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Nuthyn
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Posted - 2009.10.06 21:01:00 -
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Is this true or was it just some troll on the Battleclinic Forums????
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.10.06 21:02:00 -
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Go back to WOW, Troll.
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Korovyov
Cool Story Bro
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Posted - 2009.10.06 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nuthyn Is this true or was it just some troll on the Battleclinic Forums????
This is the website that flames people for posting non-cookiecutter fits, right? ------------------------- Have Rocket, Will Travel. |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.10.06 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Korovyov
Originally by: Nuthyn Is this true or was it just some troll on the Battleclinic Forums????
This is the website that flames people for posting non-cookiecutter fits, right?
Thats because noone wants a potential target to be properly fit. As far as the level 4 missions they are in all levels of space. Only the top quality agents are in low sec.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.10.06 21:23:00 -
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You mean Level 5's to highsec? ---
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Nuthyn
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Posted - 2009.10.06 21:37:00 -
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Sorry... I am not a troll. Please REREAD the post.
I didn't hear or read anything about level 5s????
...and I don't play WOW. I do run 2 EVE accounts. Maybe you should cool it on the "Internet Testosterone????"
It was a real question by a real player. I have run a few level 4s, but I mostly do the RnD and market stuff. It is a game of choice BTW.
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Gunship
Amarr Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2009.10.06 22:16:00 -
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I hope they do, only lvl 1 and 2 should be in 0.1 or higher
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wickedpheonix
Caldari Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
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Posted - 2009.10.06 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gunship I hope they do, only lvl 1 and 2 should be in 0.1 or higher
Better yet, let's just get rid of high sec altogether
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Bethany Blaze
Amarr Cool Story Bro
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Posted - 2009.10.06 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: wickedpheonix
Originally by: Gunship I hope they do, only lvl 1 and 2 should be in 0.1 or higher
Better yet, let's just get rid of high sec altogether
Personally, I think we should have negative sec. _________ You, too, can have an Internet meme under your name. |
Korovyov
Cool Story Bro
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Posted - 2009.10.06 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: wickedpheonix Better yet, let's just get rid of high sec altogether
CONCORD? **** the police! Pigs always be oppressin' my expressin'. I bust a charge in their ***!
-gets face melted off by Concord frigate- ------------------------- Have Rocket, Will Travel. |
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MollyPuss
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Posted - 2009.10.06 22:28:00 -
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lets just all have lots of secs
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.10.06 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: MollyPuss lets just all have lots of secs
This ^^
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Nevenda'ar
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Posted - 2009.10.06 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: MollyPuss lets just all have lots of secs
This ^^
In that case, it's the hot sexy manlove 'secs' you are asking for, cuz we all know who is behind that chicks portrait
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Troye
Gallente Intelligent Concepts Inc SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2009.10.06 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nevenda'ar
cuz we all know who is behind that chicks portrait
Realy?
Who? I heard a rumour hugh Jackman played EVE but that was awhile ago. _______________________________________ [a cool picture here] |
Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2009.10.06 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 06/10/2009 22:48:13
Originally by: wickedpheonix
Originally by: Gunship I hope they do, only lvl 1 and 2 should be in 0.1 or higher
Better yet, let's just get rid of high sec altogether
And remove insurens payout as soon as concord is involved.
And remove all moonmining.
And as soon as your secure status went below 0 Concord hunts you, below -0.5 you are jailed for 6 month (real time!!),
If you steel stuff you allready get a secure hit of -0.3.
If you scam someone and it is noticed you get a secure hit of -0.5 ak jailed.
If you destroy a mining barg or hauler you get a secure hit of -0.5 ak jailed.
To be realistic ... without highsec you would see player count drob to 500 (everage 00 popularity now) within one week. After the second week to maybe 100 as the other 400 have no ships/fitting anymore. After 3 weeks EvE servers are shut down.
Get it man, highsec isn't the problem ... 00 and lowsec players are the problem as they act like axxes all the time. Noone with brain want to play with axxes except other axxes. So you either have to be more friendly (which wont happen) or you have to live with the fact that you are most times alone ;)
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MollyPuss
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Posted - 2009.10.06 22:49:00 -
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You are all very naughty and should go tell yourselves off in the mirror! :)
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.06 23:36:00 -
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That probably already happens ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited! |
JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.10.06 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 06/10/2009 23:43:45
Originally by: Jojo Jackson Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 06/10/2009 22:48:13
Originally by: wickedpheonix
Originally by: Gunship I hope they do, only lvl 1 and 2 should be in 0.1 or higher
Better yet, let's just get rid of high sec altogether
And remove insurens payout as soon as concord is involved.
And remove all moonmining.
And as soon as your secure status went below 0 Concord hunts you, below -0.5 you are jailed for 6 month (real time!!),
If you steel stuff you allready get a secure hit of -0.3.
If you scam someone and it is noticed you get a secure hit of -0.5 ak jailed.
If you destroy a mining barg or hauler you get a secure hit of -0.5 ak jailed.
To be realistic ... without highsec you would see player count drob to 500 (everage 00 popularity now) within one week. After the second week to maybe 100 as the other 400 have no ships/fitting anymore. After 3 weeks EvE servers are shut down.
