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Aleria Angelis
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2009.10.08 01:25:00 -
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It has been over five months now since Intaki fell to Caldari militia pilots, during this time Intaki Prime has been subjected to a series of severe social trials and upheavals.
Since the onset of war Intaki has suffered food and water shortages and struggled to keep its vast population free from hunger and disease, though the food situation has improved the threat of future shortages is a distinct possibility.
Sporadic reports of violence and rioting on the planet surface do little to illustrate the full suffering these people must be facing, now with Intaki sold off at auction the native inhabitants have to deal with the uncertainty this must bring.
Given the materialistic nature of the Caldarian mega-corps and their ruthless history of economics before human rights itĘs not surprising that some people, like myself are concerned with just what Ishukone intend to do with this system. What new trials will the Intaki homeworld be subject to?
This is an appeal to all capsulars within the State Protectorate to recognise the continued suffering war has brought to these people. I appeal to the State Protectorate to declare a status of non-aggression within the Intaki star system; allow ownership of the system to return to its previous Gallente patrons and let Intaki return to a sense of normality once again.
As podpilots we rarely get the chance to directly affect the lives of countless billions dwelling on New Edens planets, I present this opportunity to the State Protectorate to do the humane thing, and relinquish control of Intaki.
The views expressed here are in no way indicative of my corporationĘs diplomatic or political stance.
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Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.10.08 02:03:00 -
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I just want to see if I have this straight.
You want them to surrender a hard-fought system to the Federation, in order to relieve the supply crisis that the Federation is largely responsible for. And you do it by insulting the megacorps.
Besides the fact that the Federation has a body count that outnumbers that of the Republic and State combined, there's also the fact that you probably won't get far insulting the very entities the State capsuleers fight to protect.
This leads me to suspect that this is simply a political ploy designed to either ensnare well-meaning State capsuleers into aiding the Federation war effort, or into painting themselves as evil monsters for the media. Very nice.
By the way, didn't your own CEO, Zagamesh, repeatedly call for the death of all Caldari who support the State? I believe he did, actually, or at least made similarly racist statements.
If you do want to improve the lot of the Intaki, leave them in the hands of Ishukone. They are far more benevolent in action and word than your own Federation, and the Intaki might actually be allowed a measure of independence under the State.
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.08 02:05:00 -
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Oh my, that is rich!
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.10.08 02:12:00 -
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Pff. My dear friend Aleria here attempted diplomacy, which no one else has done before. What do we normally get? Threats of violence, accusations of genocide...and so on...
At least give her that much!
Seriphyn Inhonores EL-G Archigos FDU Vice Commander
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Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.10.08 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Pff. My dear friend Aleria here attempted diplomacy, which no one else has done before. What do we normally get? Threats of violence, accusations of genocide...and so on...
At least give her that much!
Seriphyn Inhonores EL-G Archigos FDU Vice Commander
Diplomacy should consist of more than "Please surrender for the sake of our citizens, who we wish to get back to depriving of economic necessities."
Granted, it's more polite than an autocannon round to the face, but not exactly different in the general intent.
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Sumerio Rayej
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.10.08 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: Sumerio Rayej on 08/10/2009 02:32:22 While I am happy to see other Intaki attempting to improve the lot of our people on the homeworld, I don't think it does anyone any good to overstate the shortages on Intaki Prime. Food and water have not been an issue, to my knowledge - see this article: Shortages on Intaki Prime
Rather, the shortages have been high-tech goods. Granted, the resulting breakdown in communication and transportation is probably leaving some areas of the planet short on needed supplies. We can help this, though, by continuing the capsuleer-led supply effort started last may. The relief supply containers that have been anchored above Intaki Prime have begun to find their way to the population on the planet. I'm sure more supplies would always be appreciated, though.
On the subject of Intaki occupancy, why not let ownership of the system return to its rightful occupants - the Intaki themselves? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.10.08 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Pff. My dear friend Aleria here attempted diplomacy, which no one else has done before. What do we normally get? Threats of violence, accusations of genocide...and so on...
At least give her that much!
I'm not sure what you're asking to be given, but... No. Why should anyone suffer a fool?
