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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.10.01 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 01/10/2009 14:08:54
 Originally by: TimMc
"We must be on guard against giving interpretations of scripture that are far-fetched or opposed to science, and so exposing the word of God to the ridicule of unbelievers." - Saint Augustine
Well, that might have worked perfectly until about the Industrial Revolution, they might have had serious problems with it until the end of WWII, but nowadays, that's nearly impossible.
You simply CAN'T interpret any "scriptures" of any organized religion that's been around for several centuries without going full-on-facepalm constantly if you have a clue about... well, just about anything that's pretty much considered "common sense" in academic circles.
Originally by: BiggestT
I dont see any psycho rants agaisnt scientology (arguable the most lol-worthy of beliefs imo), but then again they have thier opinion, I have mine, so whatever.
Scientology is not more nor less valid than Christianity or the vast majority of organized churches based on religions.
They're both man-made organisations designed to squeeze financial or other gains out of all followers, based on man-made fantasy tales without too much basis in historic fact.
As it's being said... every believer is an atheist towards every other religion (and there are many of them) except the one he's stuck with at the moment... the people believers call atheists simply reject one aditional religion.
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Dan O'Connor
Strange Flying Objects
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Posted - 2009.10.01 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 01/10/2009 14:07:18
Originally by: Uronksur Suth
I admit being absolutely horrified to learn I lived in the same country as this idiocy
Your thoughts?
"The Petting Zoo is included in the price of admission. There you can feed a zonkey (zebra/donkey), a zorse (zebra/horse), a camel, wallabies, and other intriguing animals."
What kind of science is this?!?!
(http://creationmuseum.org/plan-your-visit/who-are-you/first-time-guest/ - Hints for families)
I am at a loss for words.
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Cardiana
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Posted - 2009.10.01 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Cardiana on 01/10/2009 14:16:46
being an atheist or this or that it all is a resistance to the fundamental truth that is you.
all you need to do is just look but if you dont then theres naturally nothing you see but your own stuff that your reurgitate. if that in itself would not already proof enough for poeple here
but yeah this is planet earth kindergarden i guess.
well its ok. all is a stepping stone. even the most primitive things should be respected.
like it says in GTA: and remember respect is everything. 
be proud but with humility.
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Ci Seepy
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Posted - 2009.10.01 14:22:00 -
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/me thinks I'm probably the only one on this board that finds no reason why science and religion can't coexist.
Probably because I happen to think God created a mature universe as described in modern science =\
now, where did I put that fire proof suit at?
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Cardiana
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Posted - 2009.10.01 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Cardiana on 01/10/2009 14:27:46
Originally by: Ci Seepy
/me thinks I'm probably the only one on this board that finds no reason why science and religion can't coexist.
Probably because I happen to think God created a mature universe as described in modern science =\
now, where did I put that fire proof suit at?
they cant handle any fire yet. they just throw with mud. you would need a mud suit here. xD
nvm that a mud suit is included in the no duality of things. but they dont have to know. IT IS VERY SECRET !!!!! IT IS ONLY FOR THE SELECT FEW ELITE !!!!! BETTER WAIT FOR THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS !!!! !!!!!! or better yet richard nixxon. 
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BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.10.01 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Fundamentally wrong.
..just plain wrong ... They hold no merit in current days standards.
...To think that some devote thir life to this is imho far out. Its absurd to think a grown man/women would even consider religion as something to consider serious...
...Also, I do not get angry about people not agreeing with me, I get angry about people refusing to actually think for themself.
You kinda contradicted urself here.
It's more subtle the way you say it, but infering that I cannot think for myself is very abusive. I dont go saying you're gonna burn in hell coz you're an atheist, frankly because nothing is certain and everyone is welcome to their opinion. Sadly this is not what many religous ppl do, and they just ruin it for everyone.
