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Woodbine	Posted - 2004.10.28 17:03:00 - [1] Hi, I have a server that is in no 24\7\365... Its a business account and so I have uptime. If there are CEO's out there that want a TS server for there corp then I can run it on my box. There will be a simple ISK charge per week or month to host on this server. I will make the CEO of the corp or the appointed person a server admin for there TS server. If you would like to talk to me about this then please can you evemail me. This server is used daily by myself as a company machine and by my corp as a TS server. This is an open offer and will be very easy for all. The ISK price will be talked about.
Woodbine	Posted - 2004.10.28 17:03:00 - [2] Hi, I have a server that is in no 24\7\365... Its a business account and so I have uptime. If there are CEO's out there that want a TS server for there corp then I can run it on my box. There will be a simple ISK charge per week or month to host on this server. I will make the CEO of the corp or the appointed person a server admin for there TS server. If you would like to talk to me about this then please can you evemail me. This server is used daily by myself as a company machine and by my corp as a TS server. This is an open offer and will be very easy for all. The ISK price will be talked about.
Cortex Reaver	Posted - 2004.10.28 17:16:00 - [3] Deja vu. . . if you're gonna charge people for real or virtual money, you had better have a commercial TS license. I like the TS guys, so I will rat you out. -CR /* Cortex Reaver crtxreavr at trioptimum dot com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 */
Cortex Reaver	Posted - 2004.10.28 17:16:00 - [4] Deja vu. . . if you're gonna charge people for real or virtual money, you had better have a commercial TS license. I like the TS guys, so I will rat you out. -CR /* Cortex Reaver crtxreavr at trioptimum dot com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 */
The Enslaver	Posted - 2004.10.28 17:28:00 - [5] Charging RL money is illegal without a license, charging fantasy money is perfectly legal, as it doesn't cover it at all in their license. Grow up. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2004.10.28 17:28:00 - [6] Charging RL money is illegal without a license, charging fantasy money is perfectly legal, as it doesn't cover it at all in their license. Grow up. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
PrimalFear	Posted - 2004.10.28 17:58:00 - [7] Haha, good idea to make some money but I might look into your little service you got running here, good idea
PrimalFear	Posted - 2004.10.28 17:58:00 - [8] Haha, good idea to make some money but I might look into your little service you got running here, good idea
Heine Shaver	Posted - 2004.10.28 18:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Cortex Reaver Deja vu. . . if you're gonna charge people for real or virtual money, you had better have a commercial TS license. I like the TS guys, so I will rat you out. -CR How dare you have a quote about freedom while posting this crap. I'm gonna grief you at every possible chance.
Heine Shaver	Posted - 2004.10.28 18:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Cortex Reaver Deja vu. . . if you're gonna charge people for real or virtual money, you had better have a commercial TS license. I like the TS guys, so I will rat you out. -CR How dare you have a quote about freedom while posting this crap. I'm gonna grief you at every possible chance.
Woodbine	Posted - 2004.10.29 00:37:00 - [11] As it says in my post it will only be isk that I will charge... on a weekly, monthly basis
Woodbine	Posted - 2004.10.29 00:37:00 - [12] As it says in my post it will only be isk that I will charge... on a weekly, monthly basis
mrbabooon	Posted - 2004.10.29 01:43:00 - [13] You should snapp this deal up, its a good server and it IS up 24/7/365, and on his connection its nice and smooth. If your smart you'll be on this like a fat kid on a smartie.
mrbabooon	Posted - 2004.10.29 01:43:00 - [14] You should snapp this deal up, its a good server and it IS up 24/7/365, and on his connection its nice and smooth. If your smart you'll be on this like a fat kid on a smartie.