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Halunoto Vankaalen
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.10.08 02:48:00 -
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Edited by: Halunoto Vankaalen on 08/10/2009 02:51:53
Originally by: Aleria Angelis This is an appeal to all capsulars within the State Protectorate to recognise the continued suffering war has brought to these people. I appeal to the State Protectorate to declare a status of non-aggression within the Intaki star system; allow ownership of the system to return to its previous Gallente patrons and let Intaki return to a sense of normality once again.
Why? So the Intaki people can again suffer the tedious neglect their Federal masters have thus far afforded them? I think the presence of the Intaki Syndicate speaks volumes of the supposed freedom, justice and equality that the wordsmiths of Gallente Federation so dearly espouse.
But if we are to entertain your reasoning, why doesn't the Federal Defence Union accept the sound tactical defeat that has been laid at its feet? I implore you to do the humane thing and cease your ineffectual attempts at resisting the State's presence in these systems.
This would greatly assist the Ishukone corporation in transferring urgently required equipment assets to the Intaki systems, so that life may return to some semblance of normalcy in these troubled times.
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Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.10.08 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sumerio Rayej On the subject of Intaki occupancy, why not let ownership of the system return to its rightful occupants - the Intaki themselves?
I am sure that Ishukone would love to, being the Liberals that they are, but that is not currently possible under Concord's rules for this war.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.10.08 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Aleria Angelis Since the onset of war Intaki has suffered food and water shortages and struggled to keep its vast population free from hunger and disease, though the food situation has improved the threat of future shortages is a distinct possibility.
Would this not indicate that the Federal Defense Union should not try to take it back and instead allow Ishukone and Ishukone-sponsored efforts to move freely into the system, especially between Intaki and the Ishukone stations in Alperaute and Aunsou?
Originally by: Aleria Angelis I appeal to the State Protectorate to declare a status of non-aggression within the Intaki star system; allow ownership of the system to return to its previous Gallente patrons and let Intaki return to a sense of normality once again.
Wouldn't another shift in outside governorship result in more upheaval?
Originally by: Aleria Angelis Given the materialistic nature of the Caldarian mega-corps and their ruthless history of economics before human rights itĘs not surprising that some people, like myself are concerned with just what Ishukone intend to do with this system. What new trials will the Intaki homeworld be subject to?
What about the Gallente mega-corporations and their history of economics and profit before human rights? Would you be expressing these concerns if Duvolle Laboratories or Chemal Tech was given development rights in the system?
How many native Intaki businesses went under when Fedmart moved in? And on whose side did the Senate and Supreme Court fall when a suite was brought against Fedmart?
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What you are proposing is that State Protectorate forces and Ishukone surrender Intaki back the Federation to increase stability, and fails to provide it.
This makes horrible strategic sense and fails to address your concerns for Intaki and its residents in any real way. 1) Ishukone has resources (stations in Federation low sec) as close to Intaki as Federation high sec (3 jumps).
2) You demonstrate a prejudice against Caldari corporations developing a Federation system; despite the fact the Caldari corporation in question pays Federal taxes and follows Federal law in Placid (3 jumps from Intaki), Essence, and Sinq Laison.
3) Your proposal leaves Intaki isolated, allowing the STPRO and its allies to intercept any and all in the surrounding systems should they choose.
4) You are missing the target to affect your stated goals; you appealed to the STPRO and not Ishukone and Ishukone's supporters.
Originally by: Aleria Angelis As podpilots we rarely get the chance to directly affect the lives of countless billions dwelling on New Edens planets, I present this opportunity to the State Protectorate to do the humane thing, and relinquish control of Intaki.
Relinquish control of Intaki to who? The Federation? The Intaki Syndicate? The Intaki home government?
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To approach with the olive branch requires you having the ability to actually offer something other than insults and your opinion of what the "right" thing to do is. Actually having something to offer helps as well.
This being said, a proposal from the Federal government to Ishukone, Hyasyoda, and CBD* or SuVee suggesting that Intaki and the intervening systems continue to uphold Federal law or face increased limitations concerning those corporation's operations in other parts of the Federation might actually gain traction.
There are of course other options available.
*I suggest CBD, the Federation has more leverage on the corporation than SuVee.
In the future, I suggest that a Federal mercenary not attempt to appeal to Caldari humanity. Our view of humane is different than yours.
The State is run by corporations, corporations are interested in profits, I suggest you appeal to what CEOs, Boards of Directors, and shareholders care about and not supposed universal humanity.
