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Orbit Uranus
Minmatar
Wraith.Wing
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.09.30 21:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Ruby Khann
CCP made a second post in that thread, saying that the final changes will only be a few % different than current insurance rates.
As usual, Bellum ends up looking like a stupid whiner. 
This x 10000
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Scout Ops
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Posted - 2009.09.30 21:43:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Zarstrax
Aren't modules/ships that get destroyed an ISK sink?
common mistake
you paid ISK for those ships but this money doesnt get destroyed. Its on the seller wallet yet.
now you need to buy another ship. ISK drops from your wallet but flows to the new seller, so it doesnt dissappear either.
no ISK sink there... sinks/faucets are those that come from "ccp" i mean from the game itself "pve money". Everything that involves PVP money is not sink/faucet
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ISHKUR MASTER
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.30 21:47:00 -
[33]
Insurance????? They have insurance in this game???
Sigh
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Alakith
RennTech
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Posted - 2009.09.30 21:54:00 -
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Less insurance would result in less pvp. i dont really see how less pvp benefits anyone....
~Alakith~
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Evelgrivion
Ignatium.
Aggressive Dissonance
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Posted - 2009.09.30 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Evelgrivion on 30/09/2009 22:06:24
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Right, I actually had to log on SISI and verify that this wasn't a really elaborate troll by SHC.
I understand why people are happy and excited for themselves, but anyone who thinks this is somehow good for the game must be the biggest moron. Insurance is probably the second biggest contributor to isk inflation after NPC bounties, and adding more safety nets to a game already watered down by them is incomprehensible.
I'm having a hard time believing how they actually ended up boosting insurance at a time when capital overhaul almost guaranteed a nerf of some kind.
You also missed blueprints, pos and agent services.
Well, according to Chronotis the insurance changes aren't deliberate and the numbers aren't final.
I was kind of looking forward to more bad HAC pilots too. 
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.09.30 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Alakith
Less insurance would result in less pvp. i dont really see how less pvp benefits anyone....
No insurance wouldn't result in less PVP. It would change how players go about PVP however. It would more clearly separate the ship classes via their cost. People wouldn't 'throw away' battleships so much. Battlecruisers would become much more attractive as cost effective options when compared to BS. You might actually start seeing more T1 cruiser gangs because of their cost effectiveness. Right now everyone enjoys PVPing for 'free' because of it's low cost.
And besides, if you're good at PVP, why is it an issue? You don't lose ships that often anyway, right?
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Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2009.09.30 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
I was thinking about this earlier. What if POSes were no longer available from NPCs and were produced from BPOs/BPCs just like anything else?
The sovereignty fees that alliances will pay to Concord or w/e to keep control of their space will most likely replace the ISK sink that POSes are currently. Yes/no?
No and yes. Pos will still exist, but will no longer control sov. Pos will still be needed for reactions/moon mining. CCP stated very clearly that pos will not cease to exist.
On topic, I'm not sure exactly how it's connected, but I'm pretty sure the t2 insurance has something to do with nerfing moon income. From what I've gathered on the forums, most people are against t2 insurance (I might be wrong though). We've had no indication on how they plan to nerf moon income.
The only thing I've gathered as far as rumours go, is that the material costs for t2 ships are actually going up, which would indicate that moon materials will become more abundant somehow. No indication of how though. Another thing is, a lot of people seemed upset because of the fact that a lot of t2 ships came from t2 bpo's (about 57% I seem to recall from some thread somewhere). This might be a way to encourage people to use more t2 ships, so that there will be more demand.
This essentially means that the increased demand will effectively "nerf" the t2 bpo's. After all, ships are the ones that appear to be the worst affected by bpo's. Modules are used so much that the bpo's can't keep up with demand, so it pays off more to invent. After all, one can only manufacture so much from a bpo.
That's what I think anyways. I might be totally wrong though.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.09.30 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Fille Balle
No and yes. Pos will still exist, but will no longer control sov. Pos will still be needed for reactions/moon mining. CCP stated very clearly that pos will not cease to exist.
On topic, I'm not sure exactly how it's connected, but I'm pretty sure the t2 insurance has something to do with nerfing moon income. From what I've gathered on the forums, most people are against t2 insurance (I might be wrong though). We've had no indication on how they plan to nerf moon income.
The only thing I've gathered as far as rumours go, is that the material costs for t2 ships are actually going up, which would indicate that moon materials will become more abundant somehow. No indication of how though. Another thing is, a lot of people seemed upset because of the fact that a lot of t2 ships came from t2 bpo's (about 57% I seem to recall from some thread somewhere). This might be a way to encourage people to use more t2 ships, so that there will be more demand.
This essentially means that the increased demand will effectively "nerf" the t2 bpo's. After all, ships are the ones that appear to be the worst affected by bpo's. Modules are used so much that the bpo's can't keep up with demand, so it pays off more to invent. After all, one can only manufacture so much from a bpo.
That's what I think anyways. I might be totally wrong though.
Well yeah, I never said POS will cease to exist hehe. As for nerfing moon income- I don't think CCP will be nerfing 'moon income' at all, just redistributing it.
I think that through the system improvement scheme CCP will be putting into place with the new sov mechanics we'll see once barren moons develop into worthwhile resources that allow the production of materials that were once limited to only a few sources.
Now, while these new material sources won't be producing very much of the rare materials, they will be producing *some*, which will remove the strangle hold that the existing power blocks have on these resources. Overall I think we'll see a very large net increase in all material supplies once the new changes are in effect and alliances start developing their territories in earnest. Never underestimate the power of human greed.
The thing is, the mere existence of insurance hints at a hard cap for T2 value, so we know for sure that regardless of what sort of oversupply is going on, T2 ships will never fall below the value of insurance payout minus insurance cost. If they do people will just reprocess them for their materials and sell those instead.
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Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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