Soap Box	Posted - 2004.10.29 01:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Cortex Reaver Deja vu. . . if you're gonna charge people for real or virtual money, you had better have a commercial TS license. I like the TS guys, so I will rat you out. -CR I allways wanted to say this: STFU YOU N00B
Soap Box	Posted - 2004.10.29 01:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Cortex Reaver Deja vu. . . if you're gonna charge people for real or virtual money, you had better have a commercial TS license. I like the TS guys, so I will rat you out. -CR I allways wanted to say this: STFU YOU N00B
Bohr	Posted - 2004.10.29 06:28:00 - [17] Edited by: Bohr on 29/10/2004 06:31:51 Originally by: Cortex Reaver Deja vu. . . if you're gonna charge people for real or virtual money, you had better have a commercial TS license. I like the TS guys, so I will rat you out. -CR From all the heartfelt comments you've gotten so far you're right tho. Espicially as TS is allready running a free-ware concept.
Bohr	Posted - 2004.10.29 06:28:00 - [18] Edited by: Bohr on 29/10/2004 06:31:51 Originally by: Cortex Reaver Deja vu. . . if you're gonna charge people for real or virtual money, you had better have a commercial TS license. I like the TS guys, so I will rat you out. -CR From all the heartfelt comments you've gotten so far you're right tho. Espicially as TS is allready running a free-ware concept.
Graelyn	Posted - 2004.10.29 06:59:00 - [19] Hmm.... Mind an offer from militant Amarrians? Minister - Public Affairs AEGIS MILITIA ATCR Forums
Graelyn	Posted - 2004.10.29 06:59:00 - [20] Hmm.... Mind an offer from militant Amarrians? Minister - Public Affairs AEGIS MILITIA ATCR Forums
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.10.29 07:29:00 - [21] I wonder if this even passes the UELA. I bet an expensive lawyer could make it so your actualyl selling isk for real life services...which is not in line with the UELA since you can't sell isk... Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.10.29 07:29:00 - [22] I wonder if this even passes the UELA. I bet an expensive lawyer could make it so your actualyl selling isk for real life services...which is not in line with the UELA since you can't sell isk... Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
Canthus Prime	Posted - 2004.10.29 09:08:00 - [23] Edited by: Canthus Prime on 29/10/2004 09:11:14 A very similar comment from Cortex Reaver in a similar thread. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=119436 I have just started hosting my own server. All is fine and arsehats like CR can get a life. I notice after my posts about the licence and how I interpret them CR has not made any further posts. Best of luck with your server Woodbine. Also cheers for the info Enslaver. Great confimation post.
Canthus Prime	Posted - 2004.10.29 09:08:00 - [24] Edited by: Canthus Prime on 29/10/2004 09:11:14 A very similar comment from Cortex Reaver in a similar thread. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=119436 I have just started hosting my own server. All is fine and arsehats like CR can get a life. I notice after my posts about the licence and how I interpret them CR has not made any further posts. Best of luck with your server Woodbine. Also cheers for the info Enslaver. Great confimation post.
Nyphur	Posted - 2004.10.29 10:01:00 - [25] As much as I want a Teamspeak server up and wouldn't mind, I have to side with rule and law here, not the random oblivious fellows telling each other to shut up back and forth. Eve's Terms of Service, point 10 states: "You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items." This means explicitly that you may not transfer ISK to someone else's account for any out-of-game action. To ask payment for a teamspeak server makes you as bad as those fellows who buy ISK on ebay, just that you're providing a service instead of paying cash. After reading over the teamspeak server license, I determined that it's not agaisnt the server license as you're running this server on a home computer, not a "corporate machine". Seriously, read over that thing. The clause about making profit from it and such is only applicable if the aforementioned condition of it being run on a corporate machine is met. As long as this guy runs it on his home computer, there's absolutely no license-breaking going on and he's free to go about it. So basically, what you need now is to get the OK from CCP about charging real ISK for an out-of-game service. If they say no, you can never run a teamspeak server for ISK. If they say yes, you're free to do so. However, if you don't ask, you are in clear violation of Eve's Terms of Service (point 10) and can be banned if CCP decide to take action. In short, don't start this up without asking for and obtaining permission from CCP, otherwise your permission to play Eve and your Eve account are legally forfeit.