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Jakiin
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.08 03:41:00 -
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I must agree with our Caldari allies, while no one is fond of the shortages that the war is causing, giving the system back to the Federation is hardly likely to make your problems go away, or even improve.
Altogether I would say that Intaki should be welcoming State control. After all, they're no strangers to wanting to seperate from the Gallente, and with the rumours that Mordu's Legion is providing security for Ishukone... Well, let's just say that the idea of an independent Intaki state looks much more likely now than it did before the start of the war.
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John Revenent
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2009.10.08 04:01:00 -
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Miss, Angelis.
It seems very unlikely with things going the way they are that the State would simply allow their enemies to reclaim the system that so many pilots and loyalists have shed blood over, though I want to assure you that the Ishukone Corporation along with Ishukone-Raata and the Watch will do there best to help the people of Intaki through these times of peril.
As for your concerns about Ishukone Corporation they are needless, as a corporation they are known for there humanitarian and liberal protocols that they put to work daily.
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Simon Coal
Gallente The Grass Spiders
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Posted - 2009.10.08 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin Altogether I would say that Intaki should be welcoming State control. After all, they're no strangers to wanting to seperate from the Gallente, and with the rumours that Mordu's Legion is providing security for Ishukone... Well, let's just say that the idea of an independent Intaki state looks much more likely now than it did before the start of the war.
No, not really. The Seperatists are in the minority, historically and presently. The rumors are very interesting, but should they turn out to be true, it wouldn't help. Even the Legion persists mostly by keeping plenty of Caldari in its command corp and doing whatever the State wants and little that it doesn't. Being sold to a megacorp isn't really a strong endorsement of native rights, either.
I do agree that Ishukone is by far the best outcome we could have expected. It's not an ideal situation for us, but it's better than the other options we had.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sumerio Rayej Rather, the shortages have been high-tech goods. Granted, the resulting breakdown in communication and transportation is probably leaving some areas of the planet short on needed supplies.
And unlike broadcasted in news, Caldari militia has delivered significant aid to Intaki, to be delivered via help of Intaki Liberation Front.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Zuzanna Alondra
Gallente Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:11:00 -
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Edited by: Zuzanna Alondra on 08/10/2009 05:13:31 Damn if you do damned if you don't here from what I'm reading.
She's trying to do something- even if you don't like the words she says.
No matter what is done with Intaki the people are going to suffer more- back to the Federation- our culture will slowly be overwritten- our brightest and smartest sent away from home.
Stay with Ishukone and still the same problem from a different angle in my opinion.
Instead of just telling Aleria she's wrong, someone out there try coming up with some idea that don't leave the Intaki people struggling to be their own people- both in resources like food and water- and in our identities as a people.
Can anyone come up with something other then ridicule?
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zuzanna Alondra Damn if you do damned if you don't here from what I'm reading.
Hm. Really, it seems to be more, "Damned if you don't put a serious offer forward." Did you catch the bit where she said what the FDU would offer in return? I didn't.
This isn't negotiation, Ms. Alondra; it's a badly-executed guilt trip.
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Julien Olivier
The Society for Creative Euthanasia
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Simon Coal No, not really. The Seperatists are in the minority, historically and presently. The rumors are very interesting, but should they turn out to be true, it wouldn't help.(...)
I do agree that Ishukone is by far the best outcome we could have expected.(...)
While i don't agree that we Separatists are minority, i do agree about Ishukone. Personally i wouldn't mind the Legion taking control, either. |

Zuzanna Alondra
Gallente Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Hm. Really, it seems to be more, "Damned if you don't put a serious offer forward." Did you catch the bit where she said what the FDU would offer in return? I didn't.
This isn't negotiation, Ms. Alondra; it's a badly-executed guilt trip.
Agreed in one way- disagreed in another.
I agree her idea isn't the best- but at this point I've seen enough "About the fate of Intaki" threads and everyone saying what is wrong with the poster's idea- and no suggestions I can see that would actually help.
I've held back my personal thoughts and would rather see someone *anyone* make a suggestion for the Intaki people that can actually be *acted* on.
