That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out : What does it cost to gank a mammoth, orca or freighter

The reason why I'm in a hauler in the first place is because I'm not a combat pilot, so got little experience in ganking. And was hoping for some rough numbers to keep in mind when filling my hold.

That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out : What does it cost to gank a mammoth, orca or freighter

The reason why I'm in a hauler in the first place is because I'm not a combat pilot, so got little experience in ganking. And was hoping for some rough numbers to keep in mind when filling my hold.

Get to the Orca, put any valuable stuff in the Corp hangar. Install a DCU2 and Bulks in the low slots, while using 1xEM, 1xAdap and 1x XL new shield boosters.

Active tank.

^^

Buffer tank. Always Buffer tank. (in this situation).

Your goal is (in high-sec) to survive until Concord arrived. An Active tank won't help you survive massive alpha. A buffer will. So, LSEs and hardeners.

And don't autopilot. that's asking to be killed.

Hell, just not autopiloting means you're less likely to be ganked.


(Blockade runner with a cloak and 2 nanos is pretty much the way to travel with cargo. Or an covopps if it's /really/ small)

I'm not using a cloaky hauler because I want to trade in bulk. Besides hauling in hi sec with a orca is prefectly plausible as long you don't put too much eggs in one basket. High profit = high risk. So I wanna maximize my profit while keeping the risk below the treshold of being a juicy target.

Did try to find ganked orca kills but only found one kill (which probably is a WT kill and not a gank) on eve-kill.net (nice site btw) and none on Battleclinic. Does anyone have a kill to share?

Red Frog is using a basic rule of thumb of 1 bill Isk worth of goods. So I was goign to use that as a basis. But I was interested in the mechanics behind it. That and the field has changed with the coming of tier 3 BC's.

Besides the pro's a freighter, offers the Orca me more utility and I'm not rich enough nor planning on making enough Isk to earn the investment back to go and buy both ships.

edit #2;
If you want to maximize your profit and reduce risk to zero, you can always put a public courier contract. Most of them get filled within a day or two for minimal pay and reasnoble collateral.

Active tank.

20 seconds until concord arrives?

what?
is that in lowsec?

you're going to get ganked by 15-20 tornados.
Depends on the sec-system they'll get one shot, as if they're loaded with 1400mm's they won't get another shot.
meaning that the fight won't last 20 seconds, it'll last 5 more likely.

that's if anyone's silly enough to gank an orca.

This may look stupid, but do the EFT math before u comment. The time is not the problem, since the orca will not die in seconds. The alternative is simply to put a second adaptive resist on it, but u get more EHP out of the new XL-shield booster. I mean those new modules, there recycle and boost values are immense and fit just right in those 20 seconds till concorde arrive. So yes on an orca new overloaded ancility XL-shield booster is better than a second adaptive resist. Thats mainly because the orca already have a large shield amount and adding a extender wont do any good.

That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out : What does it cost to gank a mammoth, orca or freighter

The reason why I'm in a hauler in the first place is because I'm not a combat pilot, so got little experience in ganking. And was hoping for some rough numbers to keep in mind when filling my hold.

[Orca, Tank Haul]

Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II

EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II <> Large Shield Extender II <> X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

as said above concord reaction doesn't matter in alpha strikes.

You must consider that the stock cycle time for a 1400 howitzer is around 40 seconds.
Even with max skills you get 16 seconds. that means that at best *some* of the gankers will get a 2nd shot.
(unless CONCORD has been spawned elsewhere already, ensuring 2nd strikes for all!)

Going back to the original point, a buffer is normaly better because you can't mis-fire it, you can't forget about using it, you can't use it too soon(or too late), it's just there.

If the gankers know you got something awesome they'll just bring an extra nado
if the gankers are stupid they will normaly fail.

but doesn't it cover pretty much all the options?
i'd stick to buffer :S

@RubyPorto

Yeah seems my numbers are off, overheated u get 270k EHP with 3x Resist vs 260k EHP with the booster. Mhh i was pretty sure i calculated this right...

Oki so buffer still wins, have to refit my Orca than and thx for 10k more HP :)

A pilot can get into a basic Charon (assuming optimized skills, no implants) in 23 days. A pilot can get into a basic Orca (assuming optimized skills; no implants; no skills for mods) in 43 days. The Orca plan includes Mining Barge V, which is a stepping stone for Exhumers and Rorquals but a useless skill for anyone but miners. The freighter skill tree can be used for industrials, transports, and jump freighters, all of which are useful to a trader. The EHP of the Orca and max cargo hold are support skill dependent, so you'll need those skills too.

An Orca, maxed out with 2 T2 cargo expanders and 2 T2 and 1 T1 cargo rigs can haul 100.9k m3 in its cargohold, 40k in the corp bay, and 400k in its ship maintenance bay (ships must be assembled though). The ore bay is only good for ore. The total unrestricted cargo capacity is 140.9k m3,but it's misleading because large volume items like a BS are too big for the corp bay. A maxed out Orca you could carry exactly 2 packaged BS. The ship maintenance bay cannot hold an assembled BS. It can hold 1 BC. At most it could only hold 20 assembled frigates--the equivalent of 50k m3 if those same frigates were packaged.

Today an Orca is selling for 435 million. A maxed out Orca would cost ~1 billion total (580 mil for the 2 T2 rigs and 18mil for the T1 = ~600 mill in rigs). Using all T1 rigs lowers the price to ~490 million (500mill or more with fittings) and it drops the max volume of the main cargo hold to ~92k m3. The total volume of unrestricted cargo space is ~133k m3 and 400k m3 for assembled ships. Using the 50k m3 of packaged frigates measure mentioned above, thats roughly 183k m3. We'll round to 200k m3 even though the ore bay can only be used for ore. The Orca cost is roughly 2500 ISK per m3 of cargo space (much more for unrestricted space).

Today a Charon is selling for 815 million. A max volume Charon carries ~981k m3. It does not use mods or rigs and the pilot doesn't need skills for them. It can be used to move assembled ships using courier contracts. It's cargo hold is unrestricted space but cannot hold assembled cans other than GFCs (this can be side stepped with courier contracts). It can hold two assembled BS of most types. It can hold 19 packaged BS. The Charon costs roughly 830 ISK per m3 of cargo space.

The Orca's total hauling capacity is less than 25% of the Charon; it has restrictions on types of cargo per hold; it's unrestricted space is not sufficient to carry large items. It takes twice as long to train. It's skill tree is only good for mining specialization. It's skill tree doesn't actually include standard haulers.

If you trained 1 Charon pilot and 1 Orca pilot and then ran the Orca and Charon at max capacity for one trip each, the freighter would cost 25% less per m3 hauled and it would have taken less time to train.