Nyphur	Posted - 2004.10.29 10:01:00 - [26] As much as I want a Teamspeak server up and wouldn't mind, I have to side with rule and law here, not the random oblivious fellows telling each other to shut up back and forth. Eve's Terms of Service, point 10 states: "You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items." This means explicitly that you may not transfer ISK to someone else's account for any out-of-game action. To ask payment for a teamspeak server makes you as bad as those fellows who buy ISK on ebay, just that you're providing a service instead of paying cash. After reading over the teamspeak server license, I determined that it's not agaisnt the server license as you're running this server on a home computer, not a "corporate machine". Seriously, read over that thing. The clause about making profit from it and such is only applicable if the aforementioned condition of it being run on a corporate machine is met. As long as this guy runs it on his home computer, there's absolutely no license-breaking going on and he's free to go about it. So basically, what you need now is to get the OK from CCP about charging real ISK for an out-of-game service. If they say no, you can never run a teamspeak server for ISK. If they say yes, you're free to do so. However, if you don't ask, you are in clear violation of Eve's Terms of Service (point 10) and can be banned if CCP decide to take action. In short, don't start this up without asking for and obtaining permission from CCP, otherwise your permission to play Eve and your Eve account are legally forfeit.
Canthus Prime	Posted - 2004.10.29 10:17:00 - [27] Nyphur, read the last post in the thread about my teamspeak server. It is not against Teamspeak licence to get Non Real Profit. Teamspeak expands the game. When I first wanted to set up a server, about a year ago, I asked devs and CCP about hosting, they said at the time that there was no problem but they were not going to host it themselves. I then didnt need to host it as another server was being used. It is an agreement between two parties to use a service. What is wrong with a nominal charge to cover the hastle of setting up a server and running it? I for one am not looking to make an income from running the server and there will be no Real Life Profit in doing so. Areas of the Eve map are out of bounds unless you pay a licence fee to whichever pirates are 'controlling' that sector. So what is acceptable is that people can pay real life money for a game to CCP and then be charged by pirates to enter an area of the game you have paid for and CCP does nothing about it? Are not the pirates directly making a profit from the game and so would that be against the EULA ? On the other hand, Isk IS NOT MONEY. CHARGING ISK IS NOT MAKING A PROFIT. Selling Isk on ebay is against the EULA as it involves real life money. I dont see why you are getting so uptight about the situation. If you dont want to use it, dont use it.
Canthus Prime	Posted - 2004.10.29 10:17:00 - [28] Nyphur, read the last post in the thread about my teamspeak server. It is not against Teamspeak licence to get Non Real Profit. Teamspeak expands the game. When I first wanted to set up a server, about a year ago, I asked devs and CCP about hosting, they said at the time that there was no problem but they were not going to host it themselves. I then didnt need to host it as another server was being used. It is an agreement between two parties to use a service. What is wrong with a nominal charge to cover the hastle of setting up a server and running it? I for one am not looking to make an income from running the server and there will be no Real Life Profit in doing so. Areas of the Eve map are out of bounds unless you pay a licence fee to whichever pirates are 'controlling' that sector. So what is acceptable is that people can pay real life money for a game to CCP and then be charged by pirates to enter an area of the game you have paid for and CCP does nothing about it? Are not the pirates directly making a profit from the game and so would that be against the EULA ? On the other hand, Isk IS NOT MONEY. CHARGING ISK IS NOT MAKING A PROFIT. Selling Isk on ebay is against the EULA as it involves real life money. I dont see why you are getting so uptight about the situation. If you dont want to use it, dont use it.
