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Logit Probit	Posted - 2009.10.07 08:15:00 - [1] I have decided to announce my candidacy for the Fourth Council of Stellar Management. My campaign platform, ôKeep Carebears Crying and Dyingö, is something every C&P poster and reader (that is worth a damn) should be able to get behind. While I don't claim to be the best at griefing carebears into oblivion, I am about as dedicated to the task as it is possible to be, and any investigation into my EvE background will reveal a record that speaks for itself. My motivation for taking this stance is not merely based on simple malice or an underlying personality disorder; it is based on the knowledge of what can happen to a great game when the voices of carebears go unopposed. My first MMO experience was with Star Wars Galaxies; at one time, that game was a complex sandbox-style game, similar to EvE in that it had a player-driven economy, total freedom of movement, non-instanced PvE content that forced players to compete, and PvP with consequences that included permanent item destruction and skill loss. However, carebears were the loudest voices in the player community, and the company managing the game decided to institute a devastating series of changes in order to make the game as appealing as possible to who they (mistakenly) saw as their core player base. Today, that game is a simplified, crappy WoW clone, and only last month, the company managing it was forced to shut down half its servers. While CCP has not handed the reins of EvE over to mission runners, miners, and station ship-spinners, there have been a series of game mechanic changes designed to protect those who like to pretend EvE is a one-player game (buffs to CONCORD, for example). While the proposed sovereignty changes in the upcoming Dominion expansion are being well-received by the Nullsec PvPer community, it should be noted that the changes are in fact adding structure to an area of the game where structure was once minimal. Are changes that make control of space dependent on carebear activities instead of brute force wielded by PvPers wise? Changes like these need to be guided by members of the player community dedicated to preserving the sandbox nature of EvE. I believe that EvE's greatness comes not because of carebears, but at the expense of carebears. It is moments like THIS and memories LIKE THESE that make EvE great. If elected to the 4th CSM, I will work to maintain lawlessness and a lack of structure in EvE. I will work to make sure even high security space remains as dangerous as possible. I will do everything I can to make sure carebears keep crying and dying.
Rock urSocksoff The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.10.07 08:17:00 - [2] didn't read all that, but no.
Sharian Amber Center Of Psychology	Posted - 2009.10.07 08:20:00 - [3] Originally by: Logit Probit I have decided to announce my candidacy for the Fourth Council of Stellar Management. My campaign platform, ôKeep Carebears Crying and Dyingö, is something every C&P poster and reader (that is worth a damn) should be able to get behind. While I don't claim to be the best at griefing carebears into oblivion, I am about as dedicated to the task as it is possible to be, and any investigation into my EvE background will reveal a record that speaks for itself. My motivation for taking this stance is not merely based on simple malice or an underlying personality disorder; it is based on the knowledge of what can happen to a great game when the voices of carebears go unopposed. My first MMO experience was with Star Wars Galaxies; at one time, that game was a complex sandbox-style game, similar to EvE in that it had a player-driven economy, total freedom of movement, non-instanced PvE content that forced players to compete, and PvP with consequences that included permanent item destruction and skill loss. However, carebears were the loudest voices in the player community, and the company managing the game decided to institute a devastating series of changes in order to make the game as appealing as possible to who they (mistakenly) saw as their core player base. Today, that game is a simplified, crappy WoW clone, and only last month, the company managing it was forced to shut down half its servers. While CCP has not handed the reins of EvE over to mission runners, miners, and station ship-spinners, there have been a series of game mechanic changes designed to protect those who like to pretend EvE is a one-player game (buffs to CONCORD, for example). While the proposed sovereignty changes in the upcoming Dominion expansion are being well-received by the Nullsec PvPer community, it should be noted that the changes are in fact adding structure to an area of the game where structure was once minimal. Are changes that make control of space dependent on carebear activities instead of brute force wielded by PvPers wise? Changes like these need to be guided by members of the player community dedicated to preserving the sandbox nature of EvE. I believe that EvE's greatness comes not because of carebears, but at the expense of carebears. It is moments like THIS and memories LIKE THESE that make EvE great. If elected to the 4th CSM, I will work to maintain lawlessness and a lack of structure in EvE. I will work to make sure even high security space remains as dangerous as possible. I will do everything I can to make sure carebears keep crying and dying. Absolutely no!
Rynra	Posted - 2009.10.07 08:25:00 - [4] i 2nd the no
Persephone Asphodel	Posted - 2009.10.07 08:26:00 - [5] Smugness and gleeful braying about carebear tears gets on my ****. Anyone going for the CSM should be a bit more balanced in their opinions IMHO.
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.10.07 08:26:00 - [6] pretty sure you are going to fail horribly.
Amanda Mor	Posted - 2009.10.07 08:37:00 - [7] Did Rells' thread really have that much of an impact on you? Although I honestly don't know what the big deal is with these carebear whines, I'll vote for you anyway...
Sanguis Fluibant Amarr The Guiding Greg Social and Best Friend Club	Posted - 2009.10.07 08:46:00 - [8] I vote no to you (and yes to proposition 24)
Michael Yossarian Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.07 09:26:00 - [9] While I don't particularly agree with the OP's political platform (and yes being a carebear myself obviously colours my perspective slightly, just as being a PVPer colours his ), the two screenshots he posted are 100% WIN!
Lana's Alt Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.10.07 09:30:00 - [10] Logit, you make me laugh, keep posting.. However, Lark will be the only person I ever vote for again as CSM. If he doesn't run then no one gets my votes. (Please run again Lark) Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first.

Rynra	Posted - 2009.10.07 09:36:00 - [11] is he able to run again?
Lyris Nairn Caldari Yakiya Tovil-Toba Memorial Foundation REIGN Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.07 09:43:00 - [12] This thread is now about Istvaan for CSM. -- Quite possibly the nicest person who'd ever want to kill you.
Sky Princess	Posted - 2009.10.07 09:44:00 - [13] I vote no, but you deserve a cookie for effort.
