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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2009.10.10 17:35:00 -
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I am having problems lately to continue a fan-fiction of mine. The problem is finding a proper name for a Civire character. I just can't figure out where the roots of the Civire back on Earth were. I asked some people ingame who told me that I should stop thinking of traditional nationalities, but still... Could you imagine an Gallente named Takeshi? Or an Achura named Bjorn? Me neither.
If anybody knows where the roots of the Civire are, please let me know ;)
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Mithfindel
Aseyakone
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Posted - 2009.10.10 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Mithfindel on 10/10/2009 19:06:20
Well, those aren't really clear. I assume any bloodlines that arose in Caldari Prime were rather effected by who they shared their "vaults" with (when the planet was colonized, the athmosphere wasn't breathable - the terraforming machines completed the process long into the Dark Age after the collapse of the gate, so the Caldari must have been stuck to biodomes or vaults of some kind for quite long).
The classic answer is that the Caldari are a mix of Americans, Japanese and Finns, with corporate traits coming from Americans and possibly Japanese (I don't know either culture well), and then the loyalty, sincerity etc. would sound to be coming from a very Finnish background. Back when there were only two bloodlines per race, the Civire were described as the "working class" ones, very frank, to the point etc. (see the New Horizons chronicle). Many names are bastardized Finnish surnames combined with what looks to be Japanese-sounding nonsense as a first name, but this is by no means the norm.
For a taster of ingame agent names, run a search in EVE Agents (eve-agents.com) for Caldari agents, pick a few Civire names from there. (Sadly, it doesn't filter by gender/bloodline, so have to go thru that information by hand.)
Edit: Fixed links
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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2009.10.10 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Sakura Imoru on 10/10/2009 20:49:48
Hmm, Finnish... sounds promising, I think I'll stick with that.
Thanks a lot^^
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.10.11 17:26:00 -
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Not Sephiroth.
Not Sakura Imoru either. What the hell? Sakura? Are you into anime 6 year olds?
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Saerinea Kael
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Posted - 2009.10.12 03:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Not Sephiroth.
Not Sakura Imoru either. What the hell? Sakura? Are you into anime 6 year olds?
Sakura, like most names made popular by anime, is a common Japanese name.
What you are doing by assuming that she chose her name based on Card Captors or any other anime with a female lead named as such (while it could be true) is equivalent to assuming that anyone who chose their name to be Bruce was doing such because they were a Batman fan.
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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2009.10.17 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Sakura Imoru on 17/10/2009 11:21:54
Edited by: Sakura Imoru on 17/10/2009 11:20:50
Originally by: Saerinea Kael
Sakura [...] is a common Japanese name.
This, just this, and only this was the reason why I have chosen "Sakura" as the name for my character. I was looking for a name with a nice ring to it for a person with more then obvious Asian origins, common enough to survive 20,000 years. And "Sakura" happens to fit these premises quite well.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.17 21:27:00 -
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Yes, I actually regret giving my character a Japanese name as well, but I was just finishing a Japanese course.
My suggestion is to take a look at Caldari agents and get some ideas from these "official" names.
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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2009.10.17 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Yes, I actually regret giving my character a Japanese name as well, but I was just finishing a Japanese course.
My suggestion is to take a look at Caldari agents and get some ideas from these "official" names.
Hey, I never said I regret it. In fact, I don't. I think it suits her perfectly
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.10.17 23:51:00 -
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To be honest, I've always found Japanese named characters to be a bit annoying. I live in Japan so for me it's kind of like flying around in the distant future running into "Robert Jones" or "Martha Smith." Not that my name is the best ever but could people put more effort into naming their toons than picking one from the credits of their favorite anime?
You can make a culturally fitting eve name without just copying it from the Earth culture you believe the eve culture was based on. Just make it up or alter it based on the phonetics of the language from the culture you wish to base the name on. For the most part I think that's what CCP did. There's a few Caldari system names that sound Japanese but aren't actually Japanese, Jita and Kusomonmon for example. And isn't that way better and more creative than CCP taking the easy way out and naming systems Tokyo Prime or Neo Osaka?
Sakura could be... Zakkura, Sakurai, Sadora etc.
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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2009.10.18 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth
To be honest, I've always found Japanese named characters to be a bit annoying. I live in Japan so for me it's kind of like flying around in the distant future running into "Robert Jones" or "Martha Smith." Not that my name is the best ever but could people put more effort into naming their toons than picking one from the credits of their favorite anime?
OK, once more: I did not, I repeat, NOT choose the name "Sakura" because of any manga-, anime-, comic- oder games-character, but because I think it is a nice name for an asian woman with a really nice ring.
I can understand that people living in Japan don't find it very interesting since they hear this name very often in real life, but I don't do where I live, so it is a nice diversion to my every-day life.
But most important: This is my character in EvE, I have to be able to live with it, its skills, looks, name. So it should be my decision alone how I make her look and how to name her. I find it rather presumptuous to talk into someones choices over this.
Originally by: Mr Reeth
Sakura could be... Zakkura, Sakurai, Sadora etc.