And remember atheists also utilise faith (not just science), they just have faith that there is no God 
So we're all fundamentally the same 
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.01 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Uronksur Suth
Instead 27 million dollars go down the drain to build a museum dedicated to tricking young children into thinking that mysticism has scientific validity.
Playing the devils advocate for a moment the theory of evolution states that somehow organic life has the ability over a period of millions of years to adjust to its enviroment. That somehow ranges from some sort of willpower to solar radiation so what makes evolution any less mystic in trying to explain the origin of organic life?
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Cardiana
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Posted - 2009.10.01 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Cardiana on 01/10/2009 14:53:07
btw whoever is afraid of hell dont be. you are already in it.
doesnt this statement tell it all thats ever needed to be told?
hooray for simple mind.  how much of it you would want to be today?
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BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.10.01 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
As it's being said... every believer is an atheist towards every other religion (and there are many of them) except the one he's stuck with at the moment... the people believers call atheists simply reject one aditional religion.
While your making many assumptions about myth's etc etc and generally making religous ppl sound ignorant (pretty much always cop this from atheists), I guess I can agree to disagree with your post- except for this part above.
Imo most religions are similar, the diff. between islam, chrisitanity, catholisism and even Hindu are more or less arbitrary. Each is based on the same core religion, sadly, thye seem to have begotton the "IM RIGHT UR WRONG" syndrome and just started resenting each other for it.
I don't really blame atheists for being atheists, especially with the amount of crap we see about religion these days. But I'm not an atheist and I find that science and religion dont have to oppose and am not going to lose any sleep at night for it.
P.S. Scientology has no histroric back ground at all. Many events in the Bible did happen (I wonder who built those pyramids..), sadly its the events that are doubtful to have occurred (or were just recorded/transalted/interpretted differently) that make ppl think it is a fictional text.
That said, I'm not gonna be a hypocrite, after all no one can dispprove scientology 
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Haxfar Portlaind
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Posted - 2009.10.01 14:53:00 -
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"Nature herself has imprinted on the minds of all the idea of God."
- Cicero
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.01 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Haxfar Portlaind
Implying that nature is a conscious entity with intentions, reasoning and purpose.
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Cardiana
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Posted - 2009.10.01 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Cardiana on 01/10/2009 15:03:37
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Haxfar Portlaind
Implying that nature is a conscious entity with intentions, reasoning and purpose.
this is all so misunderstood and from the head. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh. get into the heart of things.
no words ever will explain.
how do you explain no one? it does not work. the more one tries the more one does go off into wonderland of seperation.
eventuall one all has to give it up. even the underpanties.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.10.01 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cardiana
Edited by: Cardiana on 01/10/2009 15:03:37
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Haxfar Portlaind
Implying that nature is a conscious entity with intentions, reasoning and purpose.
this is all so misunderstood and from the head. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh. get into the heart of things.
no words ever will explain.
how do you explain no one? it does not work. the more one tries the more one does go off into wonderland of seperation.
eventuall one all has to give it up. even the underpanties.
Dude..those mushrooms...they aren't the normal garden variety kind ya' know..
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Cardiana
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Posted - 2009.10.01 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Cardiana on 01/10/2009 15:23:25
Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Cardiana
Edited by: Cardiana on 01/10/2009 15:03:37
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Haxfar Portlaind
Implying that nature is a conscious entity with intentions, reasoning and purpose.
this is all so misunderstood and from the head. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh. get into the heart of things.
no words ever will explain.
how do you explain no one? it does not work. the more one tries the more one does go off into wonderland of seperation.
eventuall one all has to give it up. even the underpanties.
Dude..those mushrooms...they aren't the normal garden variety kind ya' know..
whatever you think you think. doesnt go much further then that. no you dont have to understand. its ok either way.
*dances in a jesus robe through corn circles sinign halleluja hello aliens*
apparently you can do all that and be 'normal' having a high self dsicipline.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.10.01 15:18:00 -
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I notice that folks that go after Christians never go after Muslims with the same fervor.
I guess it's easier to bash a group that won't blow you up.
