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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:04:00 -
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CCP Recurve is known for keeping a close eye on the economy and how it reflects your various undertakings. Check out his latest price indices blog, complete with sexy graphs!
CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
711
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:09:00 -
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Seems we should buy on the announcement, sell on deployment.
Edit: First! http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
PinkKnife
The Scope Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:30:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Seems we should buy on the announcement, sell on deployment.
Edit: First!
If the announcement has to do with minerals, then aye.
Most everything else is pretty easy.
New ships, buy in jita, move to other trade hubs that lag behind and make boats of isk.
I made about 200m moving Oracles from jita to Rens in Crucible.
I'd like to hear the analysis on T2 prices whenever recurve has some free time. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
711
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:38:00 -
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Aye, I was looking at minerals. I did not do a mineral investment, but I did notice that ice did not spike with the other minerals. So before Hulkaggedon, that's what I invested in. Not a big investment, but I did come out 1 billion ahead. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
452
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:46:00 -
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hurrrr guys burn Jita and Hulkageddon have been such terrible failures and haven't affected the game at all hurrrrrr Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Iniquita
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
75
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:49:00 -
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Any information about how the recently formed Technetium cartel has affected these indexes. Technetium is up nearly 70k/ a unit since the beginning of march |
Celebris Nexterra
Lowsec Static
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:53:00 -
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I fully support suicide ganking being possible and common, but I think Hulks need a bit of a tank buff. They're just huge targets with nary the ability to move, and aside from not mining or not fitting mining lasers, it's nearly impossible for them to avoid getting ganked. Seems a bit silly that 3 Thrashers (total value ~30mil) can easily gank something that costs 180mil+. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
376
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:05:00 -
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This just proves how wrong the doomsayers really are. They predicted that such events would cause the market to go out of control, but as the graphs show (thank you, CCP Recurve), the market simply finds a "new equilibrium". Another example of "the invisible hand" theory at work as characterized by Adam Smith when he authored the book "Wealth of Nations". Adapt or Die |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1120
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:28:00 -
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lol @ lowsec mining stats |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:33:00 -
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Celebris Nexterra wrote:I fully support suicide ganking being possible and common, but I think Hulks need a bit of a tank buff. They're just huge targets with nary the ability to move, and aside from not mining or not fitting mining lasers, it's nearly impossible for them to avoid getting ganked. Seems a bit silly that 3 Thrashers (total value ~30mil) can easily gank something that costs 180mil+.
the cost of your ship isn't part of its tank, hope this helps eh |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:39:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:This just proves how wrong the doomsayers really are. They predicted that such events would cause the market to go out of control, but as the graphs show (thank you, CCP Recurve), the market simply finds a "new equilibrium". Another example of "the invisible hand" theory at work as characterized by Adam Smith when he authored the book "Wealth of Nations".
Markets don't go out of control. Just have to follow them and then you can make billions at patch release.
A great thank you to all those who made me stupid amounts of money on this expansion!
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
804
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:41:00 -
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There's a wide array of risk and speculative positions you can take on things. The risk is in buying something when it's announced, or worse yet, when the devs are speculating on the future. Those kind of long term positions can be very lucrative or it can just fail to materialize and then you might be left taking a small hit if the other people doing what you are get out first. That said, being in commodities is a classic hedge against inflation... so the worst case scenario isn't that bleak. I'm sorry I missed the PI gravy train. There are some neat things they mentioned at fanfest I'm trading on for the winter expansion though. EvE keeps ya busy...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:54:00 -
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GǪyes, wellGǪ what good is fuel if you don't burn it? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Haifisch Zahne
HZ Corp
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:46:00 -
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The dev blog leaves out a number of important points.
First, the graph for Mined Volume took a major bath after Inferno and has not recovered to pre-Hulkageddon (formerly Hoaxageddon) numbers. Can anyone say, Unified Inventory sucks and miners are only slowly starting to get any work done again?
And, yet, even with Mined Volume down for months, prices have fallen and continue to fall since April's high. Yet, CCP Recurve writes, "Hulkageddon suppresses the supply of minerals, which forces prices upwards." Until hoarded minerals are sold off, we won't know whether mined volume has affected prices *or* the nerf to meta 0 loot.
Second, CCP has been on a major push to get Inflation under control. At Fanfest, CCP's resident economist spoke of the ISK sinks and faucets, and how CCP would, with Escalation and Inferno, begin to open up the sinks (e.g., increased fees/taxes, etc.) and close the faucets (e.g., Incursion changes, etc.).
The Eve Economy is a balance sheet with total ISK on one side and total Goods on the other side, with the "ephemeral" PLEX thrown in. PLEX is injected into the game with real money, not player in-game interaction, and is then consumed for game time. At Fanfest, the other side of the balance sheet, Goods, was never discussed, only the ISK faucets and sinks, i.e., total ISK in-game.
Burn Jita and Hulkageddon destroyed large amounts of in-game Goods. And, CCP is drying up the total amount of ISK in-game. And, CCP Recurve has said nothing about the ephemeral PLEX: supply, demand and prices.
With so little of the total picture drawn, just Minerals, CCP's projection of 2-3 months to recovery is "optimistic", if not purely fanciful. |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:56:00 -
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Haifisch Zahne wrote: Can anyone say, Unified Inventory sucks and miners are only slowly starting to get any work done again? More like the unified inventory completely screwed up botting software which wasn't prepared to handle the new interface. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge
131
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:07:00 -
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http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/62806/1/Mined_Volume_-_2.png
Yeah, hulkageddon didn't slow the drop of mineral prices...the Inventory system did it....that is really sad, your broken system did more dmg than the GOONS!!!!
