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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.09 00:31:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Bodrul
No empire lasts for ever
True, but the world has not seen an empire with the power to drag the rest of the empires down into hell with it until now. Look at how Europe was after Rome fell, now imagine a world where America has fallen. America is so intertwined with the rest of the nations around the world economically, technologically, militarily, politically and just about every other thing you could think of. America has succeeded in putting a loaded gun at the head of the world and when it goes it wont be pretty.
The British Empire held more sway with the planet, hell we owned 1/3 of it.
The British Empire didnt have hordes of Nuclear missiles, a massive carrier fleet, unmaned attack drones and stolen alien technology though. We go down, we're taking the world with us.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.09 00:34:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Jacob Mei
The British Empire didnt have hordes of Nuclear missiles, a massive carrier fleet, unmaned attack drones and stolen alien technology though. We go down, we're taking the world with us.
We have Horn Blower and Sharp
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2009.10.09 00:35:00 -
[33]
## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ## |
Konoch
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.10.09 00:37:00 -
[34]
This assumes several things.
One that current policies will be allowed to continue
Two that there will not be a shift in government.
Three that certain things will become law.
To the first i point to the recent reappointment of Ben Bernakie who quite frankly saved the world as we know it. http://www.cnbc.com/id/33218305# In a very recent statement he has stated that the measures required to prevent hyperinflation and stabalize the dollar will be taken as the economy improves. This will make the recovery slower but will also ease fears for all concerned.
As to the second: 2010 is going to be a crucial year on the national stage. In no time in recent history have the midterm elections of an administration been so important. Over the past year many amercians have become very upset with the decisions concerning their tax dollars and the bailouts of several major corporations. While in some cases necessary the fact is the majority of them basically said let them fall. The current tide of opinon in the united states points to a drastic shift within the house and senate come November of next year. This shift could well result in a supermajority on the OTHER side of the isle. With several either stepping down or dying in the senate and major battles about to be waged on the political scene this shift could result in a president forced to take a tighter stance on monatary policy.
As for the third: If the current healthcare bill passes that could be the signal of the real fall. But Right now public opinion is running so hot that if he tries to force it down the throats of the public it could result in a backlash that would wreck the rest of his agenda.
Is the dollar in trouble? Possibly: if things remain unchanged it will be. Can it be fixed? Hell yes. will it be? I think so, if people are given the time to do so.
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AdmiralJohn
Gallente
The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2009.10.09 00:56:00 -
[35]
I'm safe, I've invested all my money into virtual ISK 
Better than gold, and it'll be in hot demand when the world collapses into a reclusive muh-more-puh-guh biosphere.
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Foodpimp
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Posted - 2009.10.09 01:32:00 -
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Sleyha
ummmm....Can you prove to me anything I've said is not true. But please...try to stick to real books, .gov or .edu sites. I've yet to read anything you've posted that hasn't already been said at a sports bar. Show me some support for yer statements.
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 01:37:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Kia Richards
Edited by: Kia Richards on 09/10/2009 00:24:57
This thread was interesting until infowars was linked. I don't know how you could keep a straight face or expect to be taken seriously when linking to Alex Jones' website.
Anyone want to buy tin foil hats? I recently got in too many from the supplier and have extras to sell for low price!
Talk about blind ignorance and cognitive dissonance EXTREME!!!
Come on mate, don't let your blind acceptance of main stream media stop you from learning anything.
Here's the LINK AGAIN FOR YOU but direct to youtube... Happy now? Peter Schiff, is he main stream enough for you? Is Fox Business news interview acceptable?? Please don't input again if you can't be bothered opening your eyes. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFDGNmP4y5w
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: Sleyha on 09/10/2009 01:52:12
Originally by: Konoch
This assumes several things.
To the first i point to the recent reappointment of Ben Bernakie who quite frankly saved the world as we know it. http://www.cnbc.com/id/33218305# In a very recent statement he has stated that the measures required to prevent hyperinflation and stabalize the dollar will be taken as the economy improves. This will make the recovery slower but will also ease fears for all concerned.
Ben Bernankie is a s****bag who has DESTROYED your country. The fed is a PRIVATE company. He works for a private interest group that, through their "expert" handling of the monetary system have destroyed your country. You think the Fed just made a mistake and let things turn to ****? How convenient.