Get it man, highsec isn't the problem ... 00 and lowsec players are the problem as they act like axxes all the time. Noone with brain want to play with axxes except other axxes. So you either have to be more friendly (which wont happen) or you have to live with the fact that you are most times alone ;)
Hi sec is not a problem it self , its how much you can earn there.
Why bother going anywhere if you can pull off 30 mil/per hour (lvl4) risk free ?
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.10.06 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Why bother going anywhere if you can pull off 30 mil/per hour (lvl4) risk free ?
Because there are more interesting things to do with your play time than blow up the same NPCs over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Level 4 missions reward you handsomely for wasting your playtime on the second most boring thing you can possibly be doing in EVE. The first most boring thing being station spinning. Mining and Ice Harvesting are less boring, since you get to watch DVDs or play Wii Fit while you're semi-AFK.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.10.07 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Why bother going anywhere if you can pull off 30 mil/per hour (lvl4) risk free ?
Because there are more interesting things to do with your play time than blow up the same NPCs over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Level 4 missions reward you handsomely for wasting your playtime on the second most boring thing you can possibly be doing in EVE. The first most boring thing being station spinning. Mining and Ice Harvesting are less boring, since you get to watch DVDs or play Wii Fit while you're semi-AFK.
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Why bother going anywhere if you can pull off 30 mil/per hour (lvl4) risk free ?
Because there are more interesting things to do with your play time than blow up the same NPCs over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Level 4 missions reward you handsomely for wasting your playtime on the second most boring thing you can possibly be doing in EVE. The first most boring thing being station spinning. Mining and Ice Harvesting are less boring, since you get to watch DVDs or play Wii Fit while you're semi-AFK.
You missing the point. Whats better if you want to make isks.
* missioning in hi sec getting 30mil per hour risk free
* or some slightly better number than 30 in 0.0 doing x acticity while you have to : - deal with roaming gangs, pirates etc. - dying now and than - logistics
ITS just not worth , its much bettrer to have hi sec missioning alt.
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Rhohan
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2009.10.07 00:22:00 -
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Trying to force someone into gameplay that they are not interested in at that time will probably hurt the game more than it helps.
Reducing the isk rate of hi-sec missions is a way of trying to force someone into specific gameplay.
Most people who promote such ideas are into it more for their personal enjoyment than what would actually be healthier for the game.
Not everyone wants to pvp all the time.
And, they pay full sub price just like you, so that means more money for future game development in Eve or what ever else CCP wants to invest their profits in.
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.07 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/10/2009 00:33:04
Originally by: Rhohan
Trying to force someone into gameplay that they are not interested in at that time will probably hurt the game more than it helps.
And there are no alts grinding missions for ISK to fund their low-sec/0.0 mains in high-sec because money is better there... at all!
Protip: if you do missions "for fun" then the payout being lower doesn't really matter much. If you're doing them to fund your PVP main, then high-sec should be a inferior choice for ISK making.
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Nuthyn
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Posted - 2009.10.07 00:33:00 -
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Sorry guys...
I was actually looking for an answer to my query.
I am not a troll. I was looking for data. I heard/read about the new 11% tax thingy. Someone posted a link, I read it, I moved on.
I heard/read the above post about Level 4s and I am assuming it is hype, but I am curious for answers.... not the standard "I am a low sec emo rage dude, watch me roar!!!"
Thank you for posting about the fact that level 4s exist in low and high sec. I did know this, but had forgotten. I also did not know that low sec quality was a bit highter than high sec.
Thanks again.
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Tetragammatron Prime
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Posted - 2009.10.07 00:43:00 -
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I heard the opposite...all empire faction agents are moving to high sec to be under concord protection since pirate lvl1-4 agents will be taking over low sec space.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.10.07 00:43:00 -
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Lvl 4's are not moving. --------------------------
WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls. |
Nuthyn
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Posted - 2009.10.07 01:01:00 -
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Thank you Obsidian.
Fly safe everyone!!!
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Erik Amirault
Gallente 543
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Posted - 2009.10.07 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Bethany Blaze
Originally by: wickedpheonix
Originally by: Gunship I hope they do, only lvl 1 and 2 should be in 0.1 or higher
Better yet, let's just get rid of high sec altogether
Personally, I think we should have negative sec.
Perhaps Sleepers warping in on any fights involving more than 10 people? I like that actually :)
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.07 04:04:00 -
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all ccp need to do is double the rewads for low sec agents from what they are now. Increase the incidents of single bs spawns. And more players would move
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.07 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nuthyn Sorry ... I am not a troll ...and I don't play WOW. I do run 2 EVE accounts.
In that case, why not just your corp mates or in some other chat channel instead of making a post here?
I myself have not heard CCP say anything about moving L4s to low-sec and I doubt they ever would.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.10.07 05:13:00 -
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Successful troll. 8/10 -- Eventus stultorum magister. |
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Peryner
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.10.07 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rhohan
Trying to force someone into gameplay that they are not interested in at that time
how is risk vs. reward forcing people into gameplay?