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Emil Erlenmeyer
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Posted - 2009.10.01 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cardiana
whatever you think you think. doesnt go much further then that. no you dont have to understand. its ok either way.
*dances in a jesus robe through corn circles sinign halleluja hello aliens*
You're weird. 
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Cardiana
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Posted - 2009.10.01 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Emil Erlenmeyer
Originally by: Cardiana
whatever you think you think. doesnt go much further then that. no you dont have to understand. its ok either way.
*dances in a jesus robe through corn circles sinign halleluja hello aliens*
You're weird.
course i am.
you normal or what? cancer at 50?
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.01 15:28:00 -
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Question is, if you pray really hard will god bring back the jesushorses?
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.01 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
I notice that folks that go after Christians never go after Muslims with the same fervor.
I guess it's easier to bash a group that won't blow you up.
Its easier to attack someone in 0.0 of freespeech space then to attack them in their high sec empire. If this sort of thinking occured in say midevil Europe they'd put you to the stake or worse for being a heritic.
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Cardiana
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Posted - 2009.10.01 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Cardiana on 01/10/2009 15:38:33
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Question is, if you pray really hard will god bring back the jesushorses?
yes yes i tried. i still do. dont you too in someway?
i find it awkward.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.10.01 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Drunk Driver
I notice that folks that go after Christians never go after Muslims with the same fervor.
I guess it's easier to bash a group that won't blow you up.
Its easier to attack someone in 0.0 of freespeech space then to attack them in their high sec empire. If this sort of thinking occured in say midevil Europe they'd put you to the stake or worse for being a heritic.
By muslim time they're smack dab in their dark ages, pretty accurate if you ask me. That's about all that needs to be said.
Christians in the developed world still not ascending past fundamentalism on the other hand. No excuses.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.10.01 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
I notice that folks that go after Christians never go after Muslims with the same fervor.
I guess it's easier to bash a group that won't blow you up.
You know The Simpson's writers said the same kind of thing on a DVD commentary. They said they make fun of all religions except the one's that suicide bomb people.
Since originally posting on this topic I went to a bar with a friend of mine that had actually been to this museum. He's a self-proclaimed creationist and often argues in favor of creationism, and not just in bars or interweb forums. He's a bright fellow with a string arcane letter after his name that if decoded will describe his level of education. He said that the arguments and science represented at the museum were so terrible and borderline insane that he nearly vomited with rage.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.10.01 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
By muslim time they're smack dab in their dark ages, pretty accurate if you ask me. That's about all that needs to be said.
How does that Iran/nuclear weapons thing fit into your middle ages analogy?
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Croesus
Caldari
Titan Indurstrial
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Posted - 2009.10.01 16:34:00 -
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bet the christian haters are mostly closet homosexuals.
...and fat because they are on the internet.
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Croesus
Caldari
Titan Indurstrial
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Posted - 2009.10.01 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 01/10/2009 14:08:54
Originally by: TimMc
"We must be on guard against giving interpretations of scripture that are far-fetched or opposed to science, and so exposing the word of God to the ridicule of unbelievers." - Saint Augustine
Well, that might have worked perfectly until about the Industrial Revolution, they might have had serious problems with it until the end of WWII, but nowadays, that's nearly impossible.
You simply CAN'T interpret any "scriptures" of any organized religion that's been around for several centuries without going full-on-facepalm constantly if you have a clue about... well, just about anything that's pretty much considered "common sense" in academic circles.
Originally by: BiggestT
I dont see any psycho rants agaisnt scientology (arguable the most lol-worthy of beliefs imo), but then again they have thier opinion, I have mine, so whatever.
Scientology is not more nor less valid than Christianity or the vast majority of organized churches based on religions.
They're both man-made organisations designed to squeeze financial or other gains out of all followers, based on man-made fantasy tales without too much basis in historic fact.
