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Tbear Cave Bear Mining	Posted - 2009.10.11 19:27:00 - [1] For those original Eve players, those who have played this game since betas and who have maintained their accounts(s) since then, I would like to see a couple of things. First a means to communicate as a founders group with CCP outside this forum arena. Second, Eve Founders should have something in their sig to reflect their committment to Eve. Something in the players image (think T2 tag on eve items). Why? Because Eve Founders have stuck with this game through every up and down that Eve has had. Eve Founders love the game and want to see it thrive far into the future. As a group, they have the experience and committment to Eve that CCP should be interested in listening to. Tbear
offcopy Caldari OffBeat Creations	Posted - 2009.10.11 19:42:00 - [2] Originally by: Tbear First a means to communicate as a founders group with CCP outside this forum arena. one more useless group why not then again join csm. eve is a fair playing feild sure some have an advantage by playing longer but at the same time you give up we catch up.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.11 19:59:00 - [3] Maybe we could have "Bitter Vet" t-shirts in ambulation (or whatever the funky new hip name for it is now)? アニメ漫画です
kurg	Posted - 2009.10.11 20:08:00 - [4] I disagree with your proposal, however what i would like to see is some kind of vet reward system, just like most MMOs that reward players for their time played (monthly subs). I mean if your going to bend me over for X amount a month for X amount of time, at least have the decency to make me feel appreciated by my loyal commitment to your game
OwlManAtt Gallente Yasashii Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.10.11 20:08:00 - [5] What would a bitter vets-only E-O board accomplish, exactly? I really don't see a point to your idea beyond epeen waving. --- Owl
Mr M Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects	Posted - 2009.10.11 20:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Avon Maybe we could have "Bitter Vet" t-shirts in ambulation (or whatever the funky new hip name for it is now)? I was in beta and all I got was this lousy t-shirt? Eve Tribune\|EVEgeek\|Firebrand Radio
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.11 20:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Mr M Originally by: Avon Maybe we could have "Bitter Vet" t-shirts in ambulation (or whatever the funky new hip name for it is now)? I was in beta and all I got was this lousy t-shirt? That gets my vote. アニメ漫画です
Neriel Odershank	Posted - 2009.10.11 21:16:00 - [8] You were in beta, this is your reward, you don't need anything else. I wish i was in beta too, i'm here since 4 years (yes, alt here), i stucked with this game through every up and down that Eve has had too and i love the game and want to see it thrive far into the future; you don't need to be in beta to think and feel like that. You are not better than others, you are not a hero, you do not deserve anything more, your opinion is not more important that mine. Being in beta is not a merit, it's a privilege, if you think you deserve something more, you are a bad person.
Tau Dades Caldari Even End of the Universe	Posted - 2009.10.11 21:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Tbear I would like to see a couple of things. look in the mirror. You already have your sense of entitlement. is that not enough?
Tbear Cave Bear Mining	Posted - 2009.10.11 22:25:00 - [10] Thanks guys! Just what I expected to read here. You never disappoint CSM is a good idea, but anyone elected tends to have certain groups to speak for. Eve Founders just want the game to continue to thrive. CCP has done pretty good at doing just that, but those that have been here from the begining should have a place at the table to add their perspective to Eve's direction and future. Giving EF's a place to do so out of public view just might be a good way for CCP to have a discussion that remains positive and on topic. The forums are one approach to getting player feedback, but not the best for useful discussions as most of the post here show. But not to worry guys, chances are that this thread will rapidly fade from the first page anyway and our Icelandic CCP friends are probably still recovering from their hangovers and they will never read this anyway....
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.11 22:31:00 - [11] cannot see it alas, and started this fine game the first day after release in 2003. i am content to let the game be driven by the devs, whom i still trust to make the game exciting, and have not yet fully caved into the whiners.
Simeon Tor	Posted - 2009.10.11 22:41:00 - [12] I would say something along the lines of "So what do you want, a medal?" but it seems that you actually do want a medal. Talk about a god complex.
Xailia Unsteady Corporation	Posted - 2009.10.11 22:42:00 - [13] I like the T-shirt idea, I want a T-shirt! In all seriousness though; as an EVE Founder all I really want to see is CCP staying true to who they have been for the past decade+, and to continue the evolution of EVE in new positive ways. I know this, and don't need a special accolade or trinket to prove it to anyone. Some people do like those sorts of things, and maybe CCP will want to do something special; however, we don't really deserve anything beyond what we already have in game. "The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel."
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.10.12 00:07:00 - [14] The OP is an idiot who wants to be special. Im cool with you getting a F-n T-shirt - anything else is absurd. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.10.12 00:24:00 - [15] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 12/10/2009 00:23:59 Originally by: OwlManAtt What would a bitter vets-only E-O board accomplish, exactly? I really don't see a point to your idea beyond epeen waving. But...EVE needs a retirement home! Otherwise they'd just come here with their stories about how hard things used to be and how noobs today don't have any respect because they have things too easy. Plus it stops them from driving around at half the speed limit, with their turn signal on, randomly stopping, looking for that restaurant that hasn't existed for the last decade but had that great early bird special! And don't even get me started on them insisting on wearing highly inappropriate shorts that let way more then anyone wants to see hang out.
