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Breaker77
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Posted - 2009.10.11 19:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Lecherito
Ray specifically stated that anyone caught "selling off" their account risked having their assets wiped.
I never said that.
I do remember that right after the announcement of account freezes someone made a post offering to buy EBank accounts and you did state along the lines of anyone doing that would have their account closed.
I've been digging through eve search for a while, but I will eventually find that post.
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Breaker77
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Posted - 2009.10.11 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: TraderAlt 4153172618
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Originally by: Leneerra
Are there people out there that have a loan with ebank that they wish to refinance or repay? I have up to 4.4Bil Ebank isk availeble for any such transaction.
Anyone caught doing this will have their loan defaulted, and all accounts belonging to the parties involved will be zeroed.
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1161131/page/all#741
Ahhh I see, so in otherwords you couldn't use EBank ISK to pay off an EBank loan. Must mean that EBank knows the ISK is worthless and will never be made back.
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Breaker77
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Posted - 2009.10.11 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
No, it's just worth less than it's face value at the moment, which you would get if you used it to pay off someone else's loan. Why is this so hard to understand?
So:
Person A has 4 billion in ebank
Person B has 4 billion loan
A sells B 4 billion in ebank for 1 billion ISK
On the balance sheet 4 billion in assets and 4 billion in liabilities are wiped out.
Person A made 25% of the ISK back.
Person B made 3 billion ISK (4 billion loan paid off with 1 billion ISK).
EBank loses interest on the 4 billion loan that was paid off early.
EBank is still not paying interest on the 4 billion that was deposited.
Collateral is paid back to person B (if any), reducing the amount of assets.
Now it makes sense, you couldn't actually scam as much as you wanted to if you allowed people to sell accounts to pay off loans. Person A and Person B are both happy, but your not since you just lost both the collateral AND the 4 billion on the loan. The 4 billion in the account isn't going to be paid back anyway.
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Breaker77
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Posted - 2009.10.13 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel
My point is that if you are harvesing and storing IP addresses you have an ethical responsibility not to discuss that information in any way on the eve online forum. The fact that you only confirmed that one ingame character was linked to another character is moot, because you referenced confidential information which should not be documented on a public forum. You have access to sensitive information which you not only harvest, but apparently store, and there are valid ethical concerns about how you use that information which you should consider before rushing to the forums to prove a point.
Are you aware that IP addresses can be spoofed or ran through proxies??? Not to mention that if you get a dynamic IP from your ISP you will have a different IP address very frequently.
Also what about some apartment buildings or college dorms?? There might be 500 people using the same public IP address and hiding behind the NAT of the router. That alone makes proving what characters are alts almost impossible since many people can share the same IP address.
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Breaker77
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Posted - 2009.10.14 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
The IP address corresponding to Mr H's accounts resolves to his company website, which lists his personal details.
Excellent, since I know where he works I shall inject a few hundred billion ISK under his IP address. After all it isn't that hard to use a proxy or do injection attacks to fake IP addresses. I shall see EBanks Defecit from 1.2 trillion to upwards of 4 or 5 trillion ISK all due to me.
See how easy that is to get a ton of ISK under a fake IP address??
Once you guys can actually prove that the accounts are one and the same then I wil give it a rest, until then you might as well just post "I have scammed you, thanks a lot".
Faking IP addresses is easier to do than breathing. Maybe once you get your head out of your ass then you might realize that.
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Breaker77
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Posted - 2009.10.20 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: RaWBLooD
Hexxx is a cool guy and so are all the other people working to get things done here.
I don't recall anyone saying they were not cool guys. Most of them were sucked into a bad deal and have to fix the mess they were left with.
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Breaker77
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Posted - 2009.10.21 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
The problem is, not a lot of the nuggets of wisdom are coming from the people that had an untouchable cult of personality around them a few weeks ago.
I kinda agree, the "MD elite" have turned into a "hope my rep saves me" attitude.
While my bond ended early, I paid out interest for the entire length of the bond. While over 1 trillion in ISK just vanished into thin air from the experts.
Who would you put your ISK into?
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