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Wideen
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.10.02 08:43:00 -
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Hi there,
for some reason I got a fling for caldari AF's. I'm in need of some suggestions as how to improve the fit I've come up with so far:
[Hawk, pvp]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
1MN Afterburner II
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Warp Scrambler II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 50
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rage Rocket
Small Nosferatu II
Core Defence Operational Solidifier II
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Basically, I'm looking for lots of tank and admittedly this fit doesn't sport the most impressive tanked dps, especially not so with tackling gear fitted.
Keep in mind that this is intended post-dominion patch with the AB bonus.
Any suggestions are welcome! Except comments like don't fly the hawk bla bla bla.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.02 08:46:00 -
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Even post AB changes this will bite.
Low dps, and one neut will ruin your day even with boosters.
The ship needs to be changed at a fndamental level, and unless they actually boost rockets this will be doomd to die quick and horribly.
But why not a better meta AB for more speeds when you firste are gonna use deadspace stuff?
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.02 08:51:00 -
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A web is absolutely essential if you want any ability to damage a hostile ABing frigate, or keep it tackled. You may just have to hope that you can run stuff off the small Nos.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.02 08:54:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 02/10/2009 08:54:41
 Originally by: Gypsio III
A web is absolutely essential if you want any ability to damage a hostile ABing frigate, or keep it tackled. You may just have to hope that you can run stuff off the small Nos.
I would agree. Heck, my MWD cruisers is faster then this after AB changes.
Web is essential to fully use Rage rockets as well against frigs. And with rages you get more signature on your self also, makeing your active tank less useful due to less damage mitigateion.
Belive me tho, I would like to see a useful Hawk. I simply have yet to see one.
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Wideen
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.10.02 08:56:00 -
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regarding an deadspace AB, absolutely didn't think of it.
And I could prob. run everything off the nos gonna look that up. In worst case I'll drop a rig for a semiconductor memory cell or something that will surely allow permarun. And neuts will make it sad but the recharge is generally fast enough to allow activation of at least the booster (low activation cost) so it's semi-viable.
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Wideen
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.10.02 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Web is essential to fully use Rage rockets as well against frigs. And with rages you get more signature on your self also, makeing your active tank less useful due to less damage mitigateion.
yeah that is true. I used them to see what the pathetic rocket damage could muster, preferably I'll use CN ammo or something
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.02 09:32:00 -
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Oh god I didn't see the Rage. Don't use it. Even with a web and Crash, you won't do 100% damage against an ABing frigate with CN, let alone Rage. Hell, Rage won't deal full damage against a webbed base-speed frigate, even with Crash.
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.02 09:54:00 -
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Not worth it, tbh... you get outdamaged by a Rifter without damage mods.
Consider that other AFs running a AB will have a huge damage reduction even when they're webbed, even if you use CN rockets.
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.10.02 10:06:00 -
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buy an aml carcal or 4
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Wideen
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.10.02 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Not worth it, tbh... you get outdamaged by a Rifter without damage mods.
Consider that other AFs running a AB will have a huge damage reduction even when they're webbed, even if you use CN rockets.
yeah but like I said, it's situational like everything else in this game  this is also a nostalgia trip as the merlin was my first ever frig when I started
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DARTHxFREE
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.10.02 10:15:00 -
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This is what i'm running on the Hawk atm, not a solo fit.
Hawk can't do damage, so don't try make it do so.
I use this for Lure+Tackle were the prey would not have even tried to engadge a ceptor cause thier hard to hit, they don't hesitate to give a shot against an AF.
11.5K ehp
112 regen
50.4 Sig Radius
111 dps <- prety much for killing drones only
[Hawk]
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II
1MN Afterburner II
Small Shield Booster II
Medium Shield Extender II
Warp Scrambler II
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
The Hawk is in need of a big boost, either boost DPS or tank(CPU), since the Hookbill is being reformed to DPS missle frigate, and given thiers plenty DPS from bombers(Missles), I think the Hawk should remain a high tank low dps frig.
ATM the Jaguar is a better tank, because it can boost it's explosive resistance were the hawk needs 2x Anti-EM.
Explosive being a very common source of DPS for frigates.
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fuxinos
Caldari
Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.10.02 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: DARTHxFREE
I think the Hawk should remain a high tank low dps frig.
Tanking is NOT a role, Hawk would remain useless even if it would tank better.
See Vegenace...