Have you even followed how he has been grilled by congress? Here're some examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00ECLxK2YTs "Who got the money?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOpQkRsEfaU "Will you tell the people who got 2.2 Tril?" "No"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QpD64GUoXw Ben Bernankie was WRONG
So based on your defence of him, I cannot continue to address your other points.
People need to understand, The FED is a private bank. Bernanke is a puppet that is killing your country.
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 01:57:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Foodpimp
Sleyha
Ummmm....Can you prove to me anything I've said is not true. But please...try to stick to real books, .gov or .edu sites. I've yet to read anything you've posted that hasn't already been said at a sports bar. Show me some support for yer statements.
You want me to quote a government source? lol
As far as the government is concerned, "everything is great, nothing to see here", you really expect me to quote the s****that are destroying your country?
I guess the point of my post is, my prediction and warnings have come true, without quoting an .edu or .gov site.
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Konoch
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.10.09 02:03:00 -
[40]
*hands a tinfoil hat*
Enjoy our pain since you get off on that ****. And thank you for making sure i put your corp on an ignore list when i look for player corps.
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 02:29:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Sleyha on 09/10/2009 02:32:29
Originally by: Konoch
*hands a tinfoil hat*
Enjoy our pain since you get off on that ****. And thank you for making sure i put your corp on an ignore list when i look for player corps.
Thankyou for making yourself known as one of the sheeple.
Again the point of my original post was that, I was right, my "conspiracy theory" aka Conspiracy FACT came true.
So my "congress asking bernanke questions" links didn't sit well with you lol.. keep drinking the Jim Jones coolaide.
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Foodpimp
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Posted - 2009.10.09 02:42:00 -
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You are probably right, and you obviously have a great knowledge than I as to how the Federal Reserve works. Could you explain it to me please?
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 03:02:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Foodpimp
You are probably right, and you obviously have a great knowledge than I as to how the Federal Reserve works. Could you explain it to me please?
Thankyou for asking Mr Foodpimp. Having researched the Federal Reserve and spoken with my friend G. Edward Griffin, who is a researcher of such topics and has published books such as "The creature from Jeckyll Island"
(picture of me with Mr Griffin)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=787716&l=2b81ab4e18&id=588067670
Essentially a group of scumbags secretly got together in 1910 on Jekyll Island off the coast of Georgia and worked out how they could **** over America. They decided to create a Cartel, a secret private bank that would force a taxation system on American Citizens, which would be used to pay the debt. But which debt? Well the Fed prints the money and LOANS it to the government. That is known as the Federal Debt to the privately owned Federal Reserve. Your personal income tax that you pay, is used to fund the debt to the fed.
The fed also sets interest rates.
Watch Mr G. Edward Griffin talk about the Fed here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7auQEXTWomA
I hope that clears things up for you.
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Foodpimp
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Posted - 2009.10.09 03:25:00 -
[44]
Enlightening....fascinating...
but tell me....how does the discount rate affect monetary distribution between commercial banks...and how can we improve upon it?
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Thayadin
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Posted - 2009.10.09 03:36:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Thayadin on 09/10/2009 03:37:22
WHOEVER SAID
"I agree that a true gold standard would be rough, but we have to figure out a way for the FED to stop literally killing us.
Currently the USD is backed by oil and .223 rounds. Look anywhere in the world and you will find that oil is traded for USD and USD only (99% of the time). When anyone of high interest thinks about trading oil for other than USD you start to see a lot of .223's flying around"
That really made me Laugh out loud and I totally agree, You made my night sir.
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 04:14:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Foodpimp
Enlightening....fascinating...
but tell me....how does the discount rate affect monetary distribution between commercial banks...and how can we improve upon it?
A very important question, allow me to answer with some Metaphors.
The federal reserve is a criminal gang raping you and your family with a sharp edged oversized pole in your rear end.
So if we can use say, the Metaphor of a C0caine cartel selling drugs in America. What would the wholesale increase in the purchase price of potassium permanganate and benzole used in C0caine Hydrochloride production affect, the street price of crack in Baltimore, and how can we improve distribution?
Well I think the answer would be, who gives an a$$? They're a bunch of criminals raping you.
I hope that answers your question.
Feel free to ask me anything else, any time.
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Foodpimp
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Posted - 2009.10.09 04:33:00 -
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so let me sum this up a bit...
You hate the fed....which is ok....that's cool....