I mean, you don't have to PvP in 0.0, the whole idea of the new expansion is to pump tons of PvE content into 0.0. You will make twice as much in 0.0 and the guys that let you PvE in that system will get 10% of what you make will go to the people that own that space.
you make twice as much money, and they get to upgrade their systems.
and to not get killed just stay in the system your host owns, and keep their information channel open so you know when the system is under attack. honestly, if your just PvEing in 0.0, and you die, you just need to be less AFK.
The idea isn't to FROCe you to do anything, the idea is to say, hey look! if you risk more isk you make more isk.
Your argument is that your at a casino, and there is one table where you always win without risk! then one day the compnay takes the table down, because they noticed that no one wants to play the gamble games anymore becasue it's free money.
By increasign the money you can make at those risk tables in NO WAY makes you go to those tables.
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Cadde
Gallente FireworX
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Posted - 2009.10.07 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba *snip* ... As far as the level 4 missions they are in all levels of space. Only the top quality agents are in low sec.
FAIL. There are LVL 4 Quality 20 agents in High sec. Check Zorrabed for example!
With that said... Even I, who is a pro LVL 4 grinder, agree that the risk vs reward ratio is completely messed up and even CCP touched that subject during the fanfest. I wouldn't go as far as saying lvl 4 agents should be moved to low sec or 0.0 but i do think the missions are either TOO easy to grind, same thing over and over with no risk/surprise element. Or they are too profitable giving way too much bounties and loot/minerals/salvage and even on top of all that LP's to buy their faction gear. It's just way too easy to collect wealth in highsec from such an abundant resource!
If CCP took 25% to 50% of the profitability of highsec missions and moved that isk generation to low sec and 0.0 and made it so there was a limit to how many missions one avatar could do during a certain timeframe (do prevent farming, especially high profit farming by 0.0 "tough guys") it would give more people an incentive to move further out into the risky areas of eve. ... Well, that or people emoragequit because they can't singleplayer eve and gather their 50 billion isk that they set out to do only to get completely bored when they reach 30 or 40 bil and quit anyways.
Another option is to just scrap the whole mission deal completely and give exploration a boost by transferring all that stuff there. And for the love of god, make it so it takes more than just lvl 1 astrometrics to find the good stuff and also require some items to unlock some gates, these items can be acquired from agents in exchange for tags and LP. And LP itself is gained by trading tags for said LP.
Either way, going too far off topic... But zeba was wrong. That's why i posted at all!
My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
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Kaalen
Caldari Shards of Apathy
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: Nuthyn Sorry ... I am not a troll ...and I don't play WOW. I do run 2 EVE accounts.
In that case, why not just your corp mates or in some other chat channel instead of making a post here?
I myself have not heard CCP say anything about moving L4s to low-sec and I doubt they ever would.
For anyone that isn't aware of where this topic came from, moving level 4 missions to low sec was apparantly discussed at a roundtable at the fanfest. Which means nothing at all, really, but everyone who read the topic lost their minds.
I sincerely doubt that it will happen but I personally support the idea, or at least something like it. Right now it isn't worth the risk to go to low sec for missions, I should be able to earn significantly more money by putting myself at risk. Perhaps the rewards you get from missions should be altered by how "dangerous" a system is, i.e. how many ships/pods have been destroyed in the past week/month/whatever. If I was being offered the same job by two different people in real life, but one of them required me to go through a war zone, I would expect that person to offer me a LOT more money for my troubles.
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Anslo
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:58:00 -
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Who the hell do you people think you are? I don't want to go to 0.0 or lowsec, and I like making my isk, like the thousands of other L4 grinders. We like seeing our wallets go up. Jealous we make more than you with no risk? Deal with it. All this bull**** about "NERF L4 HIGHSEC HURRDURR" is basically people butthurt that carebears make more money than them. Guess what, life sucks then you die. Low sec has its own agents and way to make money, I know of a nice L4 Q20 I even run sometimes. But guess what? I don't ****ing care, because I have to watch local the whole damn time and warp to a station and dock every 10 ***damn minutes. Highsec carebears like missioning, we like making our risk free isk, and guess what, we're the majority. CCP knows if they change this anymore past the 11% npc tax rate (which is ALSO B.S. imo), they'll be loosing subscribers, including myself (No you cannot have anything of mine). I stopped playing every other MMO because the company continually meddled in the gameplay of the players, essentially saying "YOU'RE PLAYING OUR WAY ONLY." I quickly canceled subscriptions with them. CCP struck me as amazing because...they didn't interfere. The market, the game, everything is driven by us now, and THAT appealed to me greatly. Aside from the typical story line event to move things along, the devs stayed out of it. And if an expansion came, the changes and additions the made added to the game well. It balanced it. Changing and nerfing L4's won't balance anything, it'll just give lowsec/0.0 pilots more targets, which is the ONLY damn reason you jack***es want this to happen. CCP knows this, but I'll warn them again.
Continue to nerf L4s, and you WILL loose a substantial number of subscribers, including me. The rest of you whining "L4 highsec needs nerf DDD:" can fly into jita's corona.
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Jukhta Mein
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
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Posted - 2009.10.07 13:05:00 -
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Is this called a slippery slope?
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