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Chienka
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.02 10:40:00 -
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lol assault ships
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.02 11:00:00 -
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The best (and only) way to improve a Hawk is to reprocess it and use the minerals to build a Harpy. It's just a laughably bad ship, with poor dps, impossibly tight fitting, a worthless active tank bonus, and no advantage over the far-superior Harpy.
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Wideen
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.10.02 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
The best (and only) way to improve a Hawk is to reprocess it and use the minerals to build a Harpy. It's just a laughably bad ship, with poor dps, impossibly tight fitting, a worthless active tank bonus, and no advantage over the far-superior Harpy.
the reason to fly it so to do something outside the box and those things you just mentioned are quite the opposite from the harpy which for me is reason enough to give it a go. And not everything is up to the ship so I'm sure if I play it right I could have some good fun despite its inadequacies
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.02 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 02/10/2009 14:05:25
Originally by: Wideen
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
The best (and only) way to improve a Hawk is to reprocess it and use the minerals to build a Harpy. It's just a laughably bad ship, with poor dps, impossibly tight fitting, a worthless active tank bonus, and no advantage over the far-superior Harpy.
the reason to fly it so to do something outside the box and those things you just mentioned are quite the opposite from the harpy which for me is reason enough to give it a go. And not everything is up to the ship so I'm sure if I play it right I could have some good fun despite its inadequacies
Well, even if it can be used to kill something, it has a target list substantially less tehn a Harpy do :(.
The Harp can yns the shield booster as well without the bonus and get an ok tank, but it actualy got the weapons and dps to be a threat.
I can understand the out of the box thing, but the Hawk is not out of the box as much as its under it ,compleatly crushed by the weight og box, if you get what I mean ;)
CCP has stated somewhere I belive that they know rockets underperform. So we might see some changes in Dominion.
So I would wait until then to see what pops out.
As for your fit itself, its decent enough in composition for what you want to do, its just the ship and weapon thats horribly unbalanced ;)
So don't take its as critizing your spesific fit as much as th ship itself, and in this basis I would recomend you away from the ship in teh sense that I truly belive that there ate other better alternatives. Even the new worm might be better simply due to drones.
I got a Hawk in my hanger, from old times, but I never take it our over the Harpy, and Hrpy reminds me more of teh Merlin actually, since merlin is supposed to be a gunnery platform (even tho it suffers grid issues) :D But I digress...
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
The best (and only) way to improve a Hawk is to reprocess it and use the minerals to build a Harpy. It's just a laughably bad ship, with poor dps, impossibly tight fitting, a worthless active tank bonus, and no advantage over the far-superior Harpy.
I bought a Hawk because I wanted to see if it really was as bad as people say it is. I still have my Hawk, because, well, I just haven't gotten around to selling it yet I guess. Everything Merin says is true. Even if you get silly and start to use officer modules and whatnot, a Kestrel will still out-DPS the Hawk. Other AFs will out-tank it AND out-DPS it.
It does make me sad. 
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.10.02 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 02/10/2009 18:06:33
The hawk is absolutly terrible, there is no reason to fly it. Even if you do want to fly an AF, other AF's are better.
1)Rockets are not worth using for any ship. You have to dual web frigates to get reasonable rocket damage on them. Does the hawk have the med slots and fitting for two webs? No.
2)Hawk does less damage than the kestrel. So much for being an 'assault' frigate.
3)Hawk has absurdly tight fitting.
4)Hawk has an active tank bonus it can't use - not enough medium slots, not enough fitting. If it had 5 medium slots and the fitting to use a cap injector mayybe an active tank bonus would be all right.
5) It's other AF bonus is also largely useless. You don't need 60km range on light missiles. (LM's can hit 40km without any kind of ship velocity bonus) and rockets aren't worth using anyway, so the velocity bonus is wasted.
With both the active tank bonus and velocity bonuses wasted, and the damage bonus less than the kestrel gets, its primary weapon systems fubared, and tight fittings, the Hawk is in pretty bad shape.
Let me put it this way: even if CCP changed rockets to be awesome, the Hawk would still suck. (Fly a vengeance instead).
At least the hawk is a nice looking ship!
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Wideen
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.10.02 19:38:00 -
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stop destroying my hawk dreams 
I already fly the vengeance so I'm well aware of the shortcomings of rockets (ccp ffs fix them already).
thanks for all the advice I've received so far \0/ you all have good points
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Natasha Seryushkin
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Posted - 2009.10.02 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Natasha Seryushkin on 02/10/2009 20:12:43
Given that rockets are junk my mate says try 2 blasters and 3 rockets. |
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