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Mallak Azaria
189
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Posted - 2012.06.09 12:07:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Jafit wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Remove sovereignty, seed more NPC stations through out all 0.0 regions, open up 0.0 stations to all who want too visit.
Spoken like someone who hasn't even been to the existing NPC regions. Don't insult, share with us these regions you speak of ? Tal I can't seem to see the insulting part. On to regions, lets see... There's Venal, Great Wildlands, Outer Ring, Syndicate, Stain & probably a few more. Just that ppl come on with short answers that usually claim the other person knows nothing without actual offering anything. Tal
That's hardly insulting, unless you have an extremely fragile ego.
Curse is also NPC. You should try them out. NPC regions can be pretty fun & they're also rather empty, except for Syndicate. |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
386
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Posted - 2012.06.09 12:09:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
That's hardly insulting, unless you have an extremely fragile ego.
Curse is also NPC. You should try them out. NPC regions can be pretty fun & they're also rather empty, except for Syndicate.
Give you that, insulting was to strong a word.
Tal |

seany1212
Zat's Affiliated Traders Originally Riotous Corps
191
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Posted - 2012.06.09 12:11:00 -
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Jafit wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Jafit wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Remove sovereignty, seed more NPC stations through out all 0.0 regions, open up 0.0 stations to all who want too visit.
Spoken like someone who hasn't even been to the existing NPC regions. Don't insult, share with us these regions you speak of ? Tal Entire region of Curse - Serpentis and Angel Cartel Entire region of Syndicate - Intaki Syndicate Entire region of Stain - Sanshas Nation Entire region of Venal - Guristas Pirates Entire region of Outer Ring - ORE Entire region of Great Wildlands - Thucker Tribe Phoenix Constellation in Fountain - Serpentis and Angel Cartel XPJ1-6 and 6-UCYU Constellations in Delve - Blood Raider Covenant U-7RBK and 38G6-L in Pure Blind - Mordu's Legion and Sisters of Eve All of the stations in these regions are open to anyone. They even have mission agents you can use. All of them are sh*t to live in.
Theres even some in geminate too.
To the OP, the reason people assume you dont know anything is because you make terrible threads like these saying there isnt enough NPC stations proving you dont know anything...
There are at least 25 in curse at a very underestimated guess. Go actually look at NPC regions before saying there isnt enpugh. |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
386
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Posted - 2012.06.09 12:17:00 -
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seany1212 wrote:Jafit wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Jafit wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Remove sovereignty, seed more NPC stations through out all 0.0 regions, open up 0.0 stations to all who want too visit.
Spoken like someone who hasn't even been to the existing NPC regions. Don't insult, share with us these regions you speak of ? Tal Entire region of Curse - Serpentis and Angel Cartel Entire region of Syndicate - Intaki Syndicate Entire region of Stain - Sanshas Nation Entire region of Venal - Guristas Pirates Entire region of Outer Ring - ORE Entire region of Great Wildlands - Thucker Tribe Phoenix Constellation in Fountain - Serpentis and Angel Cartel XPJ1-6 and 6-UCYU Constellations in Delve - Blood Raider Covenant U-7RBK and 38G6-L in Pure Blind - Mordu's Legion and Sisters of Eve All of the stations in these regions are open to anyone. They even have mission agents you can use. All of them are sh*t to live in. Theres even some in geminate too. To the OP, the reason people assume you dont know anything is because you make terrible threads like these saying there isnt enough NPC stations proving you dont know anything... There are at least 25 in curse at a very underestimated guess. Go actually look at NPC regions before saying there isnt enpugh.
Actually I don't start many threads, and as stated this was a troll against the move lvl 4s.
I have went north the other week, lots of empty 0.0 no stations (bar 2 player owned stations right at the top, the locals weren't friendly at all. asking me to leave the system as I was ruining there game lol), no population.
Its already been stated that there are great swathes of 0.0 out there that are deserts, these need to be made interesting.
Tal
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2012.06.09 12:50:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Remove sovereignty, seed more NPC stations through out all 0.0 regions, open up 0.0 stations to all who want too visit.
Tal
should have titled the thread "How to make 80% of the current 0.0 population move to high-sec" |