I would put a suggestion out there myself if I could think of something myself. Then again some argue I'm no longer Intaki and why should I care. Afterall if you ask any other of the Alondra family they will tell you I'm dead and the only one that would admit I'm alive would tell you I am no longer human- but that's another discussion I'll happily discuss in private sometime Miss Jenneth.
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Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:39:00 -
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Here is a suggestion, which only the Federation seems to have a problem with: Let Ishukone have a shot at administering the system. There have been plenty of other systems occupied, and there is no reason to suppose that Intaki is filled with people oddly more loyal to the Federation than other low-security areas.
Let Ishukone, the State, and the Legion have a shot at it. The Legion is Intaki-friendly, the State has nothing against them, and they couldn't really do a worse job than the Federation has already done.
Oh, and for those talking about how all the Intaki on Intaki love the Federation with all their heart? That is largely due to the bit of an exodus the rest of them had to make to Syndicate, courtesy of your Federation. Just thought I should mention that.
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Havohej
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Oh, and for those talking about how all the Intaki on Intaki love the Federation with all their heart? That is largely due to the bit of an exodus the rest of them had to make to Syndicate, courtesy of your Federation. Just thought I should mention that.
Bears repeating, so I'll conveniently quote it here.
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Zuzanna Alondra
Gallente Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.10.08 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
Oh, and for those talking about how all the Intaki on Intaki love the Federation with all their heart? That is largely due to the bit of an exodus the rest of them had to make to Syndicate, courtesy of your Federation. Just thought I should mention that.
They clearly didn't live on Intaki. The ones that really loved the Federation left Intaki Prime to live in high-sec... or then again that might be me being a bit bias again.
Seems right now your option is the only one anyone's presented that we actually have a choice in- but not one I care for personally.
But it isn't my thoughts that matter- what matters is doing what's best for Intaki. I have a bit of a vested interest in seeing my future neices and nephews grew up as Intaki- not employees of Ishukone or leave home for high-sec.
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Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.10.08 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zuzanna Alondra
Originally by: Vikarion
Oh, and for those talking about how all the Intaki on Intaki love the Federation with all their heart? That is largely due to the bit of an exodus the rest of them had to make to Syndicate, courtesy of your Federation. Just thought I should mention that.
They clearly didn't live on Intaki. The ones that really loved the Federation left Intaki Prime to live in high-sec... or then again that might be me being a bit bias again.
Oh...my.
I really do need to remember that tone doesn't cross cultures well.
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Jakiin
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.08 06:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jakiin on 08/10/2009 06:15:47
Originally by: Simon Coal No, not really. The Seperatists are in the minority, historically and presently. The rumors are very interesting, but should they turn out to be true, it wouldn't help. Even the Legion persists mostly by keeping plenty of Caldari in its command corp and doing whatever the State wants and little that it doesn't. Being sold to a megacorp isn't really a strong endorsement of native rights, either.
First off, though the Legion does retain State ties it is entirely a seperate entity and does not follow the command of the Caldari. That there are many Caldari within its command structure is of course natural: There are many Intaki as well, and since the two largest populations within the Legion are Caldari and Intaki this is all proportion friendly.
Secondly, the Caldari sold all of the war gains to Megacorps, it's how the State functions. Had the Federation won, the systems would probably have been given to your own government authorities, and when (God willing) the Amarr nations defeat the Republic the war spoils will be given to the Heirs. To the Caldari the Megacorporation are just as legitimate aspects of their government. You could hardly be expected to be given a free pass right off the bat, could you?
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Flashh Gorden
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.10.08 06:21:00 -
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If the Federation cares so much about the people of Intaki, why did they not defend them more vigoursly? The feds decided losing systems has no consequence and would rather spend there entire time Blockading the Tama stargate. If you think somthing should done about Intaki I suggest you talk to your own milita about that and you will see the amount of contempt they have for their own people. Some good people died fighting on the Intaki front and we also cleansed it of some local law breakers some thing the Feds failed to do. Intaki is much better off without you.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.10.08 09:53:00 -
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Let's clear some things up for you foreigners, from an actual Federation citizen.
The system of Intaki does NOT belong to the Federation. It belongs to the Intaki Assembly. All Federal members retain control of their home systems. The reason for the 0.1 security status is due to the fact the Intaki, wanting as little central influence as possible, refused to franchise Federation Navy, Customs and police protection. And '0.1', as low as an empire system can get, represents this.