Vorion Lightbringer	Posted - 2009.10.07 09:47:00 - [14] Quote: investigation into my EvE background Based on your Eve background, what experience do you have in Low sec or Nullsec? ALL your fights took part in Sinq Laison, in 0.9 Systems. I randomly checked 15 ships you killed, all of them were mission fit. You can duel and/or hustle people into attacking you. I honestly don't see how you are representing anyone in particular except people who lure pilots into a trap for an easy kill (pvp fit vs mission fit? come on.) Quote: those who like to pretend EvE is a one-player game I'm not playing your version of Eve where player interaction is mandated in any way, shape or form. further more, judging by roughly 20 random checks, about 75% of your fights are done solo with the help of NPC pirates, as well...you pick easy targets piloted by humans, I pick easy targets piloted by a script. What's the difference? Quote: need to be guided by members of the player community dedicated to preserving Why would I vote for someone who wants to preserve? I want someone who wants to bring in new ideas, who wants change, who listens to the players and forwards their requests. Not someone whose idea of Eve is the abolishment of Concord to kill even more pilots that are no challenge at all to you.
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.10.07 11:00:00 - [15] Lana's Alt for CSM!!!
Bhaumut	Posted - 2009.10.07 11:02:00 - [16] For some of you this is TL;DR, the picture version is in the works with Disney... TO THE OP: No, and never speak of it again. The non stop constant killing of carebears actually wrecks the game as they no longer want to undock.. or sell me things for cheap... it increases my overhead and that is not a good thing. I think your parents need to set you down.. and tell you where baby ships come from. Personally i like things that shoot back at me... you remind me of piebears. Also never ever say that SWG was EVER a sandbox.. it was limited in both scope and mind when it was designed and the patchs and expansions continued that trend. The over use of "sandbox" by others, when in the same sentence, to mention one part of the entire game play styles that are out there, really strike a nerve with me. You want to blow up all the carebears and mission runners.. you want to have non stop action and pvp.. FPS ==That way==>. You as a CSM would totally go in the opposite direction of "sandbox" and limit the nature of the game, you would effectivly turn the game into another SWG. There is no perfect solution out there, but CONCORD is the control for others who enjoy a more laid back part of the game, to afford that.. however they are really not out of danger, are they? You just want to be as "protected and lazy" as some mission runners and carebears. Just because you don't want to listen to the mind numbing sounds of a mining laser.. or have the attention span to follow complex story arcs, doesn't mean the game needs to be tweaked for just your pvp play style.. join the militia. BTW SWG lost its complexity when it went with cookie cutter classes.. the game although in a state of perma beta.. was far more better when it was released(minus the billions of bugs) than it turned into because ppl wanted things simpler and easier to do it their way.. GTFO my EVE. "The force is weak in this one.."
Persephone Asphodel	Posted - 2009.10.07 11:16:00 - [17] ♥ My vote goes to Lady Spank for CSM ♥
guska Cryotank Gallente ZCMI	Posted - 2009.10.07 11:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Persephone Asphodel ♥ My vote goes to Lady Spank for CSM ♥ This... At leasy she/he/it/they have/has/had/is a brain...
Emily Evil	Posted - 2009.10.07 11:41:00 - [19] Hell no.
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.07 11:51:00 - [20] You are a terrible poster. Worse I dare say than the likes of Death4free or even myself. No. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator

RedSplat	Posted - 2009.10.07 12:18:00 - [21] I'm voting Istavaan and Lark. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Noskill McCheese Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 13:08:00 - [22] Lives in highsec, in npc corp. Carebear. How do you grief yourself?
Kalpaks II	Posted - 2009.10.07 13:15:00 - [23] ♥ YES YES YES ♥ I was care***** for 2 years and nearly gave up EvE now i Yarr and love the game more than ever befor
Paul Clavet Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2009.10.07 13:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Logit Probit ôKeep Carebears Crying and Dyingö Hell yes. ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
Logit Probit	Posted - 2009.10.07 20:12:00 - [25] I have detected four kinds of posters in this thread: 1. Those who have never undocked with a warp disruptor fit to their ship 2. Larkonis 3. Jealous people 4. Lana If your comments and feedback are any indication, I am headed towards a glorious victory! Also, I thought I would list more reasons why I should be chosen to represent the EvE community on the 4th CSM: -I hide in a noobcorp in order to prevent the 300 carebears I have destroyed from retaliating -I sometimes do not honor ransoms, thereby "ruining it for everyone else" -I favor liberalization of Great Britain's immigration laws (you're welcome, Larkonis) -I am not a fruitbag from Great Britain Vote Logit Probit! KEEP CAREBEARS CRYING AND DYING!
Ekon Bor Amarr Van Diemen's Demise	Posted - 2009.10.07 20:34:00 - [26] I was almost going to vote for you because I like the name; but, I need someone to build the ships I lose while drunk or exhibiting my usual lack of pvp ability. If they all emorage quit... Also, I need the occasional kill to pay for the stuff I am too lazy to work for. Doesn't work yet as a fiscal solution, but I can dream... in the interim, more carebears = more targets = happy panda. Therefore I shall pass.
FISHANDCHIPS	Posted - 2009.10.08 00:01:00 - [27] i vote YES i want to see how this is going to go wrong
VengeanceMK2	Posted - 2009.10.08 00:21:00 - [28] Not force carebears to become pvpers. The most part I like about EVE is you are free and choose to do anything you want at your will unless it doesnot violate against EULA(End User License Agreement). Imagine if CONCORDS were out of business in just one single day. Think and what possible outcome would appear as the result of that. I am the carebear myself; however, I encourage others to enjoy playing EVE as a pirate. So, voting on this particular issue is "NO".