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
68
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Posted - 2012.06.09 12:56:00 -
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Your idea
Talon SilverHawk wrote:Remove sovereignty, seed more NPC stations through out all 0.0 regions, open up 0.0 stations to all who want too visit.
your modification on the idea owing to ppl coming back saying that you had your head up your ass
Talon SilverHawk wrote:Don't insult, share with us these regions you speak of ?
Tal
And the response from Jafit
Quote: Entire region of Curse - Serpentis and Angel Cartel Entire region of Syndicate - Intaki Syndicate Entire region of Stain - Sanshas Nation Entire region of Venal - Guristas Pirates Entire region of Outer Ring - ORE Entire region of Great Wildlands - Thucker Tribe Phoenix Constellation in Fountain - Serpentis and Angel Cartel XPJ1-6 and 6-UCYU Constellations in Delve - Blood Raider Covenant U-7RBK and 38G6-L in Pure Blind - Mordu's Legion and Sisters of Eve
All of the stations in these regions are open to anyone. They even have mission agents you can use.
All of them are sh*t to live in
So now you have found that they exist AND YOU can go and visit them at any time (meeting your initial requests requirement) - what NOW do you want? Do you want to dock in ALL stations and for what purpose?
And ppl say that I am unfocused ..... I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |

AFK Hauler
State War Academy
372
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:10:00 -
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No!
It would turn 0.0 into a cesspool filled low sec-type players. |

Lord Zim
777
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:35:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Jafit wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Remove sovereignty, seed more NPC stations through out all 0.0 regions, open up 0.0 stations to all who want too visit.
Spoken like someone who hasn't even been to the existing NPC regions. Don't insult, share with us these regions you speak of ? Tal http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/0.0 |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:47:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Remove sovereignty, seed more NPC stations through out all 0.0 regions, open up 0.0 stations to all who want too visit.
Tal
Would probably make it a lot more interesting if sov was in fact real factional warfare instead of kitty online lets blue everyone and get 7500 kitty online friendies to play ponies .
 brb |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
386
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:51:00 -
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My milk shake brings all the trolls to the yard, And there like, Its better than yours, Damn right its better than yours,
I can teach you, But I have to charge
I know you want it, The thing that makes me, What the trolls go crazy for. They lose their minds, The way I wind, I think its time
Tal
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:53:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:My milk shake brings all the trolls to the yard, And there like, Its better than yours, Damn right its better than yours,
I can teach you, But I have to charge
I know you want it, The thing that makes me, What the trolls go crazy for. They lose their minds, The way I wind, I think its time
Tal
You forgot ponies  brb |

Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:58:00 -
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syndicate is a hotbed already guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you |

EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.06.09 15:03:00 -
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2 words for you OP.... **** cage, but then im sure you will come here posting remove bubbles. |

Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.06.09 15:06:00 -
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Diablo Ex wrote:Clearly Secular Wisdom holds no common sense... but...
In my view, 0.0 would be much easier to immigrate to "IF" certain sov holding alliances and corps would stop being such donkey head wear about recruitment. Their bovine posterior discharges about membership requirements, and the way they treat "renter" corps, keeps the population numbers low. To be honest, all they really want is more targets....
Well, bright star, to be return customers requires earning ISK in high sec for ship replacements, for every "Winner" there is a "Loser" who must now replace their stuff. Eventually, if you keep dumping your load of compost on high sec dwellers they will go find another game to play and you will still be an adolescent with hormonal issues and no girlfriend.
Just saying
It sucks that the only alliances that don't have renters and don't treat their friends like crap won't let the standard riffraff in, huh? |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
386
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Posted - 2012.06.09 15:10:00 -
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EvEa Deva wrote:2 words for you OP.... **** cage, but then im sure you will come here posting remove bubbles.
Why not, and whats the first word something cage ? |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1241
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Posted - 2012.06.09 15:14:00 -
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Diablo Ex wrote:Clearly Secular Wisdom holds no common sense... but...
In my view, 0.0 would be much easier to immigrate to "IF" certain sov holding alliances and corps would stop being such donkey head wear about recruitment. Their bovine posterior discharges about membership requirements, and the way they treat "renter" corps, keeps the population numbers low. To be honest, all they really want is more targets....
In my view, 0.0 is all player generated content.
Sadly those players fail to generate content that attracts anybody except ship shooters in any relevant numbers.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:18:00 -
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We are certainly in flame war territory.
I think the biggest impediment in null sec is that game mechanics allow the power blocks to hide behind their walls. There is no incentive to leave.
1) Limit corp size to 500 members. 2) Limit alliances to 5 corps max. with intelligent mechanics to prevent "alt-corps" from helping out in battles and system guarding/buffer zone type tactics. 3) Limit system Sov to 1 system per corp with 2 bonus systems for maxing corps in an alliance (2 systems owned by the Alliance and no single corp) - all systems must be adjacent forming a cluster. 4) Make moons, belts, planets deplete fairly quickly and recover fairly slowly, over time, such that the owners MUST seek new sources of raw materials regularly or die of "Technetium starvation". Then make the recovery variable, such that what was once a technetium moon becomes something else upon recovery, thus randomly relocating/shuffling all resources. 5) Then allow Sov in Lo sec so as many wimpy corps as possible can have a shot at system ownership. 6) Let the Powerblocks fight over all the cool resources ad infinitum with slowly replenishing resources available once is a while in their Sov systems.
I accept the flames as I'm sure forum warriors will shoot plenty of holes in these ideas. So I'll start the flames myself by pointing out that alt-corps can now easily act as helpers in many ways without Alliance/corp affiliation.
My real point is not any specific set of ideas, rather that things will not change until there are game mechanics that limit the size of any one entity, and give potent incentives to seek out and fight for juicy null sec resources. In fact, all out siege warfare would become a viable tactic if corps/alliances were limited to 7 or less adjacent systems. These basic concepts would allow for a much more dynamic null sec and accommodate regular transitions of power - assuming adequate game-mechanics are worked out.
The idea of POCO ownership was a nice try. But in the systems I travel and do business, I only see the same corps owning the same POCOs ever since they torched the InterBus COs and replaced with their own. No real long term stirring up of the PvP game that I can see. By all means, correct me if what I see in my patch of sky does not reflect reality. I believe something much more profound must happen if things are going to change and wide spread conflict is to be induced.
I do applaud the Goons. Burn Jita was brilliant. The scary thing is that The Mittani said that next time, there will be no warning. This is epic. This is the spirit of EvE. This is stepping out from the protection of their borders with guns blazing. However, they can afford this level of destruction exactly BECAUSE they are allowed to hoard celestial resources in (essentially) protected space while building an enormous empire.
I doubt anything will change any time soon, if ever. |