It is very much so how the Intaki prefer a more...'anarchistic utopian' society, if I put that right? Look at how Syndicate is run, city-states with lawless areas in between, almost the perfect epitome of Intaki society, no?
Regardless, if the Intaki system wanted a higher security status, it was the responsibility of the Intaki Assembly to franchise protection to the necessary bodies. For being in the warzone, I suspect it was those imperialistic supranationalists CONCORD just forcing it to be so, whether the Federation liked it or not, due to the rush to counter tensions.
Seriphyn Inhonores EL-G Archigos FDU Vice Commander
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Inara Subaka
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores All Federal members retain control of their home systems.
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Mr. Inhonores, I'm hoping that you are intentionally being ignorant of your history here. I seem to remember the history texts mentioning the Federation trying to regulate the way the Civire and Deteis wanted to live... which is why they decided they were leaving. Or was it simply the Gallente arrogance that made them grow tired of the Federation?
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores ...imperialistic supranationalists CONCORD...
Do you think before you speak? I'm serious when I ask this. All joking aside, how is a Bureau made of a conglomeration of all the nations supranationalistic. And how are they imperialistic when they only hold claim to a small portion of systems with no motion to claim any others?
I do believe that next time you wish to speak your mind here, that you record your message, reread it a few times and correct any mistakes, then hit the delete option and save someone else the time and effort of correcting you.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Inara Subaka
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores All Federal members retain control of their home systems.
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Mr. Inhonores, I'm hoping that you are intentionally being ignorant of your history here. I seem to remember the history texts mentioning the Federation trying to regulate the way the Civire and Deteis wanted to live... which is why they decided they were leaving. Or was it simply the Gallente arrogance that made them grow tired of the Federation?
No... he is correct. The Feds allow members to retain about as much control over their home planet as they like. Or at least they used to. The problem with the Caldari was that the Caldari didn't want to stick to a single space rock. They wanted to explore, exploit and colonize other space rocks. But the Fed said that all space rocks belong to the True Gallente and they prohibited the Caldari from leaving their space rock for anything but vacations.
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Sumerio Rayej
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.10.08 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sumerio Rayej on 08/10/2009 12:48:44
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores It is very much so how the Intaki prefer a more...'anarchistic utopian' society, if I put that right? Look at how Syndicate is run, city-states with lawless areas in between, almost the perfect epitome of Intaki society, no?
Okay, now let me clear something up for you, foreigner, from an actual Intaki.
The Syndicate does not represent Intaki society, and I can't imagine how you can think it does. The Federation expelled a small faction of my people who they found bothersome, to discourage my people from going the way of the Caldari. Then those Intaki were forbidden from inhabiting planets. Gee, take a militant sector of a population, shove them into lawless space, coop them up in space stations and look what you get. Not a "perfect epitome" of Intaki society.
My ancestors on Intaki chose badly because they were angry with your Federation. We have poor security status because that enabled Intaki to maintain connection to our Syndicate brothers. Now, it's time for a change, but none will listen. Instead, insults. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Hooch Flux
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.08 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Aleria Angelis do the humane thing
200 years and I bet they still don't get the irony of this plea!
I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit...
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Havohej
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.08 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Let's clear some things up
Let's.
Originally by: Lei Weici Teahouse; NeoCom Recording [ 2009.10.07 03:22:07 ] Seriphyn Inhonores > /emote nods his whole upper frame slowly, "Well...I, ah, am not as...antagonistic in person" he looks sheepish [ 2009.10.07 03:24:24 ] Havohej > /emote smirks. "I see.. in person, you will share tea and smile jovially in my face... on the Summit, though, 'you need look no further than Du'uma Fiisi'. Noted." [ 2009.10.07 03:25:44 ] Seriphyn Inhonores > /emote blushes and looks down, "Well...it's easy, though, to type and say anything you want on FTL" [ 2009.10.07 03:25:49 ] Seriphyn Inhonores > Or GalNet, whichever. [ 2009.10.07 03:30:55 ] Seriphyn Inhonores > /emote hunces a bit, making a face, "I suppose it's just boredom half the time"
The IGS trolling you do out of boredom isn't worth the time it takes to read it; I feel a sort of sympathy toward Pilots Subaka and Sumerio for having replied to you as though you were a serious poster with credible input.
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