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Alfons Richthofen
Caldari
Die Luftwaffe
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Posted - 2009.10.07 07:02:00 -
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They are a joke, with their low EHP and pathetic damage in comparison to any other drone, they are almost useless when Minmatar drones not only move faster but hit harder.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.10.07 18:13:00 -
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So don't use them.
As I recall they had the most HP, but I haven't checked that recently.
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Alfons Richthofen
Caldari
Die Luftwaffe
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Posted - 2009.10.07 20:14:00 -
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Gallente drones have the most HP.
And don't give me ****ty responses like "don't use them" they are there for a reason like every module. I'd like them to be just as useful.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.07 20:34:00 -
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Hm, and I was just about to (finally) start a thread about those poor little buggers ^^
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree, there is currently little reason to use Amarr drones.
In PvE you deal more damage with Gallente drones, since NPCs who are vulnerble to EM are also vulnerable to Therm, and raw thermal damage of Gallente drones is just so much higher.
In PvP most enemies are omnitanked, so the type of damage matters less than raw damage.
If you want speed, Minmatar drones are faster (and deal more damage).
If you want toughness (unlikely), Gallente drones have more effective hp.
Result: Amarr drones have no strong point. Even the mix isn't convincing.
To fix them, I would suggest to at least make Amarr drones the toughest ones. But that probably won't be enough.
The damage difference is just too huge. T2 Amarr drones deal less raw damage than two of their T1 counterparts. That doesn't make sense.
So overall, this would be my perferred fix:
- Decrease Gallente Drone armor hp a bit (5%)
- Increase Amarr Drone armor hp a bit (5%)
- Modify the Damage Modifier progression for 0.12 steps (1.6/1.48/1.36/1.24) or 0.1 steps (1.6/1.5/1.4/1.3) to decrease the Amarr drone dmg inferiority
This would be simple little tweaks. Of course the whole drone balance concept could be redone, however I don't think it's necessary.
 Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
So don't use them.
This is not really a fix for unbalance.
It would've been an appropriate response to "I don't like it", but in this case it's hardly more than trolling. Nomen est omen?
Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
As I recall they had the most HP, but I haven't checked that recently.
Nope, Gallente drones have the most hp. Same armor, more shield and a lot more hull.
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codenemisis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.07 20:48:00 -
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Hmm...
Because it's impossible to think that perhaps the T2 variants for the drones would be perfect for taking on a few certain faction NPC's....
Just like every other t2 drone...
As for T1, maybe not as useful, but an alternative to the some of the uglier drones.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.07 20:50:00 -
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I was having another glance through the handy drones guide the other night and noticed that they have no outstanding feature and are outclassed in every way by the other races drones, the only real use being that they do EM damage, but since their damage is so poor it's hardly a redeeming feature.
The other 3 races' drones have something that makes them useful over the others, time to give the poor Amarr drones a tweak.
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Kalia Masaer
Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2009.10.08 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Kalia Masaer on 08/10/2009 04:47:41
It is almost like they mixed up the damage modifier between minmatar and amarr drones. The pattern says minmatar drones should have the lowest damage modifier as they have the best tracking, speed and even tha same hit points total of shields and armor.
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Rip Minner
Gallente
Freewind Ventures
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kalia Masaer
Edited by: Kalia Masaer on 08/10/2009 04:47:41
It is almost like they mixed up the damage modifier between minmatar and amarr drones. The pattern says minmatar drones should have the lowest damage modifier as they have the best tracking, speed and even tha same hit points total of shields and armor.
This is what I always belived. Some one fuged the numbers and sloted the Min damg into the Amar drones and the Amar damg into the Min drones.
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Kara Sharalien
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Posted - 2009.10.08 06:41:00 -
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the purpose of amarr drones is to give you a drone that does EM damage. there are times when the fact that it does EM damage overwhelms the fact that it does less damage then any other drone type.
for that reason, it has a purpose.
so what if it isnt very popular? it isnt useless, and one of them has to take last place.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.08 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Sharalien
the purpose of amarr drones is to give you a drone that does EM damage. there are times when the fact that it does EM damage overwhelms the fact that it does less damage then any other drone type.
Name one, please.
No hinting. Solid facts. Originally by: Kara Sharalien
so what if it isnt very popular?
More often than not this indicates inferiority and a reason to think about balance. Originally by: Kara Sharalien
and one of them has to take last place.
Why?
I mean.. that's why we're here, no? To talk about balance.
"One of them has to take last place" is a nice excuse to play down any issue.
And honestly, if something is clearly 'last place', then that's all the more reason to whip out the balance-bat.
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Grarr Bexx
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Posted - 2009.10.09 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Sharalien
the purpose of amarr drones is to give you a drone that does EM damage. there are times when the fact that it does EM damage overwhelms the fact that it does less damage then any other drone type.
for that reason, it has a purpose.
so what if it isnt very popular? it isnt useless, and one of them has to take last place.
So why do all other drones then have a redeeming feature outside of damage? Your argument is flawed.
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2009.10.09 01:04:00 -
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given that amarr is supposed to be the dps race that can't really do anything else, I'd think gallente should have the higher HP with respectable dps, and that amarr drones should be the highest dps with medium armor amount. Minnie should be fastest and held together with tape, and caldari should be the highest shield amount (and thus the overall best tanker with maybe second or more likely 3rd highest dps)
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Theron Gyrow
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.10.09 10:37:00 -
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Completely agreed with OP. There is currently no reason to ever put Amarr mobile drones into your dronebay - the probability of meeting T2 Caldari shieldtankers with an unplugged EM hole is, uhm, lowish.
The Amarr sentry drones are quite fine, though, I use them regularly.
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