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Darkstar Nemesis	Posted - 2009.10.12 11:38:00 - [1] I am just starting to learn to probe for ships. Is it possible to fit a ship with an expanded probe launcher and a covert-ops cloak and still be viable for solo pvp when you have found your target. I am assuming it will be a very tight fit and will therefore reduce the amount of targets that can be engaged. Are there any other options such as using a larger ship such as a Domi with expanded probe launcher and an improved cloaking device II or will the targeting delay be too long to catch any ships doing missions or in safe spots? Thanks for any advice.
kyrv	Posted - 2009.10.12 11:43:00 - [2] Edited by: kyrv on 12/10/2009 11:44:30 Rummage around for high cpu and some mid slots edit- steath bomber is an idea
Khors Amtek Inc	Posted - 2009.10.12 11:46:00 - [3] maybe something like this: [Pilgrim, expanded] Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating 10MN Afterburner II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 requires recons 5 ofc. And I just put it together now real fast, Im sure I missed something important.
NoNah	Posted - 2009.10.12 11:47:00 - [4] Cov ops cloak means you have five options: Covert Ops(frigate) Stealth Bomber(frigate) Recon(Cruiser) Blockade Runner(Industrial) Strategic Cruiser For obvious reasons blockade runner and covert ops won't do this well. Stealth Bomber works, however with all that CPU dropped into a probe launcher it's a tad gimped. It still works with a few adjustments, you will still do decent damage, but you're still in a frigate hull that's forced to engage larger opponents. Attacking unaware missionrunners who forgot their drones may work, attacking any player with a clue, probably will not. The recons would work, but with a prober on there the only recon that could realisticly still pvp would be the pilgrim, and even that severly crippled. Hence... strategic cruisers. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 5471
Vidi Angelus Caldari Axis and Alloys Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.12 12:50:00 - [5] Stealth bombers can be viable, But most standard fits are strapped for CPU already, so as mentioned, you're going to be seriously gimped. Although with such a fit you could scan down and **** safespot haulers foolish enough not to fit a cloak in the highslot. Your best bet is to use a tech 3 cruiser, but remember that with >5 second align time they can still be easily decloaked by a single competent interceptor (and covert configs don't have the drone power to force a disengagement) A larger ship with a cloak will work, but you'll have a seriously gimped sensor resolution But better than both of the above, is to bring a buddy along with a scan launcher. a bomber fit for DPS and a covert ops /w scan launcher and ewar mods make a nice duo. the purifer works well here due to good explosive EHP, you can tank un bonused warrior IIs for 45 seconds, which realistically gives you 60 seconds or so.
Precisionist	Posted - 2009.10.12 13:32:00 - [6] I would say a pilgrim with a AB 800 plate and MAR need good fitting skills to make it a fit and a %3 Cpu implant. You can fit 2 med neuts a cap injector, only problem is you will not have speed, but if you are looking to solo pvp with a probe launcher u dont need it.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.10.12 14:03:00 - [7] Some of the cloaky recons can do this effectively and aren't quite as expensive as a T3 cruiser. I would take a look at the Rapier, Arazu and maybe the Pilgrim. ----- The Python Cartel - My Pirate Blog
NoNah	Posted - 2009.10.12 14:04:00 - [8] Originally by: Spectre3353 Some of the cloaky recons can do this effectively and aren't quite as expensive as a T3 cruiser. I would take a look at the Rapier, Arazu and maybe the Pilgrim. Care to elaborate a bit on this? I'm having a hard time fitting both arazus and rapiers the way requested. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 789107
Misaniovent Blood Phage Syndicate Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2009.10.12 16:54:00 - [9] All of the T3 ships can fit the covert ops subsystem and the electronics subsystem that allows the use of probes. The Legion is probably the worst for this, however, because it does not get a damage bonus. You can definitely fit an Arazu or Rapier with expanded probe launchers, but it's going to be hard to make it effective solo at the same time.