As it's being said... every believer is an atheist towards every other religion (and there are many of them) except the one he's stuck with at the moment... the people believers call atheists simply reject one aditional religion.
you are pretty stupid. very sad for you. very funny for the rest of us.
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Elora Danzik
Caldari
Idiots In Spaceships
Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2009.10.01 18:02:00 -
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Wow another religion thread in OOPE!
Ah where to begin.
::considers opportunity cost of explaining vs lulz or at least lols::
All religions were a non technological people attempting to explain the world. These stories were then written down much later. Thus the stories got mixed up and combined with other religions. The bible is mix of Egyptian, Sumerian, and Jewish traditions and stories.
This helps to explain a basic fallacy with creationism.
The Bible began to be read literally after the trail of Galileo. This is often pointed to as when science and religion split. The reality is the Catholic church was responsible for many early discoveries. They persued science to better understand religion.
Galileo wasnĘt arrested for his views. He was arrested and tried because he wouldnĘt shut up about it. The Church said the earth is the center of the universe. Galileo presented contrary eveidence. The church told him to desist so they could consider the matter. He wouldnĘt. The result is the perceived split between science and religion. At least, that is my understanding of the events.
This lead to the fundamentalism we see today. The reason its such a big deal on this side of the pond is because fundamentalism in Christianity started here. The protestant reformation started it. The religious freedom of America; allowed to it arrive at its logical conclusion. Creationism. There are many things that fundamentalist believe in. The Rapture is not in the bible. It was thought of by an American misiter in the 1800Ęs, I believe, because he couldnĘt understand why God would allow true believers to go through the horrific events of Revelations. But they will tell you its in there.
anyway, thatĘs my thoughs.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2009.10.01 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ci Seepy
/me thinks I'm probably the only one on this board that finds no reason why science and religion can't coexist.
Probably because I happen to think God created a mature universe as described in modern science =\
now, where did I put that fire proof suit at?
Dude you're just not angry enough.
Now try again.. once more with FEELING! Yar.
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rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2009.10.01 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Yes it bothers me and it is far more serious then just expressing oppinions. They are claiming it is the truth and many people have faith in it.
This also means they are spreading their influence at the cost of actual science and knowledge, since they have to discredit science to make room for their own claims.
They are using this influence to affect the decisions made in government as an example. You can propably see why it might not be the best of idea to let creation myths and blind faith to be your guide when governing instead of actual facts and science. The more people ignore this kind of behavior, the more powerful it gets and the more damage it does. That is why I have zero tolerance for it.
Can you site any specific damage this belief has caused?
9/11, helping Israel, The crusades, The Iraq war, War in Afghanistan, in fact most of the wars in human history have either been due to religion, or due to simple conquest.
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rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2009.10.01 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Drunk Driver
I notice that folks that go after Christians never go after Muslims with the same fervor.
I guess it's easier to bash a group that won't blow you up.
Its easier to attack someone in 0.0 of freespeech space then to attack them in their high sec empire. If this sort of thinking occured in say midevil Europe they'd put you to the stake or worse for being a heritic.
I personally attack all religion. Which religion it is makes no difference. I attack Athiests as well.
The reason is very simple.
At this exact moment in time I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of god. Due to this I am neither an athiest, nor do I believe in any established religion. I simply know that god may or may not exist. That is all. Everything else is simply man made in nature and should be discarded.
What I see instead however are people giving away their fortunes to the church. And for what? So some imaginary guy in the sky will give you something, answer your prayer? Most of the people I know use religion as a crutch because they are too weak to stand for themselves. It's pathetic.
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Posted - 2009.10.01 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987
I personally attack all religion. Which religion it is makes no difference. I attack Athiests as well.
The reason is very simple.
At this exact moment in time I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of god. Due to this I am neither an athiest, nor do I believe in any established religion. I simply know that god may or may not exist. That is all.
You're a fence sitter.
You can also neither confirm nor deny the undetectable pink kangaroo on your shoulder. But to give the idea any credence because of a lack of evidence is silly.
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