------------------------- Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies
Harisdrop	Posted - 2004.10.27 12:54:00 - [186] Thanks for the clean-up. -------------------------- Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies
Statics	Posted - 2004.10.27 20:03:00 - [187] Originally by: Lucian Alucard They will stick to their guns till the death so there is no point arguing it here. "PA are scum! They will die forever! They will pay the price, blah blah blah. ... Oh wait... mOo is coming! HELLOO Mr. PA! :D Please! Come have tea and crumpets on our porch!"
Statics	Posted - 2004.10.27 20:03:00 - [188] Originally by: Lucian Alucard They will stick to their guns till the death so there is no point arguing it here. "PA are scum! They will die forever! They will pay the price, blah blah blah. ... Oh wait... mOo is coming! HELLOO Mr. PA! :D Please! Come have tea and crumpets on our porch!"
Leno	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:01:00 - [189] ok, i just have to get this out as the entire lack of wanting to follow logic annoys me. I remember reading an example about how u don't break a freindship up over a pal smoking even if you hate it. However, u didnt state you will not be friends with people who smoke or are even friends of smokers. The point is, if you say that everyone who is or works with pirates is KOS no matter what. Then in the same breath you say that people who fit these discriptions are exempt. Now i have no problem with you being friends with BNC, RKK, Evol and such (not that you seem to care, but still). It is the utter deffinition of hypocracy to state you are whole-hartedly anti anyone who works with pirates then not adheare that to all. So in conclusion of this rather long winded statement, if u are friends with corps you know to work with pirates, u must in all good faith u need to redifine your deffinition of piracy and those deserving of being KOS. --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Leno	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:01:00 - [190] ok, i just have to get this out as the entire lack of wanting to follow logic annoys me. I remember reading an example about how u don't break a freindship up over a pal smoking even if you hate it. However, u didnt state you will not be friends with people who smoke or are even friends of smokers. The point is, if you say that everyone who is or works with pirates is KOS no matter what. Then in the same breath you say that people who fit these discriptions are exempt. Now i have no problem with you being friends with BNC, RKK, Evol and such (not that you seem to care, but still). It is the utter deffinition of hypocracy to state you are whole-hartedly anti anyone who works with pirates then not adheare that to all. So in conclusion of this rather long winded statement, if u are friends with corps you know to work with pirates, u must in all good faith u need to redifine your deffinition of piracy and those deserving of being KOS. --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Comnander Marcello	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:09:00 - [191] Originally by: Alexandra Belani Sirmolle, did I not address the "long-time friends" issue in that post. I thought you all fell into that category Keep licking. lol Hasn't Evolution incorporated most of the active m0o pilots? But the EVE community aplaud your brave anti-m0o stance now that the corp itself went into hibernation wow
Comnander Marcello	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:09:00 - [192] Originally by: Alexandra Belani Sirmolle, did I not address the "long-time friends" issue in that post. I thought you all fell into that category Keep licking. lol Hasn't Evolution incorporated most of the active m0o pilots? But the EVE community aplaud your brave anti-m0o stance now that the corp itself went into hibernation wow
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:15:00 - [193] Do I really have to flame this chump. Ok.........first their bid in the war was over.Second they made a tactical desion to cease hostilities due to the fact that they stalemated PA in their home systems and the war was going no where, CoD and FU did not collapse despite intense efforts from the CA/PA/TPS alliance. They could not secure either Dek or Fade and saw the pointlessness of going after NORAD when BoB was in their backyard and building more and more strength.So the Cease fire was made for PA to divert resources to home defense. Both were tired of and spent and PA is fighting for its very existense. The corps that were its backbone are slowly falling away by the side.They let PA to wither and it seems it is so they compromised enough to let PA rip itself apart. If it was a NAP or Treaty they would have sided with them and fought Evol but haven't. NSA and FU only seem to have issuse with BNC and ATUK,mainly due to the stubborness of both sides. Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:15:00 - [194] Do I really have to flame this chump. Ok.........first their bid in the war was over.Second they made a tactical desion to cease hostilities due to the fact that they stalemated PA in their home systems and the war was going no where, CoD and FU did not collapse despite intense efforts from the CA/PA/TPS alliance. They could not secure either Dek or Fade and saw the pointlessness of going after NORAD when BoB was in their backyard and building more and more strength.So the Cease fire was made for PA to divert resources to home defense. Both were tired of and spent and PA is fighting for its very existense. The corps that were its backbone are slowly falling away by the side.They let PA to wither and it seems it is so they compromised enough to let PA rip itself apart. If it was a NAP or Treaty they would have sided with them and fought Evol but haven't. NSA and FU only seem to have issuse with BNC and ATUK,mainly due to the stubborness of both sides. Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:26:00 - [195] Originally by: Lucian Alucard ...despite intense efforts from the CA/PA/TPS alliance. We've never flown with PA, ever, and we've only ever flown with selected CA corps in the Forge, Geminate, Vale and Tribute regions. We don't do NAP's. There is no alliance between us and anyone. At all. Just fyi :)
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:26:00 - [196] Originally by: Lucian Alucard ...despite intense efforts from the CA/PA/TPS alliance. We've never flown with PA, ever, and we've only ever flown with selected CA corps in the Forge, Geminate, Vale and Tribute regions. We don't do NAP's. There is no alliance between us and anyone. At all. Just fyi :)
Arvalen Eno	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:39:00 - [197] Originally by: Leno The point is, if you say that everyone who is or works with pirates is KOS no matter what. Then in the same breath you say that people who fit these discriptions are exempt. The point is, they didn't say that. You're welcome to find where in the original statement it's said "We will put everyone who is or works with pirates on our KOS list, no matter what"... it's simply not there. So you're pretty much complaining they don't conform to how you interpret their statement... "Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate... hate leads to nerfs."