Lord Zim
777
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:24:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:1) Limit corp size to 500 members. hahahaha
Urgg Boolean wrote:2) Limit alliances to 5 corps max. ahahahahahahaha
Urgg Boolean wrote:with intelligent mechanics to prevent "alt-corps" from helping out in battles and system guarding/buffer zone type tactics. baaaaahahahahahahahahaha oh god you're killing me
Urgg Boolean wrote:3) Limit system Sov to 1 system per corp with 2 bonus systems for maxing corps in an alliance (2 systems owned by the Alliance and no single corp) - all systems must be adjacent forming a cluster. *wipes tear* jeez you're actually serious
Urgg Boolean wrote:4) Make moons, belts, planets deplete fairly quickly and recover fairly slowly, over time, such that the owners MUST seek new sources of raw materials regularly or die of "Technetium starvation". Then make the recovery variable, such that what was once a technetium moon becomes something else upon recovery, thus randomly relocating/shuffling all resources. I can only hope you think this'll actually decrease the price and aren't just trolling, that would make this whole post awesome. |

Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.06.09 23:10:00 -
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Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."
Call it Hardcore Mode or something. |

masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
690
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Posted - 2012.06.09 23:11:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Jafit wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Remove sovereignty, seed more NPC stations through out all 0.0 regions, open up 0.0 stations to all who want too visit.
Spoken like someone who hasn't even been to the existing NPC regions. Don't insult, share with us these regions you speak of ? Tal
Outer Ring and Syndicate are always hopping. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
690
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Posted - 2012.06.09 23:12:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."
Call it Hardcore Mode or something.
Let them start as a pirate faction, and give them some kind of faction noob ship. Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Ryoken McKeon
Monoideism Annex Group Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
10
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Posted - 2012.06.09 23:28:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Disregard That wrote:Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."
Call it Hardcore Mode or something. Let them start as a pirate faction, and give them some kind of faction noob ship.
Yes. Additionally, start them with extra SP and isk. |

Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2012.06.09 23:30:00 -
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Ryoken McKeon wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Disregard That wrote:Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."
Call it Hardcore Mode or something. Let them start as a pirate faction, and give them some kind of faction noob ship. Yes. Additionally, start them with extra SP and isk. I could see a token bump in starting ISK and Sp if a player wanted to take this route.
But nothing above the old 800k-ish characters we got around Trinity.
Anything above that would probably bring balance issues. |

Diablo Ex
Pro Synergy ARK.
27
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Posted - 2012.06.10 07:53:00 -
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As I tried to point out earlier, the change needed in 0.0 to promote population growth must come from the nullsec dwellers, not CCP. If the nullsec alliances truly wanted more population it could happen tomorrow. But, the prevailing attitude out there is political "protectionism" and hoarding of resources amongst a small percentage. This posturing gives them a measure of leverage over in game resources. Nullsec is not as broken as it's political leadership is. We as a community at large are allowing a few key players with political clout and industrial muscle dictate the game. Just like in the real world.
I'm a mere nobody, but I do have a certain bit of understanding. If I for one day could lead an "emergent" sandbox protest, I would have everybody in highsec reship into free noob ships and noobswarm nullsec until the Sov Napfest gets the message.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1246
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Posted - 2012.06.10 08:02:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."
Call it Hardcore Mode or something.
Asking for 0.0 to be improved by CCP is like asking for hi sec to be made safe by CCP.
0.0 is player made content.
Stop making sh!t content and people will flock to there. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |

