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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2009.10.07 00:28:00 -
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I am wondering what people's opinion's are on training to be able to fly all T3 ships. I have this character: http://eve-sheet.com/skills/Q_Sertorius
I am a couple of weeks away from training all the essential support skills I could identify. Are there any support skills that I should train up higher on this account? All I have left is Electronic Warfare V, Hacking IV and Archaeology IV.
My intent is then to respec and begin training Perception/Willpower skills to get cross-trained in all racial cruisers, BCs, HACs, Recons, CS, and BS.
Before I respec, I would like people's opinions on whether it is worth the time to train the subsystem skills that use Intelligence/Memory. I could see myself using T3 ships in the future, but I am more likely to stick with T2 cruisers for the time being. It looks to be about 2 weeks for each race to train the Intelligence/Memory subsystems to V.
Also, what Cruiser V should I train first?
...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
N Ano
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.07 00:32:00 -
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I Would go for t3 first
 Originally by: Blane Xero
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hauntingappiriton
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Posted - 2009.10.07 01:50:00 -
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T3 for what missions you rich gonna pvp with it? If not pvp don't waste your time and isk get a marauder much better
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2009.10.07 03:43:00 -
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Keep in mind that I can already fly a Marauder of each race on my various characters (and have two cap pilots). Making ISK is not an issue. I can get as much as I need. I just want to know what people's thoughts are on whether it is worth the training time for T3 before I respec.
...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
ShadowGod56
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Posted - 2009.10.07 06:26:00 -
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Edited by: ShadowGod56 on 07/10/2009 06:26:02
Originally by: FT Diomedes
Keep in mind that I can already fly a Marauder of each race on my various characters (and have two cap pilots). Making ISK is not an issue. I can get as much as I need. I just want to know what people's thoughts are on whether it is worth the training time for T3 before I respec.
yes, its worth it
the Tengu is like an agile drake that can pump out 500 dps with heavy missiles
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Janice Jankowski
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Posted - 2009.10.07 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: FT Diomedes
Also, what Cruiser V should I train first?
Which one are you likely to use first?
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Muad' Dib
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.10.07 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 07/10/2009 09:25:52
T3 is not another level above T2; T3 is a sidestep, a shortcut. You got one rank 6 skill to train to 4, 5 support skills Rank I to train to 5, and you have a ship that can do any of the jobs of the Command/Recon/HAC/Logistic class without the need to train for them - except for maybe the fleet command. Off-c for this you pay the price - more expensive ship, but you should always get t3 first and then t2 cruiser/bc hulls.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.07 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 07/10/2009 09:45:41
T3 can be very nice, for some things. Not all things.
Imo, I do missions quicker in a BS then a T3, but a T3 can be a real nasty PVP ship if used right.
It can pull of RR as well, but lack of range might sometimes be a problem in bigger more mobile gangs.
EWAR it is does poorly on some ships imo. The bonuses for the Tengu at least to ECM is less then a BB. If you want to use ECM, use a proper ECM ship, and Rook/Falcon does it sooo much better then a Tengu for less isk. Minmatars web range however is different, it has uses if fitted right, and Gallente WD/Scram range can be pretty win as well. Legions neut bonus I have looked too little into, but I think a Curse is superior in all ways from the initial look.
Sniping is does worse then T2 as well.
But what it does pull off great is medium range, high dps high tank.
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Giannamichaels
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Posted - 2009.10.07 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowGod56
Edited by: ShadowGod56 on 07/10/2009 06:26:02
Originally by: FT Diomedes
Keep in mind that I can already fly a Marauder of each race on my various characters (and have two cap pilots). Making ISK is not an issue. I can get as much as I need. I just want to know what people's thoughts are on whether it is worth the training time for T3 before I respec.
yes, its worth it
the Tengu is like an agile drake that can pump out 500 dps with heavy missiles
only 500 dps, more like 750+ 500 is pathetic for a tengu
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crazygirly
Caldari
Frontier Digital Nexus
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Posted - 2009.10.07 13:52:00 -
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im at 730 dps atm. its a nice versatile modular ship that is capable of several roles. But mainly its a mission runner and does the job very good. When it comes to w-space, its capable of soloing up to class 3. Im planning on testing class 4 in my Tengu. Getting those subsystems skills to lvl5 really makes a difference.
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2009.10.07 17:21:00 -
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The thing about the skill pre-reqs for T3 is that it's racial Cruiser V plus a load of level 1 engineering/electronics/tanking/combat skills for the subsystems - skills that you should train up to 5 anyway. So while t3 needs more skills on paper they're skills you should already have, whereas it's quite possible to be effective without training weapon upgrades to V (although having done that it's a very nice thing to have).
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2009.10.08 01:45:00 -
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Thank you for the few responses I've received. The consensus seems to be that it is worth it to train for T3. Considering that I already have all the prerequisites for all the subsystems, I suppose I'll go ahead and get them out of the way before respeccing the character.
For those who actually looked at Q Sertorius through the inEve link: did you see any glaring holes in his training? Any Intelligence/Memory skills that I'm going to slap myself six months from now and say "Jeez, I wish I had that!" Any other skills that are not Perception/Willpower that I should train?
I love Eve because you have so many choices, but it also gets a bit overwhelming at times.
Given that I already have Minmatar Cruiser V, which should be the next Cruiser V to go for? People seem to be suggesting that the Tengu is the best of the lot, so I am inclined towards the Caldari route. Any good reason not to make it my next goal?
...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
Koloch
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:21:00 -
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another nice thing about t3 (the armor tankers anyway) is you can create a ship that can't be scanned down by players that want to jump your mission. Just use enough eccm (x3) no drones and a set of halos...or max out your electronics sub system skill if you don't want to buy halos.
so if you want to do missions/exploration without getting scanned down this is the only way to do it. yeah you'll have low dps (350-400ish), but they wont be able to scan you down.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:59:00 -
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Nothing much I could spot, really.
Do you think you're going to want to put T2 rigs on your T3's? Well, you can't since you don't have any of the rigging skills to 4, except Jury.
Also, you have logistics 4, but none of the remrep skills to 5.
Biology and associated skills?
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Talio ZomB
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Talio ZomB on 08/10/2009 10:21:16
its a nice little ship, I went for speed/high dps config
can pump out 841 dps (842 according to EFT) with scourge fury, max skills and implants + bay loading t2/4cn bcs. was the fitting I used personally, for lvl 4s and 5s
and 599m/s on t2 10mn, did want to get this pimped.
overall 6 6 4 on slot layout, I kept obfusication or whatever to get 6 7 3 slot config while retaining similar bonuses.
cant remember the subs as I am in work atm.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2009.10.08 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Nothing much I could spot, really.
Do you think you're going to want to put T2 rigs on your T3's? Well, you can't since you don't have any of the rigging skills to 4, except Jury.
Also, you have logistics 4, but none of the remrep skills to 5.
Biology and associated skills?
Thanks, I'll look into which T2 rigging skills I'm likely to use.
...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.10.08 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: FT Diomedes
The only skills related to Biology are Neurotoxin Recovery and Nanite Control, right?
Yea, afaik.
With nanite control having a rather ridiculous cost for what it does (264m in Jita currently), but being a pre-requisite for Neurotoxin you can't skip just nanite Control without skipping both. I wonder where it comes from, the skillbook, must be some pretty rare exploration site.
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