Glengrant TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.10.12 01:52:00 - [16] Originally by: kurg I disagree with your proposal, however what i would like to see is some kind of vet reward system, just like most MMOs that reward players for their time played (monthly subs). We already got the reward - the game for all those years. To OP: Superfluous group. The game will be influenced the most by those who are most active/loud. Vets already had more years to be active and loud in. ;-) Also the opinion of a player who just played for 9 months but gets the game and has reasonable ideas should not be deemed lesser than a beta vet who still doesn't understand game design/mechanics and keeps whining about some pet peeve. Meritocracy > Gerontocracy. ;-) --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back! Laptop, NVidia7900GS, Ubuntu 8.04, WINE
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2009.10.12 02:18:00 - [17] For Ambulation I prefer a '23' badge in the golden ratio proportion. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Michwich	Posted - 2009.10.12 02:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Neriel Odershank You were in beta, this is your reward, you don't need anything else. I wish i was in beta too, i'm here since 4 years (yes, alt here), i stucked with this game through every up and down that Eve has had too and i love the game and want to see it thrive far into the future; you don't need to be in beta to think and feel like that. You are not better than others, you are not a hero, you do not deserve anything more, your opinion is not more important that mine. Being in beta is not a merit, it's a privilege, if you think you deserve something more, you are a bad person. But he is better than you, his opinions matter more and he is a hero. Because hes been here longer. CPP must reward him with a badge. And you dont get one.
Amitious Turkey Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation	Posted - 2009.10.12 03:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Neriel Odershank You were in beta, this is your reward, you don't need anything else. I wish i was in beta too, i'm here since 4 years (yes, alt here), i stucked with this game through every up and down that Eve has had too and i love the game and want to see it thrive far into the future; you don't need to be in beta to think and feel like that. You are not better than others, you are not a hero, you do not deserve anything more, your opinion is not more important that mine. Being in beta is not a merit, it's a privilege, if you think you deserve something more, you are a bad person. 6 year vet here, I agree. Though I wouldn't mind a perk, like snowballs that don't melt, or even a free t-shirt BECAUSE OF FALCONDUST! Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3 GO NAVIGATOR <3
Hroya Gallente TerraNovae	Posted - 2009.10.12 03:56:00 - [20] How about a T-shirt for those vets: EvE I made you look, didnt I !
Crewman Jenkins Caldari Malicious Demi-Lancers	Posted - 2009.10.12 05:27:00 - [21] Eve shirts with year numbers on them? I'm an 05er.
Tbear Cave Bear Mining	Posted - 2009.10.12 06:15:00 - [22] Or....an '05er' logo on the sides of our ships Think that would draw any attention... I had to laugh a bit at reading some of these responses. We all know that in Eve if you set yourself apart from the mob that someone in the mob will turn you into bio goo, or at least try...... Still, while I too have faith in CCP to keep the game growing, talking to the original pod pilots that are still active certaintly couldn't hurt. Who knows, maybe the old guys may have a good idea or two.... Tbear
Neriel Odershank	Posted - 2009.10.12 09:02:00 - [23] I seriously think that you are an idiot now. You are not a "FOUNDER", ridiculous. Maybe you want some kind of reward simply becouse you are failing at eve, and you think that beta players should be special. Well, you are not, face it, you were just lucky to start at the beginning, there is no honor in that, and that do not mean that your opinion is better than mine.
Amaron Ghant Caldari Matsuko Industries	Posted - 2009.10.12 10:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Avon Maybe we could have "Bitter Vet" t-shirts in ambulation (or whatever the funky new hip name for it is now)? Ooooo I'd go for one of those :)
Davich MacGregor Minmatar Stellar Products and Quality Resources	Posted - 2009.10.12 10:58:00 - [25] Originally by: Avon Maybe we could have "Bitter Vet" t-shirts in ambulation (or whatever the funky new hip name for it is now)? Do I detect a bit of jealousy? In any event, you all took the troll bait. Gratz.
Winters Chill Amarr Genetic Perfection	Posted - 2009.10.12 11:00:00 - [26] Originally by: Avon Maybe we could have "Bitter Vet" t-shirts in ambulation (or whatever the funky new hip name for it is now)? Dark Blood Bitter Vet t-shirt. When worn with the True Sansha leather pants, you get a +0 to nothing because ambulation is not a game.
Ferdio Ricotez Gallente Killer Carebears Greater Pathetic Community	Posted - 2009.10.12 11:06:00 - [27] My vote goes out to T-shirts. I have been playing EVE for less than a year, but I really wanna see all those people with "I was in beta and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt" walking around when Incarna comes out. Yes, Ambulation is now called Incarna. No, CCP has not yet specified a release date. I expect it to change names another two or three times before the release date goes from 'When It's Ready' to 'Soon(TM)'. ----- Gallente flying Minmatar - A Podlog
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.12 11:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Danton Marcellus For Ambulation I prefer a '23' badge in the golden ratio proportion. Cool, I'd qualify for one of those too (if the 23 was real, which it wasn't, obviously, honest). I'm gonna look pimp in my Vet T-Shirt and my 23 pin ... I wonder if I could get a "Smurgleblaster" cap too? Originally by: Davich MacGregor Originally by: Avon Maybe we could have "Bitter Vet" t-shirts in ambulation (or whatever the funky new hip name for it is now)? Do I detect a bit of jealousy? Well, as I would qualify as an "Eve Founder" I'd have to say no. What you are detecting is "bvs" (bitter vet syndrome) which is a type of "goms" (grumpy old man syndrome). I have nothing against the introduction of "StuffÖ" as vet rewards, so long as it is worthless, non-transferable, and preferably ironic. アニメ漫画です
Korizan Red Mercury Incorporated	Posted - 2009.10.12 13:10:00 - [29] Well when walking in stations comes along they can give out medals for years of service or maybe something along those lines.
Haakon Jarl Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.12 13:17:00 - [30] I'm a vet user of the internet. I've used internet since windows 3.1 I want something as well, because if it hadnt been for vet users of internet there would never had been mmo's. In it for the state

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