Ignition SemperFi The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.10.08 00:40:00 - [29] ADAM RIDGEWAY! ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Space Vikings
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.08 00:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Lana's Alt Logit, you make me laugh, keep posting.. However, Lark will be the only person I ever vote for again as CSM. If he doesn't run then no one gets my votes. (Please run again Lark) Not even if I run next year? Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast

Lana's Alt Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.10.08 00:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Lana's Alt Logit, you make me laugh, keep posting.. However, Lark will be the only person I ever vote for again as CSM. If he doesn't run then no one gets my votes. (Please run again Lark) Not even if I run next year? Sorry Jimer.. Its Lark or no one.. I know I lie and cheat a lot (in game.. umm.. and without cheating) but im serious here.. Its Lark or no one for me. Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first.
Rock urSocksoff The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.10.08 00:52:00 - [32] Alekseyev Karrde for CSM tbqh.
IntegralHellsing Gallente Anvil Inc. Superior Eve Engineering	Posted - 2009.10.08 01:01:00 - [33] NO and NO. Who produces stuff? Who mines stuff? Who runs the POS? Who basically aids PvPers to do what they do? CAREBEARS without them, how will you support your pvp life? you need modules and ships to fly at least :P I can already imagine that once carebears start leaving the game the market price will screw up big time. --------------------------------------
Sadian	Posted - 2009.10.08 01:03:00 - [34] You've got my vote and I very seldom PvP but I like the tension of 'you never know whats around the corner'. I also think your synopsis of when good games go bad was spot on. It has happened several times in the last ten years or so of mmorpgs, yet no one in power seems to admit it. 1)A game is created that is challenging ie. EQ in the late 90', Eve online in the early 2000's etc. 2)The challenge draws people to the game and a small percentage excel and publish their heroics. People are drawn to the game for the challenge and the potential heroics. 3)Game is too much for most players to achieve the so called pinnacle ie. EQ Sleeper, Eve 0.0 domination. 4) The whining begins and the very reason that players came to the game in the first place they now say must be changed because they can't compete. 5)Game dies slowly but surely as developers cater to the whiners. Very sad to see the same pattern starting to occur here albeit not as quickly as most mmorpgs. Thank goodness there are still some old school muds around because inevitably all good games go bad. Maybe a vote for Logit may slow the pace down a bit Me
Lana's Alt Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.10.08 01:24:00 - [35] Originally by: IntegralHellsing without them, how will you support your pvp life? you need modules and ships to fly at least :P I can already imagine that once carebears start leaving the game the market price will screw up big time. Well yes and no.. See.. it has a balancing effect.. Gank carebears too much that it causes the costs of things to go up and you cant gank them as much any more, gank them not enough and prices come down meaning someone will have some lols and start ganking them.. Oh, also, most pirates have a carebear toon stashed away someplace that can probably make all their stuff for them if push comes to shove. Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first.
Dessie Enta Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.08 03:58:00 - [36] Another NO! Looking at your 'extensive' Eve experience it is just simply too limited to a very specific part of the game. How can you be relied upon to listen to anything the community has to say that doesn't live in your narrow view of the game...
Logit Probit	Posted - 2009.10.08 05:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Vorion Lightbringer Quote: investigation into my EvE background Based on your Eve background, what experience do you have in Low sec or Nullsec? ALL your fights took part in Sinq Laison, in 0.9 Systems. Originally by: Dessie Enta Another NO! Looking at your 'extensive' Eve experience it is just simply too limited to a very specific part of the game. How can you be relied upon to listen to anything the community has to say that doesn't live in your narrow view of the game... In the original post, I attempted to highlight the my extensive experience wiping out carebears. If I wasn't swimming in highsec carebear blood, could I be counted on to faithfully shout down stupid carebear proposals on the CSM? I think not. The killboard referenced in the search results I posted earlier is a highsec-carebear-killmail-only killboard. Two more minutes of research on, say, Battleclinic, would have revealed that before I got into ninja-salvaging, I pirated extensively in lowsec systems around Rancer, and I took part in large fleet PvP ops in 0.0. That being said, I do have some glaring weaknesses. For example, I let my office get really messy, and I often mix in the whites with the colors when I do laundry.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.10.08 05:31:00 - [38] Ummmm.. Will a real PVPer please step up? Who wants to vote for a high-sec griefbear? I say we draft King Rothgar.
Vorion Lightbringer	Posted - 2009.10.08 07:54:00 - [39] Originally by: Logit Probit In the original post, I attempted to highlight the my extensive experience wiping out carebears. As already mentioned, it's not exactly a skill to destroy a ship that's not fit for PVP, I'm really not sure what destroying 51 billion ISK is entitling you to. Quote: If I wasn't swimming in highsec carebear blood, could I be counted on to faithfully shout down stupid carebear proposals on the CSM? I think not. With all undue respect, the only thing I would count on from you is to represent your interests, and yours alone. Quote: Two more minutes of research on, say, Battleclinic, would have revealed that before I got into ninja-salvaging, I pirated extensively in lowsec systems around Rancer, and I took part in large fleet PvP ops in 0.0. Surely you do not expect me to do your homework and search for you on the intarwebz? If you only provide half the story, you only get replies to that half. You still didn't post any low-nullsec experience and judging from the experience you did post you're only looking for less structure in empire space so you can kill more pretty much defenseless targets. Quote: That being said, I do have some glaring weaknesses. For example, I let my office get really messy, and I often mix in the whites with the colors when I do laundry. Nice try, but no cigar.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.10.08 08:55:00 - [40] Killing carebear PvE fit ships really isn't as big an achievement as you seem to think it is.

Poo Ka'hontas Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2009.10.08 09:14:00 - [41] Is Logit Probit Italian for Joe Phoenix? Or is there REALY two almost identical insanely pathetic wimps in C&P? What are you... 12yo? Sig removed, needs to be EVE related. Zymurgist
Rip Minner Gallente Freewind Ventures	Posted - 2009.10.08 09:39:00 - [42] Edited by: Rip Minner on 08/10/2009 09:42:32 No based on the fact that some poor suckers have to do the mining for us :) And high sec ganking can go to far and start tageting missioning ships as well. Alot of the high sec is people's alts supporting there toons in pvp activitys. Edit: Look I know you mite not like high sec the way it is but it works. Its a balnace that is needed as you pointed out in starwars the oppiste is also true when the pvp crowed wins out. The best and longest lasting mmo's find that fine line of balnace. Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here.
