I didn't make that up. Someone else imagined it first. Post number 13.

So, why you try to change the way ultimate carebear like me plays EVE?

Its true, not everything you do is PVP in eve. Sitting on your butt on your space couch really isn't pvp.

Just tell me when and I undock my Rokh and warp to nearby asteroid belt.

Zhihatsu's couch lightly scratches your butt for 69 points of damage.

So why can I not can flip noobs in the "sandbox"

O right because it is a sandbox WITH LIMITS....

So ccp can choose what to limit and what to not. I see no reason why HS ganking can not be limited. Here is an idea. Miner can pay concord a SMALL price to come into the belt and sit in it... ALL DAY... boom ganking prices go WAY up as you need WAY more ships.

All the sandbox bullshit needs to stop

You want PVP head over to world of tanks

**** shoots back.

Is this a euphemism for something that I am missing here?

No other MMO offers a single shard and a single economy driven by players where it is easily affordable in game or through real world transaction to an in-game currency (PLEX) to instantly kill a player's investment (also including time, money (subscriptions), effort, and long term investment)

The addition of the T3 BC created a gap not compensated for by by the industrial devs (if there are any left) to create ships that can counter effortless instagib.

Single shooting high value ships with a ship as affordable as a destroyer or a T3 BC while suffering no consequences (the laughable buddy system and a game where multiple simultaneous accounts is both accepted and encouraged with 3 characters given to each account) defeats the purpose of the sandbox.

so why dont the hulkageddoners focus on the botting hotspots. players will all lose ships its a given, but when its a bunch of ones and zeros commanding pilotless ships from a basement computer farm to mine 25/8 well thats not a hisec "whiner" or "bear" thats just dirty ass scum. Kill that crap, wipe them out. Theres your holy crusade, now go forth champions.

Also im still failing to understand where all the ungodly wealth supposedly is in highsec mining. pyroxeres? the odd kernite belt? really? 3-4 hours to pay for a covetor, is 10m an hour really that insane? gee all you guys need to play more if 10m per hour is too much

perhaps not all gankers, but what about the ones who yell without hesitation how all high sec players need to be killed. They send a pretty loud and clear message. And while im not saying highsec should be immune. I think they should first off realise that high sec mining isnt the bountifull bag of goodness they think (except for 25/8 botters). And that thier not champions of a noble cause. Thier kicking kittens, not really anyhting to be proud off. I respect killmails showing fighting ships a hell of alot more than killmails of hulks, mackinaws and industrials.

dont make high sec safe, but drop the acts of "high sec mining is too rich" and "champions of the light"

i'm not joining the bandwagon of delete guns from highsec. In fact i think im guilty of becoming what i actually hate and that is a person who hates another demographic just cause of how they act. I'll get over myself soon enough i hope. I dont hate the act of blowing stuff up, its just the attitudes the most vocal supporters have. Like thier some sort of CCP/Eve saviour crew.

You may be right it could all be just RP and i might just be making myself look like a big ass fail on these forums. Thats something im willing to eat i guess, just like when i lost my last mining ship. If you look me up on those combat board thingo's you'll see i've had almost no pvp experience. But thats not cause im scared to lose a ship, but mostly cause i havent found an enjoyable means of doing it yet.

For the time being i'll just carry on providing the tools pvpers use to do thier thing, and in another 5 days i'll roll out my own tanked hulk and up the output further

No intelligent person has said " let's remove all the danger from the game" or even just from high sec. What they've said that riles your feathers is that suicide ganking is overpowered, the battles are lopsided, and they need to be re-examined... that's all.

Yeah goon is the new bob... great.

"horsepuckey"

Thanks Ruby - I really needed to snort soda through my nose! GODDAM that's funny **** right there man! You should go into standup!

What is stopping me is lack of interest.

Don't know where that came from, or the crack about me whining about GS...

but ok...

And round and round we go. What you are not getting is that the AFK aspect is why some people do mining and other AFK-able pursuits in EVE. If they can't do it, they won't "learn" anything else, they'll just leave.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that CCP wants to have such players in the game. Otherwise mining would not be as it is - it's pretty obviously designed to be one part of the game that's AFK-friendly. Their money is as good as your average EVE mini-me Nietzsche's money

The whingeing (so far as I can see) is not about being ganked per se, it's about a concerted perma-campaign to grief miners.

A player who likes AFK playing has already accepted the compact that they'll occasionally be ganked. Even Hulkageddon per se was cool, because a canny player might take advantage of it, and anyone who was really risk-averse could just sit it out. But a perma-campaign? I doubt it will really do much good in the long run.

I think some of you guys have your heads so far up your metagame that you forget that there are plenty players of EVE for whom such concerns are meaningless, they just want to potter about in a space game. Now, anyone who wants to potter about in EVE to the extent of subscribing to it has to have accepted that they're never absolutely safe (otherwise they really are an idiot), but an OOC campaign specifically targeted against them (for the sake of someone else's silly metagame) is a whole different enchilada.

The imperceptible shift in EVE from a virtual world (where the omnipresent danger is part of the lore) to a game in which winning at all costs is all that matters, is a huge mistake.

It's a monumental stupidity to try to turn EVE into "LOL in Space".