RAP ACTION HERO
57
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Posted - 2012.06.10 08:41:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:We are certainly in flame war territory.
I think the biggest impediment in null sec is that game mechanics allow the power blocks to hide behind their walls. There is no incentive to leave.
1) Limit corp size to 500 members. 2) Limit alliances to 5 corps max. with intelligent mechanics to prevent "alt-corps" from helping out in battles and system guarding/buffer zone type tactics. 3) Limit system Sov to 1 system per corp with 2 bonus systems for maxing corps in an alliance (2 systems owned by the Alliance and no single corp) - all systems must be adjacent forming a cluster. 4) Make moons, belts, planets deplete fairly quickly and recover fairly slowly, over time, such that the owners MUST seek new sources of raw materials regularly or die of "Technetium starvation". Then make the recovery variable, such that what was once a technetium moon becomes something else upon recovery, thus randomly relocating/shuffling all resources. 5) Then allow Sov in Lo sec so as many wimpy corps as possible can have a shot at system ownership. 6) Let the Powerblocks fight over all the cool resources ad infinitum with slowly replenishing resources available once is a while in their Sov systems.
I accept the flames as I'm sure forum warriors will shoot plenty of holes in these ideas. So I'll start the flames myself by pointing out that alt-corps can now easily act as helpers in many ways without Alliance/corp affiliation.
My real point is not any specific set of ideas, rather that things will not change until there are game mechanics that limit the size of any one entity, and give potent incentives to seek out and fight for juicy null sec resources. In fact, all out siege warfare would become a viable tactic if corps/alliances were limited to 7 or less adjacent systems. These basic concepts would allow for a much more dynamic null sec and accommodate regular transitions of power - assuming adequate game-mechanics are worked out.
The idea of POCO ownership was a nice try. But in the systems I travel and do business, I only see the same corps owning the same POCOs ever since they torched the InterBus COs and replaced with their own. No real long term stirring up of the PvP game that I can see. By all means, correct me if what I see in my patch of sky does not reflect reality. I believe something much more profound must happen if things are going to change and wide spread conflict is to be induced.
I do applaud the Goons. Burn Jita was brilliant. The scary thing is that The Mittani said that next time, there will be no warning. This is epic. This is the spirit of EvE. This is stepping out from the protection of their borders with guns blazing. However, they can afford this level of destruction exactly BECAUSE they are allowed to hoard celestial resources in (essentially) protected space while building an enormous empire.
I doubt anything will change any time soon, if ever. christ that's just all kinds of dumb |

Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2012.06.10 09:01:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Asking for 0.0 to be improved by CCP is like asking for hi sec to be made safe by CCP.
0.0 is player made content.
Stop making sh!t content and people will flock to there.
Here's the mirror to "solitary carebears unite and go kick CFC off nullsec or GTFO":
"Null seccers since you are blued to the ass anyway, make a pact to create a player enforced 0.0 "hi sec" zone where to create a "0.0 Jita". Allow casual players to freely come and go in some systems you won't use anyway.
Then you might finally begin seeing somebody bothering leaving the comfortable, "everything handy, I can play 30 minutes a day" hi sec.
Sit down, young capsuleer, and let me tell you a tale of olde, about the most pure and devout of all alliances who roamed the dark skies of Providence just beneath the guiding light of Amarr homeworlds... |

Uinuva Karma
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2012.06.10 09:26:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Disregard That wrote:Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."
Call it Hardcore Mode or something. Let them start as a pirate faction, and give them some kind of faction noob ship.
This is the best idea ever 
Imagine starting in an NPC corp that had only players actually interested in the game EVE Online, sharing combat tips, fits and roaming together.
instead of starting with mentally challenged elders grinding the same 4 missions mutely with their 14 botting accounts since 2004, only occasionally dropping in the starter corp chat to bad advice.
Captain Kirk didn't stay in hisec.-á
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Bossy Lady
Aliastra Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.06.10 09:46:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."
Call it Hardcore Mode or something.
This.
Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M. |

Bossy Lady
Aliastra Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.06.10 09:47:00 -
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Uinuva Karma wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Disregard That wrote:Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."
Call it Hardcore Mode or something. Let them start as a pirate faction, and give them some kind of faction noob ship. This is the best idea ever  Imagine starting in an NPC corp that had only players actually interested in the game EVE Online, sharing combat tips, fits and roaming together. instead of starting with mentally challenged elders grinding the same 4 missions mutely with their 14 botting accounts since 2004, only occasionally dropping in the starter corp chat to bad advice.
It is a glorious vision!
Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M. |
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