Also, to the comment about the bots...all the bots i had tagged seemed to be back up and running within 2 days, their owners just likely needed to add a few lines for (minimize this thing....after every action...)
The blog doesn't mention how despite all the intentions of Goons and HA-V....the overall prices for most things have only gone down since the "burn" even though they had slowly climbed throughout the year.
I also want to see a blog about the ratio of newb ships/dessies that were piloted by Goons...b/c thats all that was popping up on the KB for the "Burn" event...then the occasional freighter which happens on a regular basis anyways. In my travels in/out of Jita that day, it actually seemed safer than normal, if you weren't a Goon...in a cheap ship... http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing -á-á < Unified Inventory is NOT ready... |
Nevigrofnu Mrots
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:32:00 -
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Panhead4411 wrote:http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/62806/1/Mined_Volume_-_2.png
Yeah, hulkageddon didn't slow the drop of mineral prices...the Inventory system did it....that is really sad, your broken system did more dmg than the GOONS!!!!
damage... to all the bot miners that stop working |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 23:30:00 -
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When some people notice a fire, their instinctive reaction is to reach for a bucket of fuel. Many of those people play EVE.
and most of them are Goons |
Swidgen
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.06.08 23:37:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:lol @ lowsec mining stats lol @ wormhole mining stats
Let this put an end once and for all to the notion that wormhole minerals need to be nerfed. There just ain't that much there, folks. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
377
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Posted - 2012.06.09 00:31:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:lol @ lowsec mining stats
the interesting thing is now low sec would be safer the high sec to mine...
you have low local counts better ores and if you are attacked just as likely to die... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
224
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Posted - 2012.06.09 01:33:00 -
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OK CCP ReCURVE what where the numbers for the ISK Faucets/sinks broken down for May? I'm curious if the Drone bounties outpaced the Incursion nerf payouts & if WH 'blue loots' increased with pilots scuttering around for new sources of income. CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
126
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Posted - 2012.06.09 03:08:00 -
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So in short, you replaced a mineral faucet with an ISK faucet just before a major player event which suppressed the remaining source of minerals, which quite obviously led to both price inflation and monetary devaluation. Individual player real income went down just as real prices were going through the roof.
But good to know that you're keeping an eye on the overall EVE economy. Just hope we're not going to run into full-on stagflation.
I'd definitely be interested in a breakdown of ISK inflows/outflows, especially broken down by activity and region. I'd be very surprised if the nerf to incursions wasn't more than offset by the addition of rogue drone bounties. |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2012.06.09 03:09:00 -
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Golly, the CCP documented single digit price increases, etc. are so quaint. Crazy how the gear that I use, need and for which I trained has gone up in price by 50 - 500% over the past 6 - 12 months.
In my small world, costs have skyrocketed with little-to-no reciprocation in earnings potential. What a great business opportunity for CCP to sell me GTCs so that I can cash them in for ISK, you say?
"Not on your life," as Arnie once said.
I used to buy GTCs with disposable RL income as a way to ISK up. No way that's going to happen with CCP's recent Inventory ****-up and egotistical treatment of their customers. Hilmar's 'humility blog' from last Fall falls completely flat with how CCP released Inferno. 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284286 |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
3679
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Posted - 2012.06.09 05:33:00 -
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So that's how my mineral investment dropped lol
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Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
72
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Posted - 2012.06.09 09:59:00 -
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Aryth wrote:When some people notice a fire, their instinctive reaction is to reach for a bucket of fuel. Many of those people play EVE.
and most of them are Goons
not likely. why would people that set fire go for the buckets? |
Shobon Welp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2012.06.09 10:14:00 -
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Alice Katsuko wrote: Just hope we're not going to run into full-on stagflation. Why would that be a bad thing for Eve? Please answer taking into account that this is a pretend spaceship game, and unlike in the real world, nobody goes hungry or loses their job when it occurs. |
BleedingAngl
Twist The Rusty Knife
1
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:04:00 -
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Shobon Welp wrote:Alice Katsuko wrote: Just hope we're not going to run into full-on stagflation. Why would that be a bad thing for Eve? Please answer taking into account that this is a pretend spaceship game, and unlike in the real world, nobody goes hungry or loses their job when it occurs.
apart from people at ccp loose their job |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:22:00 -
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BleedingAngl wrote:Shobon Welp wrote:Alice Katsuko wrote: Just hope we're not going to run into full-on stagflation. Why would that be a bad thing for Eve? Please answer taking into account that this is a pretend spaceship game, and unlike in the real world, nobody goes hungry or loses their job when it occurs. apart from people at ccp loose their job Is that because subscriptions are either stagnant or decrease? I am not following your line of thinking, tbh.
If the in-game economy suffers severe stagflation and RL subscription rates start to suffer, then are there not tools or design tweaks that CCP could use to massage the in-game economy into better health? 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284286 |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Tribal Conclave
130
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:37:00 -
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" It should prove interesting to watch it recover over the next 2 to 3 months. "
Then we get another fuel bucket!!! Moon minerals on planetary belts and Ice Comets roaming every system with good industrial index???
I can't wait for that!!!! |
Shobon Welp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2012.06.09 18:55:00 -
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BleedingAngl wrote:Shobon Welp wrote:Alice Katsuko wrote: Just hope we're not going to run into full-on stagflation. Why would that be a bad thing for Eve? Please answer taking into account that this is a pretend spaceship game, and unlike in the real world, nobody goes hungry or loses their job when it occurs. apart from people at ccp loose their job
Why does stagflation in a virtual spaceship economy cause CCP employees to lose their jobs in real life? Does CCP pay its developers in asteroid minerals now? |
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