Nyphur	Posted - 2004.10.29 10:25:00 - [29] Edited by: Nyphur on 29/10/2004 10:51:04 Originally by: Canthus Prime Nyphur, read the last post in the thread about my teamspeak server. It is not against Teamspeak licence to get Non Real Profit. Erm... you didn't read my post at all, did you? Go back and read it, then reply. I know it's not against the teamspeak service. I said that... You just wasted a perfectly good few minutes of posting time because you simply didn't read my post. It's not against the TS lisence, but it's against eve's rules. EDIT: And I'm not getting uptight about it, I'm just worried for this guy. He might lose his account and ability to play eve if he doesn't ask Eve's permission. I want the server up and I would happilly pay, but only if he gets the OK from CCP and proof can be demonstrated by way of an ISD representative or one of the Eve Devs posting that it's alright for him to charge ISK for a teamspeak server. SECOND EDIT: Sorry, I hadn't read the bulk of your message because the first few lines were misconcieved. I just read on and found that the rest was similarly misconcieved - so much so that I felt I had to edit my post again and correct you: You said "Areas of the Eve map are out of bounds unless you pay a licence fee to whichever pirates are 'controlling' that sector." and then related that to people paying "real life money for a game to CCP and then be charged by pirates to enter an area of the game you have paid for". You went on to cap this statement off with "Are not the pirates directly making a profit from the game and so would that be against the EULA ?" I'm afraid I can't take this seriously. That argument is a joke, man... The Eve Terms of Service prohibits trading anything in-game for anything not in-game. You're trading in-game ISK for in-game passage of an area of space. I fail to see how this violates the TOS. It doesnt violate it at all. If they charged cash for it, it would violate the TOS, but charging ISK is fine. Keep in mind that you pay CCP for playing Eve as it is, not for the right to go to any solar system you want. Eve is an MMORPG - CCP took thousands of players and dumped them into a complex world to sort themselves out. You have absolutely no right to do whatever you want just because you pay to play the game. If you can find a point in the EULA that says you are paying for the right to go to 0.0, I'll eat my computer monitor.
Nyphur	Posted - 2004.10.29 10:25:00 - [30] Edited by: Nyphur on 29/10/2004 10:51:04 Originally by: Canthus Prime Nyphur, read the last post in the thread about my teamspeak server. It is not against Teamspeak licence to get Non Real Profit. Erm... you didn't read my post at all, did you? Go back and read it, then reply. I know it's not against the teamspeak service. I said that... You just wasted a perfectly good few minutes of posting time because you simply didn't read my post. It's not against the TS lisence, but it's against eve's rules. EDIT: And I'm not getting uptight about it, I'm just worried for this guy. He might lose his account and ability to play eve if he doesn't ask Eve's permission. I want the server up and I would happilly pay, but only if he gets the OK from CCP and proof can be demonstrated by way of an ISD representative or one of the Eve Devs posting that it's alright for him to charge ISK for a teamspeak server. SECOND EDIT: Sorry, I hadn't read the bulk of your message because the first few lines were misconcieved. I just read on and found that the rest was similarly misconcieved - so much so that I felt I had to edit my post again and correct you: You said "Areas of the Eve map are out of bounds unless you pay a licence fee to whichever pirates are 'controlling' that sector." and then related that to people paying "real life money for a game to CCP and then be charged by pirates to enter an area of the game you have paid for". You went on to cap this statement off with "Are not the pirates directly making a profit from the game and so would that be against the EULA ?" I'm afraid I can't take this seriously. That argument is a joke, man... The Eve Terms of Service prohibits trading anything in-game for anything not in-game. You're trading in-game ISK for in-game passage of an area of space. I fail to see how this violates the TOS. It doesnt violate it at all. If they charged cash for it, it would violate the TOS, but charging ISK is fine. Keep in mind that you pay CCP for playing Eve as it is, not for the right to go to any solar system you want. Eve is an MMORPG - CCP took thousands of players and dumped them into a complex world to sort themselves out. You have absolutely no right to do whatever you want just because you pay to play the game. If you can find a point in the EULA that says you are paying for the right to go to 0.0, I'll eat my computer monitor.

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