Max Hardcase Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2009.10.12 18:36:00 - [10] Solo Arazu

Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.10.12 19:27:00 - [11] Originally by: NoNah Originally by: Spectre3353 Some of the cloaky recons can do this effectively and aren't quite as expensive as a T3 cruiser. I would take a look at the Rapier, Arazu and maybe the Pilgrim. Care to elaborate a bit on this? I'm having a hard time fitting both arazus and rapiers the way requested. Here is one fit I used to use. Usually as prober/tackler/scouter for a gang but occasionally to take down mission runners solo: Quote: [Arazu, Logistics w/ Damps & MWD] Co-Processor II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2 With Recon V you could fit some guns in the last 2 highs for a little more DPS. The DPS in general though is going to be very low (100 to 150 DPS) based on your skills and if someone kills your drones you're going to be uber screwed. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "effective" above :) Instead lets go with "barely adequate". ----- The Python Cartel - My Pirate Blog
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2009.10.12 19:58:00 - [12] This is what I have been using. It works well for me. Having neuts without a cap booster, like the fit above, is asking for trouble. If flying a pilgrim - or any recon, honestly - Recon 5 is a must-have. Scram is required to turn off enemy MWDs; web to slow them down. Otherwise, you'll find targets outrunning you very quickly. Pilgrim is slow already, and adding plates just makes it even more slow. Depending on your tastes, you may want to swap a tracking disruptor for a second web, but I prefer the TD. A lot of people don't like my SAR on here either, but I have found it to be useful when flying solo. No need to dock up and repair after a fight, it does help a little during the fight, and adding an extra nano resist doesn't help much at all. Spend the extra money for faction / deadspace gear. You're already blowing 100m on the ship, a little extra won't hurt you. Always carry a set of ECM drones. Using a Domi with a cloak isn't going to work very well; the targeting delay will hurt you, and you lose the ability to enter the area and assess the situation without alerting your target to your presence. The covert ops cloak is a great way to ensure that you only engage in fights that you KNOW you will win. [Pilgrim, Solo] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Co-Processor II Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane F85 Peripheral Damage System I Dark Blood Small Armor Repairer Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400 J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I 10MN Afterburner II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x10
Susy Assulu Caldari Atomic Mexicans	Posted - 2009.10.12 20:53:00 - [13] [Rapier, ****!] Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 Warrior II x3 As said, rapier can also do it but its tank and DPS are rather crap :)
Min Mae	Posted - 2009.10.12 23:22:00 - [14] you should just resign and fit the ships the way they are supposed to be fit and form a gang. What's with all the solo crap in an mmo? Go play cod if you wanna solo!! ;)
W0wbagger	Posted - 2009.10.12 23:48:00 - [15] Edited by: W0wbagger on 12/10/2009 23:49:22 Although I've soloed mission runners in an Arazu you're really limited to cruisers or failfit bcs at the most due to lack of dps. The Pilgrim is the most viable (ok dps and kills any active tank) but imo the need for a cloak is overstated. I'd want one in null for sure but in lowsec I had a lot of success probing mission runners in my Rook (no fun if they're more than 30k away when you warp in though). One option if you're insisting on a low dps recon is if you manage to get into the mission without being decloaked (you can activate accel gates while cloaked if you sidle up to them at 2500m) then you could wait until the mission runner is under full aggro - meaning you won't need as much dps to tip them over the edge. Obviously i'm assuming here that by mentioning probing and solo pvp you mean your targets will predominantly be mission runners or plexers
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2009.10.13 01:20:00 - [16] [Prowler, New Setup 1] Dread Guristas Co-Processor Dread Guristas Co-Processor 10MN Afterburner I Dark Blood Warp Scrambler Medium Shield Extender II Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I needs +3% cpu imp :o - putting the gist back into logistics
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.10.13 01:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Min Mae you should just resign and fit the ships the way they are supposed to be fit and form a gang. Whats so wrong about fitting a Rapier or Arazu for combat probing? They get the bonus to tackling gear, makes perfect sense to have those as probers in your gang instead of a covert ops frigate. As far as solo is concerned, both can take out targets on their own if you know what you are doing (and choose your prey well).
