If they added more to avatar game play they'd get more people playing. This walking in closest is not helping much. Add more WiS to the game and they'd be pushing 100k plus subs easily - if not more.

The sad thing is, and this is just one total *******'s opinion (mine) here, is that WiS could do for EVE more than any other change, pretty much ever. BUT, and this is a BIG BUT, it has to be properly done.

Imagine logging into EVE, and instead of staring at your ship, ending up in a huge vibrant gorgeous space station full of people, surrounded by muted conversations, the announcements, the holo-advertisements floating above. Totally different feel, right? Imagine actually walking up to an NPC and having a conversation with him, rather than just clicking his portrait and hitting accept. Totally different experience. And this wouldn't mean you HAVE to do it this way, you would still be able to do it from your pod remotely, if you didn't want to, but the option would be there.

Now, add meaningful gameplay. Like flying into a wormhole, finding a space hulk, and going into it wearing a suit of armor, armed with a heavy bolter a'la Warhammer 40k? And finding artefacts (or rogue drone AI) inside. Again, totally different to just clicking the item in space and clicking a ship's module and waiting for it to cycle through and say "success" or "nothing was salvaged".

IF, and like the BIG BUT this is a BIG IF, they were able to actually pull this off, without letting EVE itself atrophy and die in the 2-3 decades it will take CCP with their glacial pace to actually do this, they would have such a unique game that I honestly can't see it dying any time soon, it would only grow provided it is maintained properly.

But quite frankly I just don't see it happening. It took years to get Incarna to a state where it's just a room with one person in it. Something other MMOs wouldn't even consider a gameplay demo, never mind a full fledged expansion. But I honestly believe such a change could easily double the amount of players EVE has, maybe even triple or quadruple it. Simple fact is, a lot of people like Sci-Fi. But not a lot of people find flying a ship in a circle (without manual control, mind!) all that entertaining. Avatar-based gameplay however is tried, tested and true successful mechanic. And EVE doesn't have it. Except for the closet.

Perhaps you can tell everyone how to play in your sandbox then....

The carebear agenda...

And vice versa.

Every sandbox has boundaries and rules.

And people who wont be happy till they can smartbomb rookie systems with impunity.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118674&find=unread

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115419&find=unread

Couldn't be bothered.

Either make REAL consequences and make it harder for people to gank in highsec/low sec or remove it altogether

It is clear that CCP wants grossly inflated and ongoing rising prices on the market by permitting suicide gankers to come to high security to suicide gank players who make us ships at good prices.

I'm surprised at you, normally for a goon (jk) you are quite reasonable on the forums (even if I disagree with you). I don't see anyone arguing for a theme park or totally safe hi sec.

Plus the bounderies have changed in 9 years, concorde for example.

All I've seen is a request for balance not safety in the WoW sense of the word.

I for one don't want Wow in space.

Tal

GǪand I also like the fact that PvE is less important for EVE than Mac support and that potentially as few as 4% of the players started playing EVE for that reason. But those are just my biases.

Maybe. I don't know GÇö I've historically had very little problems when running under OSX compared to the complaints levelled against the client. In fact, my bootcamped install tends to cause much more problems (but I think that might be due to the GFX card slowly conking out).

Never said that. Though don't let that get in your way.

And people who wont be happy till they can smartbomb rookie systems with impunity.