Arvalen Eno	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:39:00 - [198] Originally by: Leno The point is, if you say that everyone who is or works with pirates is KOS no matter what. Then in the same breath you say that people who fit these discriptions are exempt. The point is, they didn't say that. You're welcome to find where in the original statement it's said "We will put everyone who is or works with pirates on our KOS list, no matter what"... it's simply not there. So you're pretty much complaining they don't conform to how you interpret their statement... "Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate... hate leads to nerfs."
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2004.10.27 22:33:00 - [199] Dianoblic, when I flew with you guys in Pure Blind we were not ganking PA,we were not shooting everything like I was told by my then CEO Fragm. There was one misunderstanding in X-70MU and that was it. Now if I implied you were flying with CA or PA that was something I will clear up now. 3 weeks befor TPS enters into its Pure Blind Campigne, CA sends Omega Corp and I believe a handful of Shinra and VOTF to raid the western alliances and focus its assualt on FU and CoD then it sits in NORAD space for the next 2 weeks and tries to choke off NORAD and FA. In the three weeks prior to the emergence of TPS in PB, PA sends out a call to invade ALL enemy home system a policy that was maintained till the cease fire was made. BY this time the GN conflict had started and TPS had reduced its presence in PB. During the space of nearly a month both PA/TPS fought against FU/CoD and rarely if ever eachother. THere may never have been a NAP but we weren't killin' everything. Plus I know you only dealt with a few CA corps, due to the fact I believe TPS is disallowed to fly in CA space and are treated as any other alliance. Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2004.10.27 22:33:00 - [200] Dianoblic, when I flew with you guys in Pure Blind we were not ganking PA,we were not shooting everything like I was told by my then CEO Fragm. There was one misunderstanding in X-70MU and that was it. Now if I implied you were flying with CA or PA that was something I will clear up now. 3 weeks befor TPS enters into its Pure Blind Campigne, CA sends Omega Corp and I believe a handful of Shinra and VOTF to raid the western alliances and focus its assualt on FU and CoD then it sits in NORAD space for the next 2 weeks and tries to choke off NORAD and FA. In the three weeks prior to the emergence of TPS in PB, PA sends out a call to invade ALL enemy home system a policy that was maintained till the cease fire was made. BY this time the GN conflict had started and TPS had reduced its presence in PB. During the space of nearly a month both PA/TPS fought against FU/CoD and rarely if ever eachother. THere may never have been a NAP but we weren't killin' everything. Plus I know you only dealt with a few CA corps, due to the fact I believe TPS is disallowed to fly in CA space and are treated as any other alliance. Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass.