Precisionist	Posted - 2009.10.13 19:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Andrea Griffin This is what I have been using. It works well for me. Having neuts without a cap booster, like the fit above, is asking for trouble. If flying a pilgrim - or any recon, honestly - Recon 5 is a must-have. Scram is required to turn off enemy MWDs; web to slow them down. Otherwise, you'll find targets outrunning you very quickly. Pilgrim is slow already, and adding plates just makes it even more slow. Depending on your tastes, you may want to swap a tracking disruptor for a second web, but I prefer the TD. A lot of people don't like my SAR on here either, but I have found it to be useful when flying solo. No need to dock up and repair after a fight, it does help a little during the fight, and adding an extra nano resist doesn't help much at all. Spend the extra money for faction / deadspace gear. You're already blowing 100m on the ship, a little extra won't hurt you. Always carry a set of ECM drones. Using a Domi with a cloak isn't going to work very well; the targeting delay will hurt you, and you lose the ability to enter the area and assess the situation without alerting your target to your presence. The covert ops cloak is a great way to ensure that you only engage in fights that you KNOW you will win. [Pilgrim, Solo] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Co-Processor II Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane F85 Peripheral Damage System I Dark Blood Small Armor Repairer Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400 J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I 10MN Afterburner II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x10 not a bad fit, but i would not put a trimark/1600 plate, I would put a 800 plate MAR, 2 neuts AB, CPU implant %3 and maybe some other stuff, But i would use a TD ,but I use my pilgrim as a alt, I have a ishtar, that has a td as well, so any turret ship is kind of screwed, missles ships can hurt, specially drake, but with AB tanking them, you should hold out, if they are passive it will be tuff, but with 5 hammer TII and 5 ogre TIIs or 5 valks 5 berserks, you should take on a drake, specially in a misson.
Footoo Rama Gallente Caldari Illuminati	Posted - 2009.10.13 19:06:00 - [19] Originally by: Max Hardcase Solo Arazu [Arazu, Foo's arazu] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Warp Scrambler II Warp Disruptor II 10MN Afterburner II Drone Link Augmentor I 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2 you can swap the scrambler for a web if you want. This can hold pretty much anything out there till the end of time. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
NoNah	Posted - 2009.10.13 21:51:00 - [20] Just curious, but does any of you arazu pilots actually use the setups you mention? The arazu is fine, as a blarazu. Though with some 30% dps lost thanks to the extra probe launcher(Co-processor and lack of blaster) it won't get more than some 3-350 dps. Oh, and of course some lack in tank due to grav caps(Granted it's one of those rare times when fittng a t2 grav cap actually can be viable.). But damps? I'm... really quite sceptic. If you intend to go solo, most missionrunners will have killed off more NPCs than the extra dps you will be putting out. With no neut or even nos, your only hope left is that they won't shoot your drones, are using cap boosters or will give up out of boredom and self destruct one way or another. Atleast the pilgrim will break just about any active tank there is - eventually. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 214596

Darkstar Nemesis	Posted - 2009.10.15 16:37:00 - [21] Thanks for the replies. Just a thought. Would it be worth me training for a bomb launcher? Im sure I could fit a covert-ops II, expanded probe launcher and a bomb launcher with room to spare. I have never used bombs so I would be very grateful for any advice. It would be interesting to know what size targets I could destroy with a bomb. Can they be reloaded quickly for a second shot? Thanks
Ancy Denaries Caldari The Confederate Navy Forever Unbound	Posted - 2009.10.17 10:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Darkstar Nemesis Thanks for the replies. Just a thought. Would it be worth me training for a bomb launcher? Im sure I could fit a covert-ops II, expanded probe launcher and a bomb launcher with room to spare. I have never used bombs so I would be very grateful for any advice. It would be interesting to know what size targets I could destroy with a bomb. Can they be reloaded quickly for a second shot? Thanks Bombs are only usable in 0.0, and a single bomb is not enough to blow up a battleship, and the time it takes the bomb to travel to the ship and detonate, gives them ample time to warp out. You can't be close enough either, becaue if you are, you go instapop due to the bomb. So no, bombs for ganking missionrunners is not an option. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog
yani dumyat Minmatar Black Storm Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.17 10:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Darkstar Nemesis Are there any other options such as using a larger ship such as a Domi I've killed a few people who though they were safe with a drake [Drake, da porb] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 If you're hunting someone at a safe or in a mission then they can already see you in local and see your probes on scan so having a cloak doesn't make much difference, if you can find them with the directional scanner then simply park your ship more than 14 AU away and they won't see you on the d scanner. _________________________________________________ Lifeboat ----> + Human


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