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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:35:00 -
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"a complex Sci Fi game with space exploration" = Going AFK next to a rock for a half hour? |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:37:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: It seems to be a response to the idea that in order to retain players they need to be immediately placed into PvP in order to be retained and related ideas about PvP being the primary draw to new players. It's not a claim that the larger portion of the player base doesn't want/like PvP or haven't partaken in it, but perhaps that it can't be the sole advertised draw of the game in order for the greatest potential growth to occur or that it's not the only thing CCP should concentrate on.
I realize I'm going to get the standard "LOL GOONIES LIES GARBAGE GOONIES" **** for posting this but...
In goonswarm we do a lot of recruiting from an outside source that is primarily not an "Eve Forum" or even a "Video Game Forum" so this requires we deal with a lot of people who haven't really heard a single whit about Eve save that it may or may not be harder than other games of it's type. In order to get as many people in ships, in the game and interested in playing we've basically taken an entirely different approach than your average player does.
1. We have a skillplan laid out that puts our newbies in a ton of ships so they can try different combat roles in their first 30 and 60 days of playing.
2. We put them into combat on Day 1 if possible. Skillpoint elitism is not allowed. Any open to the general membership op is automatically "Rifter's allowed".
3. We shower them with money and free ships.
We purposefully try to keep them away from the boring or super tedious bullshit at least until they get self motivated to try those things out as an adjunct to having fun.
I'd wager these things are a large part of our success and cohesiveness. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 00:43:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:And here I thought that was directly attributable to Boat.
Nah the only thing boat causes is expensive ship losses when I accidentally disconnect from eve for an hour in the middle of one of his fleets. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 01:28:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: Goons excel in the areas you describe IMHO, but then you have a closed pool from which you recruit. You do an amazing job in retention and keeping your own people from being bored, that can't be argued. I'd just like abit of development for some of the rest of us as well, not necessarily non-goons, but PvE'ers. Some sort of lasting/rewarding content. That would do more to retain PvE centric players and potentially have them expand outward to low null for reasons of wanting to experience it for what it has to offer from that front.
I won't even argue with you. The PvE in this game is absolutely pathetic. I think isk generation should be at a decent rate that doesn't wreck the economy but that it should also be entertaining. This is at the moment not the case.
No one can honestly look me in the eye and say that ratting is fun, missions are fun, incursions are fun, or that mining is fun. You may get off on the sense of progression due to being able to fly bigger and more expensive ships: But those are pretty meager rewards. I have no problem with the idea of themepark experience in this game, provided that the themepark can be gatecrashed by people interested enough to do it.
I personally think Eve can have a healthy PvP and PvE community, but right now it's a wreck: And frankly goons are doing what they do to "Stay engaged", which is to engage someone else. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 01:29:00 -
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Olleybear wrote: *Blink Blink*
Wow...
*Blink*
A Goon post that isn't random incoherent hatred.
*Blink Blink*
*Pinches self to make sure self is awake*
Good post, good plan.
You do realize that 90% of the "Incoherant hatred" is just us making fun of people who see "Goon" next to the posting name and freak the **** out right? |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 01:46:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
The rest of that success lies in the yearly Secret Santa.
My secret Santee got a pimped out faction fit Daredevil and a T2 Vagabond for when he lost the first item in a ball of fire!
The previous year my Santee was BFM and I gave him interdictors! He turned out to be a creepy as hell and got kicked from the alliance.
Welp ok! |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 01:53:00 -
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This argument is getting circular and I don't think either of you are going to get anywhere with it. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:01:00 -
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Olleybear wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:
You do realize that 90% of the "Incoherant hatred" is just us making fun of people who see "Goon" next to the posting name and freak the **** out right?
Perhaps I still have brain damage from being in local with goons during the BoB wars and seeing the verbal onslaught that was local chat.
That was like a billion years ago man. Mostly now it's just ****. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:16:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
The rest of that success lies in the yearly Secret Santa.
My secret Santee got a pimped out faction fit Daredevil and a T2 Vagabond for when he lost the first item in a ball of fire! The previous year my Santee was BFM and I gave him interdictors! He turned out to be a creepy as hell and got kicked from the alliance. Welp ok! I was refering to the one on that outside forum. I've recieved some really strange **** the past few years & treasured all of it.
This guy is a goon guys, but not one of "The goonies"
Beware: we are also among you. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:17:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:AFK Hauler wrote:I thought they changed there name to SyFy... Never understood why. that's easy, they changed nanes because they got tired of people beating them up for putting decidely un-scifi things on their channel... like pro-wrestling and horror.
Awaiting the History channel's rename to the "Hey Ya'll" channel. |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:42:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
Why would you do such a thing? I was just posting here peacfully, minding my own business...
If you ask nicely I'll let you see the videos where I attempted to eat dog food.
Wasn't that the thread where the guy was trying to bring his meal plan down to like cents on the dollar and was trying to find the optimum dogfood to eat?
Did you complete the mod challenge :V |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 02:43:00 -
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Luis Graca wrote:Disregard That wrote:Luis Graca wrote:EVE is only complex because you can die to PvPers other wise it would be really easy
Now to me the main problem of that survey is "Majority of EVE players have played EVE Online for more than 2 years with average account age being 3 years." because these are the next to stop playing the game and not only it's going to lack new players has we also don't know how many are alt's of these same players
It's called a Bell Curve. Just because most players have a median average of 3 years in-game does not mean that there is no new growth. WTF? Have you seeing the link?????? because if you did have saw it you will notice what i'm talking Hint: It's the 3-¬ graph
Uh... that is a bell curve and it's pretty much the standard curve you should see for any healthy game's population once it hits the multi year mark. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:26:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
Why would you do such a thing? I was just posting here peacfully, minding my own business...
If you ask nicely I'll let you see the videos where I attempted to eat dog food.
Wasn't that the thread where the guy was trying to bring his meal plan down to like cents on the dollar and was trying to find the optimum dogfood to eat? Did you complete the mod challenge :V Yes, that thread. OP completed his challenge but was beaten to it by several people. Watching all those videos was horrifying. I did complete it, but I don't recommend Kangaroo & Rice for the curious.
How is your coat though? Shiny and full? |
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