I think the main problem is you don't really know WHY you hate the fed. Aside from reading a book or two from a guy with a CFP....not a CFA mind you...but a CFP (it takes like a week of studying to get a CFP)...you really have no idea how the whole thing works. The whole family **** metaphor....very "liberalish". I'm a loyal opponent of the regulation of America...but to vent and rant about something that you really don't know the ins-and-outs of is frankly incomprehensible to me.
I actually work down the street from the Dallas Fed (Pearl street) and smoke cigars with a couple of the cats that work there every now and then (good guys...learned a lot about how cash is issued...also listen to the rants about the problems of the Fed from them). I've had an occasion to actually question some of those young cats picketing at the intersection of the fed as well. When I asked why they disliked the fed...they "fed" me the same arguement....but had no real idea why it was the way it was....and had no idea of an alternative. Now...I know you'll respond again saying "who cares how come it's evil...it just is....cuz I know evil when I see it"....and I also know that your sources are somewhat less then concrete, so I'll back off ya at this point so you can get off the defense.
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 04:48:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Sleyha on 09/10/2009 04:48:19
Mr Foodpimp,
Can you admit that the Fed is a private cartel of banks that works in secret?
If so, do you have a problem with a private company loaning money to the People of America at interest?
Do you have a problem with the way the Fed has created the current financial crisis?
I hope you see why I don't like the fed.... It's not "because, it's bad and I don't know why else" as you stated, it's because of the above points.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2009.10.09 05:10:00 -
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Wow, look where this thread went. It's only been two days since I last looked at it. No wonder your corp fell apart.
I guess my scorn for your thread makes me a "sheeple," or "Type III," or "1.1," whatever. Ow, I'm hurt.
-Jin Nib
Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since:
2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 05:13:00 -
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Ya, me being right (as always) made my corp fall apart cause it was full of clowns like you dude. lol
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2009.10.09 05:17:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Sleyha
Ya, me being right (as always) made my corp fall apart cause it was full of clowns like you dude. lol
Yeah totally. I know, right?
-Jin Nib
Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since:
2009.03.02 03:53:00
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.09 07:41:00 -
[52]
Quote:
Is Fox Business news interview acceptable?
No, you can't use that as a source for facts.
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 07:51:00 -
[53]
Originally by: baltec1
Quote:
Is Fox Business news interview acceptable?
No, you can't use that as a source for facts.
Oh real smart mate.
It's a FACT that Peter Schiff, who has a financial credibility about 1000 times better than yours SAID, "gold could reach $5000 an once", and YES, he did say that on Fox Business news. Smart ass.
Wether you believe him is a different question. So thanks for your ******ed commentary, think before you type.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.09 08:21:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Sleyha
Originally by: baltec1
Quote:
Is Fox Business news interview acceptable?
No, you can't use that as a source for facts.
Oh real smart mate.
It's a FACT that Peter Schiff, who has a financial credibility about 1000 times better than yours SAID, "gold could reach $5000 an once", and YES, he did say that on Fox Business news. Smart ass.
Wether you believe him is a different question. So thanks for your ******ed commentary, think before you type.
Heh. Considering I invested in a bank that did not crumble due to poor loan management years ago to make sure my saving would be safe and now enjoy a higher interest rate than most as well as being debt free I think its safe to say I do think ahead.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.09 09:44:00 -
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what was a thread about gold price and dollar inflation has become "my linked expert is bigger that yours" thread 
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Haydee Onna
Fashionable Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.10.09 10:16:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Haydee Onna on 09/10/2009 10:23:23
lol internet arguing
All this talk of US inflation and unbridled capitalism... The fact is that the US is experiencing its first deflationary period in decades.
Fiat [trust-backed] money is not the source of anyone's problems. Even if we were to move to a gold or any other commodity standard, fractional reserve banking will ensure that your money will remain 95+% empty space (and trust me, you do want fractional reserve banking). If there is a problem with our money, it is not in its substance but its source. It's a shame that there are so many conspiracy theorists ranting about the Fed these days because it seems to drown out the legitimate arguments to be made against it. Putting a single bureaucrat in charge of the national money supply is bad, m'kay? Curtail the Fed's ability to change the rate of money growth and allow banks to issue private notes and 90% of monetary problems will fix themselves...
And to say that the failures of the financial institutions are the fault of capitalism is frankly just dumb. Whenever a crisis occurs there's this public knee-jerk reaction to increase regulation, but the fact is that there is already too much (bad) regulation. It is the arcane network of restrictions and insurances that limits private institutions' ability to react efficiently to crises and creates moral hazards that induce excessive risk-taking on the part of banks and other financial intermediaries. In a true free market system where profit is profit and loss is loss, all of these problems would not have happened, or at least not nearly so severely.
yeah...