Logit Probit	Posted - 2009.10.08 16:33:00 - [43] Originally by: Vorion Lightbringer I'm really not sure what destroying 51 billion ISK is entitling you to. Consideration for a seat on the CSM? Quote: judging from the experience you did post you're only looking for less structure in empire space so you can kill more pretty much defenseless targets. I don't want them to add MORE structure, is all. But what you said sounds pretty great, I'm not going to lie.
Awesome Possum Imperium Signal Corps	Posted - 2009.10.08 16:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Dessie Enta Another NO! Looking at your 'extensive' Eve experience it is just simply too limited to a very specific part of the game. How can you be relied upon to listen to anything the community has to say that doesn't live in your narrow view of the game... Stop your whining carebear. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Solderan	Posted - 2009.10.08 20:34:00 - [45] Edited by: Solderan on 08/10/2009 20:34:48 Originally by: Logit Probit I have decided to announce my candidacy for the Fourth Council of Stellar Management. My campaign platform, ôKeep Carebears Crying and Dyingö, is something every C&P poster and reader (that is worth a damn) should be able to get behind. While I don't claim to be the best at griefing carebears into oblivion, I am about as dedicated to the task as it is possible to be, and any investigation into my EvE background will reveal a record that speaks for itself. My motivation for taking this stance is not merely based on simple malice or an underlying personality disorder; it is based on the knowledge of what can happen to a great game when the voices of carebears go unopposed. My first MMO experience was with Star Wars Galaxies; at one time, that game was a complex sandbox-style game, similar to EvE in that it had a player-driven economy, total freedom of movement, non-instanced PvE content that forced players to compete, and PvP with consequences that included permanent item destruction and skill loss. However, carebears were the loudest voices in the player community, and the company managing the game decided to institute a devastating series of changes in order to make the game as appealing as possible to who they (mistakenly) saw as their core player base. Today, that game is a simplified, crappy WoW clone, and only last month, the company managing it was forced to shut down half its servers. While CCP has not handed the reins of EvE over to mission runners, miners, and station ship-spinners, there have been a series of game mechanic changes designed to protect those who like to pretend EvE is a one-player game (buffs to CONCORD, for example). While the proposed sovereignty changes in the upcoming Dominion expansion are being well-received by the Nullsec PvPer community, it should be noted that the changes are in fact adding structure to an area of the game where structure was once minimal. Are changes that make control of space dependent on carebear activities instead of brute force wielded by PvPers wise? Changes like these need to be guided by members of the player community dedicated to preserving the sandbox nature of EvE. I believe that EvE's greatness comes not because of carebears, but at the expense of carebears. It is moments like THIS and memories LIKE THESE that make EvE great. If elected to the 4th CSM, I will work to maintain lawlessness and a lack of structure in EvE. I will work to make sure even high security space remains as dangerous as possible. I will do everything I can to make sure carebears keep crying and dying. You obviously have no idea who Sony was catering too with nge. I'll give you a hint it wasn't anyone who was currently playing SWG. Before you go pointing your finger at the wrong people learn what really happened. http://rubenfield.com/?p=86 there you go. Dan Rubenfield himself explains why NGE was made and guess what it wasn't the carebears. Before you open your mouth at least know what the **** your talking about.
impcom	Posted - 2009.10.08 20:41:00 - [46] Real PvPers stand up! Smite the fake " PvPers"! Srsly. Greifing =/= PvPing. Greifing is fun, but it's not the same as PvP.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.08 20:48:00 - [47] Originally by: Logit Probit OTHER PEEPOLS MISERY MAKEs ME HAPPY!1! SHCADENFREUDE...!1! i hAtE bEaRz THEY MAKE ME ANGRY!1! Hey Logit. I know where you can find plenty of tears, but unfortunately they're not carebear tears. They're griefer tears and there are plenty of 'em :). Let me know if you're interested and I'll sell you (hell, I'll give you) their location for free.
Velocity Prime Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.10.08 21:21:00 - [48] Valiant effort Logit. I mean, look at all the tears you're getting in here. We're Recruiting!
Logit Probit	Posted - 2009.10.08 21:27:00 - [49] Originally by: Solderan You obviously have no idea who Sony was catering too with nge. I'll give you a hint it wasn't anyone who was currently playing SWG. Before you go pointing your finger at the wrong people learn what really happened. http://rubenfield.com/?p=86 there you go. Dan Rubenfield himself explains why NGE was made and guess what it wasn't the carebears. Before you open your mouth at least know what the **** your talking about. Yeah, I read that. You know the part Rubenfield says they were "bleeding subscriptions" to the rate of 10k/month? That's because of the "combat upgrade" (the first time they radically changed everything to cater to whiners). NO ONE would argue that the CU was not the direct result of carebear whining. Rubenfield doesn't mention that because he was in on the implementation of the CU. As much as he wishes he wasn't, he was part of the problem. The NGE sucked too, and ultimately completely destroyed what was left of a fun game. But nowhere in my original post did I say anything about carebear whining leading to the NGE. So, in closing, NO U
Manu Hermanus FaDoyToy	Posted - 2009.10.08 22:32:00 - [50] Originally by: Logit Probit ôKeep Carebears Crying and Dyingö, tl;dr but you got my vote, if I cba to vote, from that one bit. You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?

Aurorae Andromedae	Posted - 2009.10.08 22:45:00 - [51] Edited by: Aurorae Andromedae on 08/10/2009 22:48:10 Hi Logit, don't forget the mining op at FRI 20:00 EVE time! Bring your both Orca alts this time! NINJAEDIT: Just noticed that your sec status has dropped under 5.0 and it's now 1.0, I am little worried about you, what happen?
