wtf NOT a James315 thread?

And you got it backwards. the gankers are risk averse cause they cant be prevented from doing what they want by being killed first. Also the whole attacking ppl with no weapons.

as far as CONCORD, thats called a business expense. Not a risk. They arent risking their ships as its a certainty that they WILL be destroyed.

So everyone is risk averse then?

So, uh, what ships in the game are impossible to suicide gank?

I'm guessing titans maybe?

apparently you don't read so well
nobody said its impossible to tank against one guy in highsec, I said quite the opposite
"a tanked hulk is about as good as nothing to anything more then a single ganker"

what I said is anything more than that is impossible due to restricted CPU and grid and the notion expressed by people who gank in groups, that tank will help, is very misleading.

I'll forget your slip up since you are apparently one of the new recruits and don't know when your calling one of your own allies a bear

I was going for the technicality but considering the level of discourse I abandoned that angle because I didn't expect anyone to be quick enough mentally to pick up on it.

IF you can prove it
Otherwise there are too many recycles and not enough CCP to handle them
IE "the logs, they show nothing"

catalyst should be doing over 700 DPS hot and you can force extend the response time of concord to well beyond 20 seconds in .5 space. Come on people learn a little or at least do a little testing before making comments about stuff.

An untanked hulk is easy prey for a well setup catalyst even in .9 space (1.0 space should be easy too but it's no guarantee).

HERPDERP reading comprehension is difficult.

It was painfully obvious that you don't mine as only someone without actual experience in the game would suggest what you're suggesting. So you spend all that time getting your bookmarks and your mining pattern down. Guess what? All that work is only going to save you once (oh and space drift). So you basically are wasting WAAAAy to much time maping stuff out when you should just buy a plex and call it a day.


Reading is difficult I realize but I'll try to inform you one more time. I've never been successfully suicide ganked. My hulks have tanks RR Buffs and ECM drones as defense. I also keep DSCAN up set for max range on the orca and one of the hulks set for a shorter range so I can better tell where people are going. I have been entertained by some really spectacularly bad gank attempts though. If it didn't take so much time and effort I'd actually intentional bait gankers just to kill them. I've got better things to do with my time though.


EDIT : Basically you're wasting your time on inefficient countermeasures..

Anything anybody suggests that doesn't involve sitting AFK around a jet can or an Orce is stupid, though.

Even if it means the miner can mine with no risk, it appears as though the average miner will avoid any strategy that does not permit them to mine AFK risk-free.

Edit: Further, if you always use my technique, there is no real reason to fit a tank. Meaning stupid miners could be fitting for max-yield and still mine in absolute safety.

But mining while aligned? That's absurd...

I don't care neither about what they will end up doing, nor about what you believe is the way they should play.

I put in simple, written text why they won't EVER bother following your advice.
That's it. I don't have to agree or disagree, like I don't have to agree or disagree if sky should be blue or not. It's just blue.

Only bots can't adapt, and high-sec mining is bigger ISK than it used to be.

You still don't get it.

The day mining will pay more than incursions, a new brand of miners might do it.
The current ones, though, were here for the AFK not for the good pay.

The perspective is: "I could make 60M per hour if I focused on it, but I prefer earning 10M per hour x 6 completely AFK hours so I can ALT TAB work / study / whatever".

Only once you drill into their mindset, then you can hope to "convert" more than one.

if you are getting ganked a lot you should move.

Who cares?

Fine, I'm risk averse, I'm still gonna shoot your ass ^^

God, dude
I reply to OP's

Unless I quote you specifically I'm not responding to whatever crap you post.

Another false premise. Who said CCP should?


Let me make another easy example.

A vendor sells apples and oranges.
Many buy apples, many buy oranges.

One day the vendor stops selling oranges.

Those who bought oranges choose: switch into buying apples or find another vendor.
It's so simple, I can't imagine how people don't get this basic concept.