Edited BECAUSE OF FALCON (and bad spelling)
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr
Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.09 10:28:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Sleyha
1 year ago, Oct 1st, 2008, I predicted the fall of the US currency, Gold rising in value and a unanimous push for a "global currency" to save us from fiscal turmoil.
You did? So did Gerald Celente, Marc Faber and many others.
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 11:05:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Sleyha on 09/10/2009 11:13:00
Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: Sleyha
1 year ago, Oct 1st, 2008, I predicted the fall of the US currency, Gold rising in value and a unanimous push for a "global currency" to save us from fiscal turmoil.
You did? So did Gerald Celente, Marc Faber and many others.
Exactly my friend, and I was trying to pass that information on to my corp mates and others... But hey, all the people you quoted must be conspiracy theorists too ye 
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 11:12:00 -
[59]
Originally by: ceaon
Edited by: ceaon on 09/10/2009 09:52:44
what was a thread about gold price and dollar inflation has become "my linked expert is bigger that yours" thread
i like to comment on this hehe
Originally by: Sleyha
Can you admit that the Fed is a private cartel of banks that works in secret?
dont have the sufficient knowledge about this to comment
If so, do you have a problem with a private company loaning money to the People of America at interest?
is the best thing a private company can make from a business point of view because loans made to country's are payed back all the time, this also allows a country to go until 60% of income in debt the real problem is when that money have to be returned
Do you have a problem with the way the Fed has created the current financial crisis?
the only thing i dint like was drooping ingress rate, bigger money price increase population saving
Firstly, when someone tells me that a link I provide is not a fact, when it's clear the person actually said what he said, which makes it a fact that he said it, then I can't stand for that kind of bull.
Secondly, I appreciate your input, but can you imagine that your neighbour just, one day, decides to loan money to the government, money he creates out of thin air, then becomes a billionare overnight because he has the power to print money, and charge interest on this pretend money which then has to be paid by everyone in your country through taxes.
When in reality, the country can print it's own money and not pay interest to anyone, therefore allowing you not to have to pay for this interest through taxes?
Do you see what I'm talking about?
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Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 11:34:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Haydee Onna
Edited by: Haydee Onna on 09/10/2009 10:23:23
lol internet arguing
All this talk of US inflation and unbridled capitalism... The fact is that the US is experiencing its first deflationary period in decades.
Fiat [trust-backed] money is not the source of anyone's problems. Even if we were to move to a gold or any other commodity standard, fractional reserve banking will ensure that your money will remain 95+% empty space (and trust me, you do want fractional reserve banking). If there is a problem with our money, it is not in its substance but its source. It's a shame that there are so many conspiracy theorists ranting about the Fed these days because it seems to drown out the legitimate arguments to be made against it. Putting a single bureaucrat in charge of the national money supply is bad, m'kay? Curtail the Fed's ability to change the rate of money growth and allow banks to issue private notes and 90% of monetary problems will fix themselves...
And to say that the failures of the financial institutions are the fault of capitalism is frankly just dumb. Whenever a crisis occurs there's this public knee-jerk reaction to increase regulation, but the fact is that there is already too much (bad) regulation. It is the arcane network of restrictions and insurances that limits private institutions' ability to react efficiently to crises and creates moral hazards that induce excessive risk-taking on the part of banks and other financial intermediaries. In a true free market system where profit is profit and loss is loss, all of these problems would not have happened, or at least not nearly so severely.
yeah...
Thanks for the reply Haydee.
I don't think the main argument is about going to a gold standard, as I don't think that's something that is realisticly possible anymore, however there is NO REASON why a private company should be able to create money out of nothing and loan it at interest to the American People when the government itself can create and manage the money supply, remember the "The Federal System" was conspired about in 1910 and created in 1913, which was the same year the 16th amendment was introduced.
Your country worked perfectly before 1913 WITHOUT a privately owned federal reserve bank and it can work again without it.
There is no justification for a private company printing money and enslaving the people through taxes to support the interest on this fabricated money.
The fed caused this mess, needs to go, your dollar is in freefall and your country is going down the toilet.
Max Keiser, Peter Schiff Ron Paul and members of congress are not conspiracy theorists.
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