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.08 22:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Aurorae Andromedae Edited by: Aurorae Andromedae on 08/10/2009 22:48:10 Hi Logit, don't forget the mining op at FRI 20:00 EVE time! Bring your both Orca alts this time! NINJAEDIT: Just noticed that your sec status has dropped under 5.0 and it's now 1.0, I am little worried about you, what happen? Ouch
Max Hatter Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.10.08 23:03:00 - [53] You have my vote and probably the votes of the rest of the ninjas.
Builder Robert	Posted - 2009.10.09 02:21:00 - [54] Sounds like OP wants to be a CSM for Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
Logit Probit	Posted - 2009.10.09 03:50:00 - [55] The fact is that I have encountered HUNDREDS of carebears who have made the same bad judgment call. I've said this before; if you think that risking a deadspace-fitted Golem worth 3-4 billion ISK over a few mission wrecks is an overreaction, imagine the pressure these idiots bring to bear on game companies when they feel that a game mechanic does not favor them and needs to change. This isn't based on anecdotal evidence. These people are everywhere, in every part of highsec. They are yammering on the forums, they are constantly submitting tickets, and they are emailing the developers right now, whining, whining, whining. They can't act in their own best self-interest, and people just like them have steered other great games into the ground. I'm not saying all mission runners are like this. But I have met enough to think that it would be a good idea to stack CSM with enough people to make sure stupid demands for game mechanic changes that will damage EvE's sandbox nature are resisted.
Ekon Bor Amarr Van Diemen's Demise	Posted - 2009.10.09 04:23:00 - [56] Originally by: Logit Probit ....This isn't based on anecdotal evidence.... So, you've got statistics then?
Logit Probit	Posted - 2009.10.09 04:40:00 - [57] Originally by: Ekon Bor Originally by: Logit Probit ....This isn't based on anecdotal evidence.... So, you've got statistics then? Of course, that's what killboards are for, but in this instance I'm talking about a large number of qualitative observations. The URL in the original post references hundreds of examples of highsec carebears that were unable to make effective risk/reward judgments. Unless the stupid bastards somehow only come to the one system I operate in, inferring that there must be more of them in other highsec mission hubs is something I am comfortable with.
Anke Eissmann	Posted - 2009.10.09 05:11:00 - [58] Originally by: Logit Probit They can't act in their own best self-interest, and people just like them have steered other great games into the ground. Hmmm, it seems like you might just try steer the game into the ground too. I don't think blowing up a few indies and can flipping should qualify you for CSM...
Ekon Bor Amarr Van Diemen's Demise	Posted - 2009.10.09 05:40:00 - [59] Originally by: Logit Probit Originally by: Ekon Bor Originally by: Logit Probit ....This isn't based on anecdotal evidence.... So, you've got statistics then? Of course, that's what killboards are for, but in this instance I'm talking about a large number of qualitative observations. The URL in the original post references hundreds of examples of highsec carebears that were unable to make effective risk/reward judgments. Unless the stupid bastards somehow only come to the one system I operate in, inferring that there must be more of them in other highsec mission hubs is something I am comfortable with. Sorry, I phrased the question badly. What I meant was, I agree these people exist, in large numbers, but the volume of devmail and petitions they generate is anecdotal (unless there are some stats I don't know about, which is more than possible). (As a minor aside aside, I'd point out that their risk / reward decision, and also the quality of that decision, is also a function of what gives them their kicks (personal utility preferences to be technical) and may only seem to be a bad decision when referenced versus yours... maybe they like the thrill of risking a 4bn faction fitted ship for a low isk payoff... Personally I'd have to be smoking crack to come to that conclusion, but maybe they are. That would certainly make them more interesting than most carebears seem to be..)
Logit Probit	Posted - 2009.10.09 05:53:00 - [60] Originally by: Anke Eissmann Originally by: Logit Probit They can't act in their own best self-interest, and people just like them have steered other great games into the ground. Hmmm, it seems like you might just try steer the game into the ground too. I don't think blowing up a few indies and can flipping should qualify you for CSM... lol. can flipping Anyway, I agree with you. I think getting the most votes qualifies people for CSM

Vorion Lightbringer	Posted - 2009.10.09 07:55:00 - [61] Edited by: Vorion Lightbringer on 09/10/2009 08:07:44 Originally by: Logit Probit The fact is that I have encountered HUNDREDS of carebears who have made the same bad judgment call. 300 over the course of 6 months. We can agree on the fact that there has to be a percentage of people who simply didn't know better and figured PVP = PVE. We can further agree that there is another percentage of people who knew the difference but thought they could pull it of. 300 people out of 250.000 subscriptions. I can clearly see what immense pressure these people can exert. Quote: they are constantly submitting tickets, and they are emailing the developers right now, whining, whining, whining. Prove it or stop talking out of your rear :) Or how about you one-up me and bring some evidence linking high-value ship losses and carebear suggestions? (i.e.: someone lost his mission ship and AFTER losing it, comes to the forum and suggests an additional safety net) I mean since that's the motto you're running for CSM, you should have some information compiled to support your point, no? Quote: They can't act in their own best self-interest, and people just like them have steered other great games into the ground. Since you're talking plural...name a few more other than SWG? (And yes, I'm also talking plural) Quote: it would be a good idea to stack CSM with enough people to make sure stupid demands for game mechanic changes that will damage EvE's sandbox nature are resisted. So you are insinuating that, without your input, the developers and designers are inept and lack the necessary wisdom, experience and/or information to differ between stupid and good suggestions? Will the integrity and spirit of the game go down the drain without your input? :-) In related notes - So far your CSM activities will consist of "shouting down" carebear suggestions (during CSM meetings, not on the forums) which, regardless of the actual suggestions are all "stupid". Can I expect actual suggestions from you? Or will your term in the CSM consist solely of holding up your "Nay!" card?