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.10.27 23:14:00 - [201] Edited by: Pandora Panda on 27/10/2004 23:33:02 Originally by: sutty sutty is a noob North Star Alliance = Deklein Star Alliance = Period Basis/Delve North Star Alliance = CoD+UNICOR Star Alliance = CFS North Star Alliance = Not fighting FA Star Alliance = Fighting FA -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.10.27 23:14:00 - [202] Edited by: Pandora Panda on 27/10/2004 23:33:02 Originally by: sutty sutty is a noob North Star Alliance = Deklein Star Alliance = Period Basis/Delve North Star Alliance = CoD+UNICOR Star Alliance = CFS North Star Alliance = Not fighting FA Star Alliance = Fighting FA -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
sutty	Posted - 2004.10.27 23:28:00 - [203] Edited by: sutty on 27/10/2004 23:30:34 delete FTW Stop calling yourself sim names
sutty	Posted - 2004.10.27 23:28:00 - [204] Edited by: sutty on 27/10/2004 23:30:34 delete FTW Stop calling yourself sim names
Leno	Posted - 2004.10.27 23:57:00 - [205] Originally by: Arvalen Eno Originally by: Leno The point is, if you say that everyone who is or works with pirates is KOS no matter what. Then in the same breath you say that people who fit these discriptions are exempt. The point is, they didn't say that. You're welcome to find where in the original statement it's said "We will put everyone who is or works with pirates on our KOS list, no matter what"... it's simply not there. So you're pretty much complaining they don't conform to how you interpret their statement... Dude, its not up to interpretation. Whilst i agree that it does not say outright, that if you are or work with pirates you must be KOS, the official statement says they will not condone it. Later in the same statement they list two corporation that are KOS due to pirating; m0o and ATUK. Now granted m0o no longer exist, ATUK does, and they do work with RKK and BNC. Now, if they claim they will not fly with nor condone anyone who flies with pirates, then how come they claim it is alright to do so with BNC, RKK, and Evolution (which as has been stated contains a number of former m0o members). So now , the entire point that a large volume of people are trying to make, is that you cannot in good faith continue to claim the "wholeheartedly anti-pirate" stance that you claim. It is the deffinition of hypocratic. Now this isnt to say i want to see any of these corps set to -10 standings, it is that NSA is in no position to claim the position that they have. --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Leno	Posted - 2004.10.27 23:57:00 - [206] Originally by: Arvalen Eno Originally by: Leno The point is, if you say that everyone who is or works with pirates is KOS no matter what. Then in the same breath you say that people who fit these discriptions are exempt. The point is, they didn't say that. You're welcome to find where in the original statement it's said "We will put everyone who is or works with pirates on our KOS list, no matter what"... it's simply not there. So you're pretty much complaining they don't conform to how you interpret their statement... Dude, its not up to interpretation. Whilst i agree that it does not say outright, that if you are or work with pirates you must be KOS, the official statement says they will not condone it. Later in the same statement they list two corporation that are KOS due to pirating; m0o and ATUK. Now granted m0o no longer exist, ATUK does, and they do work with RKK and BNC. Now, if they claim they will not fly with nor condone anyone who flies with pirates, then how come they claim it is alright to do so with BNC, RKK, and Evolution (which as has been stated contains a number of former m0o members). So now , the entire point that a large volume of people are trying to make, is that you cannot in good faith continue to claim the "wholeheartedly anti-pirate" stance that you claim. It is the deffinition of hypocratic. Now this isnt to say i want to see any of these corps set to -10 standings, it is that NSA is in no position to claim the position that they have. --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Arvalen Eno	Posted - 2004.10.28 00:12:00 - [207] Edited by: Arvalen Eno on 28/10/2004 00:30:50 Originally by: Leno Dude, its not up to interpretation. Whilst i agree that it does not say outright, that if you are or work with pirates you must be KOS, the official statement says they will not condone it. Aye, and to condone means "to overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure". That to not condone means killing those who do such thing on sight is again, your interpretation. edit: to clear it up, if NSA said: "we know such and such flies with pirates, but as they are our friends it's all fine and dandy that they do it." then it'd be against what was said originally (as it'd be condoning the practice of their friends). What i see them saying in this thread though is: "we know such and such fly with pirates and we think it sucks, but regardless of doing such sh.tty thing, they're still our friends". Quite a different point of view, and imo exactly what non condoning is -- hate the sin (not the sinner) and express it. and whatnot. "Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate... hate leads to nerfs."
Arvalen Eno	Posted - 2004.10.28 00:12:00 - [208] Edited by: Arvalen Eno on 28/10/2004 00:30:50 Originally by: Leno Dude, its not up to interpretation. Whilst i agree that it does not say outright, that if you are or work with pirates you must be KOS, the official statement says they will not condone it. Aye, and to condone means "to overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure". That to not condone means killing those who do such thing on sight is again, your interpretation. edit: to clear it up, if NSA said: "we know such and such flies with pirates, but as they are our friends it's all fine and dandy that they do it." then it'd be against what was said originally (as it'd be condoning the practice of their friends). What i see them saying in this thread though is: "we know such and such fly with pirates and we think it sucks, but regardless of doing such sh.tty thing, they're still our friends". Quite a different point of view, and imo exactly what non condoning is -- hate the sin (not the sinner) and express it. and whatnot. "Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate... hate leads to nerfs."
meafy	Posted - 2004.10.28 09:30:00 - [209] i hate posting in these thread but i will give it a try. Do RKK and BNC pirate? DO RKK and BNC fly with ATUK and pirate? ATUK have attacked ships in dek have RKK and BNC? mOo is dead (for now) and so is an non issue. Now i am not arguing over the definition of a "pirate" that is simplesst explaination i could think of.
meafy	Posted - 2004.10.28 09:30:00 - [210] i hate posting in these thread but i will give it a try. Do RKK and BNC pirate? DO RKK and BNC fly with ATUK and pirate? ATUK have attacked ships in dek have RKK and BNC? mOo is dead (for now) and so is an non issue. Now i am not arguing over the definition of a "pirate" that is simplesst explaination i could think of.

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