I actually like these since they could be really the way "Sakura" has evolved during 24,000 years. But I also know that in Japanese even an inch off to the proper pronounciation af a word could change its entire meaning to something completely different or total nonsense. And I do not want to have my toon having a name which happens to be another word for ばか
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Mithfindel
Aseyakone
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Posted - 2009.10.18 13:41:00 -
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There's also the "language translator" option - that the names are placeholders for the real name, conveying the "look and feel" to us instead of being the "actual" name. At times this is used as a literary device. As such, Achura named Sakura Imoru might be named actually something else that sounds to the capsuleer community about the similar than the name Sakura Imoru to an average 21st century person speaking bad English.
(Though I'd find it cool if there were Sindarin-speakers 20-odd millennia in the future. Add a smiley on this phrase as required.)
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.19 16:56:00 -
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Or you could always mix and match...
I know Tagami is a small town in Japan, but it is my gaming nick for years (has a totally other pronunciation and meaning in my native language) and I frankly don't know what it means.
Wasp was actually a translation of Tsuruchi, which is related in another game with archery...like missiles and long range combat?
But the mix seems to fit.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.10.20 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tagami Wasp
Or you could always mix and match...
I know Tagami is a small town in Japan, but it is my gaming nick for years (has a totally other pronunciation and meaning in my native language) and I frankly don't know what it means.
Wasp was actually a translation of Tsuruchi, which is related in another game with archery...like missiles and long range combat?
But the mix seems to fit.
Great name. Too bad you're a damn UK terrorist. 
I know Tegami, it's actually very close to where I live. And it translates to "the upper part of a rice field."
Your name actually has a sort of poetic imagery as it's easy to imagine a wasp hovering over a rice field in wait.
Too bad you didn't go for Tegami Hornet instead... there's a species of hornet here with a venom so powerful it can melt bone. It kills more people in Japan than all other wildlife combined.
And your general idea of combining names works great for pod pilots but might not work so well for a full cast of characters in somebodie's fiction.
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Lt Forge
Pilots From Honour
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.10.20 22:36:00 -
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As far I know, Caldari are naazi's so hence why you need to give him or her a typical naazi name.
(Caldari Japanese-German, Gallente French, see the connection?)
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.10.21 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Forge
As far I know, Caldari are naazi's so hence why you need to give him or her a typical naazi name.
(Caldari Japanese-German, Gallente French, see the connection?)
No.
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Kailea Shandrasekkar
Chor Tempest
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Posted - 2009.10.21 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth
(...) Sakura could be... Zakkura, Sakurai, Sadora etc.
That's actually how i picked this character's name - a derivative form of Chandrasekhar, the rationale being the slight form - but not phonetic - degradation as the millennia passes by.
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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2009.10.21 06:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sakura Imoru on 21/10/2009 06:58:51
Edited by: Sakura Imoru on 21/10/2009 06:57:22
Originally by: Lt Forge
As far I know, Caldari are naazi's so hence why you need to give him or her a typical naazi name.
(Caldari Japanese-German, Gallente French, see the connection?)
First of all: I am German. Belief me when I say that we hate nothing more then being called ****s. The Third Reich was obliterated over six decades ago, and I'm thankful for every higher being there is to let this happen, no matter if it's name is Jahwe, Jehova, Allah, Jupiter, Thor, Buddha or Patricia. Yeah, I know we have still some of these idiots running around here, but so does anybody else, ****s are not just a German problem. Our ancestors just happened to be the ones who were stupid enough to put them in charge.
No excuses: This shadow of the past will always hang over our country and puts on us a special obligation, but still it is just that: the past. There is almost nobody left from this dark period of German history, and by now we are a strong and stable democracy. We are not the Reich anymore. So please stop calling us ****s, since we don't call all Americans Rednecks...
Second: While it might be true that the Caldari are rather nationalistic, they are not ****s. The ****s think of themselves as being the superior race, born to rule over everybody else, and all others should either serve or be extinguished. This sounds more like the Amarrian ways to me. But they aren't ****s either. They are just religious fanatics who will find out soon enough, that their "god" does not exist
edit: At least this forum has an easy solution to get rid of them 
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Odins Blood
Nagrom Security Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:04:00 -
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um im just going to say that amarr= muslim fanatics and caldari... we do have a bit of a **** streak. so do all the races but for us its a little more obviose*.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.10.22 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Odins Blood
um im just going to say that amarr= muslim fanatics and caldari... we do have a bit of a **** streak. so do all the races but for us its a little more obviose*.
And apparently didn't read anything beyond the most basic of racial descriptions to come to these conclusions, resulting in an interpretation that tries to paint all the races into "20th century historical boxes." This does a disservice to the original world builders and those on CCP's fiction staff.
The factions described are not copies of historical geopolitical entities from Earth history. They are an amalgamation of multiple current and historical cultures and political thought processes.
To claim that the Caldari are national socialist ignores the structure of the State and focuses on one or two events described and reading over similar historical events(fx US imprisonment of Japanese-Americans at the outbreak of WW2).
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Wanoah
Minmatar
Msana Foundation
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Posted - 2009.11.03 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
To claim that the Caldari are national socialist ignores the structure of the State and focuses on one or two events described and reading over similar historical events(fx US imprisonment of Japanese-Americans at the outbreak of WW2).
Fascist, or corporatist might be closer. I know that national socialism and fascism are conflated, but the Caldari State certainly has some echoes of Italian Fascism. "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State" certainly resonates.
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Zeredek
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Posted - 2009.11.03 17:04:00 -
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Caldari have Japanese names
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