Apple Ginger Minmatar United Security Services and Resources	Posted - 2009.10.09 11:00:00 - [62] I love how 99% of Logits threads end up in massive flame wars. To be eligible for CSM I would expect someone with strong opinions of their own, but balanced out with both the ability to simply voice the peoples opinions and concerns along with a balances sense of your own importance. Your proposal speech smacks of arrogance and weighted opinion of what is the one true way for things to be done. Not really promising.
Bhaumut	Posted - 2009.10.09 11:24:00 - [63] Originally by: Logit Probit Originally by: Ekon Bor Originally by: Logit Probit ....This isn't based on anecdotal evidence.... So, you've got statistics then? Of course, that's what killboards are for, but in this instance I'm talking about a large number of qualitative observations. The URL in the original post references hundreds of examples of highsec carebears that were unable to make effective risk/reward judgments. Unless the stupid bastards somehow only come to the one system I operate in, inferring that there must be more of them in other highsec mission hubs is something I am comfortable with. You obviously have not made the OBSERVATION.. that the folks in here who are voting "no", are not mostly carebears, but individuals who do a little of this and that asfar as piracy and normal pvp. They know how to balance things... hence the out cry at you even considering opening your mouth for CSM, is not a knee jerk response. I may find some actions irritating in game etc.. but atleast i can call them pirates.. and not gankbears. You hide behind concord homie, you might put on a eye patch and say yar.. but your still a carebear wearing a costume Oh btw, where do you operate normally.. i think some of the folks here want to .. uh.. give you their vote in person. Oh if you mention a location that is within empire, im gona punch my cat. PVPers and Pirates for CSM (C&P) please stand up.. griefers.. go take a nap. Also to the moron who i did not manage to grab the quote from, who mentioned how Logit is generating tears in this thread.. this is called a lynch mob.. we are not crying in sorrow or pain.. we are crying for blood. Learn the difference. HAVE A REALLY AWESOMESAUCE NICE DAY NOW GO EAT A TACO
Logit Probit	Posted - 2009.10.09 15:14:00 - [64] Originally by: Bhaumut Originally by: Logit Probit Originally by: Ekon Bor Originally by: Logit Probit ....This isn't based on anecdotal evidence.... So, you've got statistics then? Of course, that's what killboards are for, but in this instance I'm talking about a large number of qualitative observations. The URL in the original post references hundreds of examples of highsec carebears that were unable to make effective risk/reward judgments. Unless the stupid bastards somehow only come to the one system I operate in, inferring that there must be more of them in other highsec mission hubs is something I am comfortable with. You obviously have not made the OBSERVATION.. that the folks in here who are voting "no", are not mostly carebears, but individuals who do a little of this and that asfar as piracy and normal pvp. They know how to balance things... hence the out cry at you even considering opening your mouth for CSM, is not a knee jerk response. I may find some actions irritating in game etc.. but atleast i can call them pirates.. and not gankbears. You hide behind concord homie, you might put on a eye patch and say yar.. but your still a carebear wearing a costume Oh btw, where do you operate normally.. i think some of the folks here want to .. uh.. give you their vote in person. Oh if you mention a location that is within empire, im gona punch my cat. PVPers and Pirates for CSM (C&P) please stand up.. griefers.. go take a nap. Also to the moron who i did not manage to grab the quote from, who mentioned how Logit is generating tears in this thread.. this is called a lynch mob.. we are not crying in sorrow or pain.. we are crying for blood. Learn the difference. HAVE A REALLY AWESOMESAUCE NICE DAY NOW GO EAT A TACO I can't find any evidence that you have ever undocked.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.09 15:21:00 - [65] Any thread that encourages TEARZ and CRYING is mature and respectable enough to earn my vote. Why? Because I too enjoy tears. You see, there's something that gives me pleasure when I see people in tears. It's like a personal satisfying feeling. And like the OP it is quite enjoyable for me. Tears tears tears. We need to see more tears and more crying.
Karadan Kaarwen	Posted - 2009.10.09 15:37:00 - [66] Originally by: Bhaumut For some of you this is TL;DR, the picture version is in the works with Disney... TO THE OP: No, and never speak of it again. The non stop constant killing of carebears actually wrecks the game as they no longer want to undock.. or sell me things for cheap... it increases my overhead and that is not a good thing. I think your parents need to set you down.. and tell you where baby ships come from. Personally i like things that shoot back at me... you remind me of piebears. Also never ever say that SWG was EVER a sandbox.. it was limited in both scope and mind when it was designed and the patchs and expansions continued that trend. The over use of "sandbox" by others, when in the same sentence, to mention one part of the entire game play styles that are out there, really strike a nerve with me. You want to blow up all the carebears and mission runners.. you want to have non stop action and pvp.. FPS ==That way==>. You as a CSM would totally go in the opposite direction of "sandbox" and limit the nature of the game, you would effectivly turn the game into another SWG. There is no perfect solution out there, but CONCORD is the control for others who enjoy a more laid back part of the game, to afford that.. however they are really not out of danger, are they? You just want to be as "protected and lazy" as some mission runners and carebears. Just because you don't want to listen to the mind numbing sounds of a mining laser.. or have the attention span to follow complex story arcs, doesn't mean the game needs to be tweaked for just your pvp play style.. join the militia. BTW SWG lost its complexity when it went with cookie cutter classes.. the game although in a state of perma beta.. was far more better when it was released(minus the billions of bugs) than it turned into because ppl wanted things simpler and easier to do it their way.. GTFO my EVE. "The force is weak in this one.." Sheesh. I know of no other MMO's where EVERY SINGLE player-made usable item in game is unique. That, to me, suggests huge sandbox potential. I'll always defend the pre-CU SWG. It was sublime in scope and wonderful to play. I completely agree with what the OP said in that SOE listened to the loudest voices (those of the WoW halfwits with Jedi envy) and completely destroyed the game. So much amazing potential ripped apart just because some spotty teenager couldn't jump straight into a jedi. I still get shivers thinking about it now.. It is why i now play Eve. If you want to be safe in Eve, you can be. You just have to approach it intelligently. If some noob wants to jump into a cruiser to 'explore' some 0.4 system, then they deserve to get their asses handed to them. I'm not the sort of person to gloat at another's misfortune but i'm also not the sort to tell the gloaters to stfu. If that's how they gain their fun, then so be it. If it is at my expense, then i stay silent. There's no point giving them more ammo. Are you actually in favour of CCP dumbing down this game? If you are then i'm sure it is YOU who should GTFO of MY Eve!
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.09 15:47:00 - [67] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Any thread that encourages TEARZ and CRYING is mature and respectable enough to earn my vote. Why? Because I too enjoy tears. You see, there's something that gives me pleasure when I see people in tears. It's like a personal satisfying feeling. And like the OP it is quite enjoyable for me. Tears tears tears. We need to see more tears and more crying. Ah MatrixSkye... I see you have outdone yourself with your new avatar. You have managed to make one that looks like even more of an arrogant bellend. Ref Logit. You are running a campaign based on your very limited and narrowminded view of the game. That's all well and good and we all have our niches. You do seem however to be a very radical gentleman, this coupled with your rather extreme views make me think that you will be quickly marginalised by your fellow CSM delegates and probably ignored by the devs. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
Sappho Lesbos Swarm Of Locusts	Posted - 2009.10.09 15:58:00 - [68] Originally by: Logit Probit They can't act in their own best self-interest Hi Nancy Pelosi <feel free to insert comparable British politician here>.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.09 16:02:00 - [69] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 09/10/2009 16:03:27 Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Ah MatrixSkye... I see you have outdone yourself with your new avatar. You have managed to make one that looks like even more of an arrogant bellend. Hi Mr. Adam Ridgeway o/ It's nice to finally see you back from your ban for doing what you do best . I only wish you'd run for CSM again. I even promise you my vote this time, now that I know you are idiotic enough to take your ingame persona into real life. There's nothing like a dishonest fool leading a pack of idiots into oblivion. And that, I'm willing to invest to see happen :). Edit: Thanks for the comment on my avatar. Yours doesn't look too shabby either :D.
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.09 16:22:00 - [70] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 09/10/2009 16:06:30 Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Ah MatrixSkye... I see you have outdone yourself with your new avatar. You have managed to make one that looks like even more of an arrogant bellend. Hi Mr. Adam Ridgeway o/ It's nice to finally see you back from your ban for doing what you do best . I only wish you'd run for CSM again. I even promise you my vote this time, now that I know you are idiotic enough to take your ingame persona into real life. There's nothing like a real-life dishonest fool leading a pack of idiots into oblivion. And that, I'm willing to invest to see happen :). Edit: Thanks for the comment on my avatar. Yours doesn't look too shabby either :D. Thank you for your kind words... don't count me out of the race just yet though. I may well be able to find the time to run. BTW I was a bit upset when this avatar appeared on the article on me in Massively as opposed to my much more handsome main's portrait. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator

Logit Probit	Posted - 2009.10.09 22:07:00 - [71] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer You are running a campaign based on your very limited and narrowminded view of the game. That's all well and good and we all have our niches. You do seem however to be a very radical gentleman, this coupled with your rather extreme views make me think that you will be quickly marginalised by your fellow CSM delegates and probably ignored by the devs. So I'm "radical" and "extreme" because I think carebear-friendly proposals deserve extra scrutiny? Insisting on full consideration of possible unintended consequences of game mechanic changes is going to get me "marginalized by fellow CSM delegates" and "ignored by the devs", huh? Logit: "Whoa, slow down there, let's think these changes through." CSM/DEVS: "GTFO CRAZY INSANE RADICAL!!!1" That's preposterous. Just because I occupy a niche as a ninja-salvager/highsec pirate dosen't mean that I've got blinders on to the rest of the game. I just think highsec scumbags could use some representation alongside lowsec yarrers, carebears, market/production people, and 0.0 types.
Anslo The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.10.10 00:30:00 - [72] No. We rule this game. :)
Ann Drogynous	Posted - 2009.10.10 00:42:00 - [73] Dude you just don't get it, do you? If you spend your time in CONCORD-protected, high-sec space attacking badly fit PVE ships at absolutely no risk to yourself then you ARE the carebear. It doesn't matter how you spin it to yourself if you are attacking ships that can't and don't attack back you may as well be playing the oh-so proverbial Hello Kitty Online. If, as a result of my actions, someone gets upset and there are tears then quite frankly they need to realise it is just a game and HTFU. If, on the other hand, you set out with the express purpose of eliciting said tears then you are just a **** and as such you aren't fit to represent anyone - I certainly don't want you looking out for my interests. Get it now? Crawl back under your stone, you're a joke mate.
amdul kabar	Posted - 2009.10.10 00:46:00 - [74] Originally by: Logit Probit So I'm "radical" and "extreme" because I think carebear-friendly proposals deserve extra scrutiny? Err... Duh. ****** thinks Jews deserve extra scrutiny, and we know what happened. In b4 holocaust doesn't exist.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.10 00:49:00 - [75] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 10/10/2009 00:51:22 Originally by: Ann Drogynous Dude you just don't get it, do you? If you spend your time in CONCORD-protected, high-sec space attacking badly fit PVE ships at absolutely no risk to yourself then you ARE the carebear. It doesn't matter how you spin it to yourself if you are attacking ships that can't and don't attack back you may as well be playing the oh-so proverbial Hello Kitty Online. If, as a result of my actions, someone gets upset and there are tears then quite frankly they need to realise it is just a game and HTFU. If, on the other hand, you set out with the express purpose of eliciting said tears then you are just a **** and as such you aren't fit to represent anyone - I certainly don't want you looking out for my interests. Get it now? Crawl back under your stone, you're a joke mate. Dude, QFT. Every word. And I mean it. Couldn't have said it better myself. But to be honest, he won't get it. These guys are the true carebears of Eve. But they're so tunnel-visioned they can't see it. Ironically, they hate themselves. They just don't know it yet.
Logit Probit	Posted - 2009.10.10 04:41:00 - [76] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 10/10/2009 00:51:22 Originally by: Ann Drogynous Dude you just don't get it, do you? If you spend your time in CONCORD-protected, high-sec space attacking badly fit PVE ships at absolutely no risk to yourself then you ARE the carebear. It doesn't matter how you spin it to yourself if you are attacking ships that can't and don't attack back you may as well be playing the oh-so proverbial Hello Kitty Online. If, as a result of my actions, someone gets upset and there are tears then quite frankly they need to realise it is just a game and HTFU. If, on the other hand, you set out with the express purpose of eliciting said tears then you are just a **** and as such you aren't fit to represent anyone - I certainly don't want you looking out for my interests. Get it now? Crawl back under your stone, you're a joke mate. Dude, QFT. Every word. And I mean it. Couldn't have said it better myself. But to be honest, he won't get it. These guys are the true carebears of Eve. But they're so tunnel-visioned they can't see it. Ironically, they hate themselves. They just don't know it yet. wat
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.10 12:22:00 - [77] Originally by: Logit Probit Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 10/10/2009 00:51:22 Originally by: Ann Drogynous Dude you just don't get it, do you? If you spend your time in CONCORD-protected, high-sec space attacking badly fit PVE ships at absolutely no risk to yourself then you ARE the carebear. It doesn't matter how you spin it to yourself if you are attacking ships that can't and don't attack back you may as well be playing the oh-so proverbial Hello Kitty Online. If, as a result of my actions, someone gets upset and there are tears then quite frankly they need to realise it is just a game and HTFU. If, on the other hand, you set out with the express purpose of eliciting said tears then you are just a **** and as such you aren't fit to represent anyone - I certainly don't want you looking out for my interests. Get it now? Crawl back under your stone, you're a joke mate. Dude, QFT. Every word. And I mean it. Couldn't have said it better myself. But to be honest, he won't get it. These guys are the true carebears of Eve. But they're so tunnel-visioned they can't see it. Ironically, they hate themselves. They just don't know it yet. wat I was complimenting your campaign platform and how I think you'll do a great job by encouraging the extermination of carebears and how we need more ways on how to make them suffer and cry for their tears . I congratulate you on your fair views and you have definitely earned my vote! You're off to a great start! I can only encourage you to keep it up, young pirate.
Cess Poole Black Claw Exploratory	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:51:00 - [78] I like turtles.
Index Appendix	Posted - 2009.10.10 21:25:00 - [79] Originally by: Cess Poole I like turtles. ...alright, you're a great zombie... and... good times here at the waterfront village...
Carlos Mendez	Posted - 2009.10.10 22:49:00 - [80] Hey Logit, KCCD all the way baby!

Saur Fang	Posted - 2009.11.23 20:13:00 - [81] Logit... you, like me, are a rare breed of people who are capable of critical thinking. For that I applaud you and you have my vote.
AvaAlt	Posted - 2009.11.24 16:21:00 - [82] No
CanIHave YourStuff Minmatar Amamake Money Off You Dummy IRL .ingame.	Posted - 2009.11.24 16:41:00 - [83] Originally by: Saur Fang Edited by: Saur Fang on 23/11/2009 23:41:25 Logit all the way. +1 vote CSM propaghanda alts FTL
Kaya Valda Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.11.24 17:29:00 - [84] Logit Probit for CSM just makes me want to cry. I'm pretty sure that there aren't enough idiots in this game to get you elected. At least I hope there aren't.
Aiden Mourn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.11.24 17:50:00 - [85] Originally by: Kaya Valda Logit Probit for CSM just makes me want to cry. I'm pretty sure that there aren't enough idiots in this game to get you elected. At least I hope there aren't. I might know a few...hundreds of them actually Blog: http://podlogs.com/findersandkeepers/
Gauss Markov	Posted - 2009.11.24 18:30:00 - [86] Originally by: Saur Fang Edited by: Saur Fang on 23/11/2009 23:41:25 Logit all the way. +1 vote SYMPHONY OF THIS THREAD A Play in One Act by Gauss Markov THREAD has been resurrected after over a month of inactivity. He sits on page 1, seated on a throne, holding a glass of whine. CAREBEARS enter from stage right. CAREBEARS (to THREAD): "Die, monster! You don't belong in this world." THREAD: "It was not by my hand that I was once again bumped to page 1. I was called here by humans who wish to pay me tribute." CAREBEARS: "Tribute!?! You steal men's souls, and make them your slaves!" THREAD: "Perhaps the same could be said of all C&P threads..." CAREBEARS: "Your words are as empty as your soul. Bearkind ill needs a thread such as you!" THREAD: "What is a carebear? throws glass of whine at floor A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk. Have at you!" epic battle ensues between THREAD and CAREBEARS, in which CAREBEARS EMERGE VICTORIOUS due to game design that makes them invincible. THE END (Also, vote Logit Probit for CSM! I did. ) -
Kalnov Gallente Broski Enterprises No Fun Allowed	Posted - 2009.11.24 20:58:00 - [87] Originally by: Logit Probit I will do everything I can to make sure carebears keep crying and dying. You have all 4 of me and my alts' votes.
Jare Tzard Gallente Neo Catamites	Posted - 2009.11.25 14:52:00 - [88] Originally by: Logit Probit If elected to the 4th CSM, I will work to maintain lawlessness and a lack of structure in EvE. I will work to make sure even high security space remains as dangerous as possible. Talk about vague. What exactly is it that you propose to do on the CSM? All I see is empty sentiment and no substance.


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