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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.10.13 04:37:00 -
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Make sure you are not black while shopping.
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60% of black people say they have experienced this. Is it really still this bad in the United States in 2009?
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.10.13 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Make sure you are not black while shopping.
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60% of black people say they have experienced this. Is it really still this bad in the United States in 2009?
I loved the black guy about 5 minutes 57 seconds in. Perfect retort "If you don't know how you should do it you shouldn't be working here" _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Trustworthy Joe
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Posted - 2009.10.13 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Make sure you are not black while shopping.
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60% of black people say they have experienced this. Is it really still this bad in the United States in 2009?
what is with you and trying to dig up videos that are obviously not going to represent the whole.
its like me pulling evidence for a murder scene out of a board game.
want a sig? thats great! post it in response to my posts!
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.13 05:08:00 -
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I gotta go with Joe, he seems trustworthy
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.10.13 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Make sure you are not black while shopping.
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60% of black people say they have experienced this. Is it really still this bad in the United States in 2009?
It's not like this at all. If a sales clerk acted like that the store would be sued. And the Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton would show up for some photo ops.
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Antiseptic
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Posted - 2009.10.13 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: Antiseptic on 13/10/2009 06:33:44 Man you would think that humanity has come a long way in the 21st century but the reality is that we still label people. I would still like to think of America being the only nation in the world that is tolerant to people of all kinds regardless of their gender or race. But to do so would be naive. But I'm really shocked to see that no one helped? i mean wtf are you going let someone treat another person like that? woah
Although if you think this is horrible try Europe or for that matter Asia. When i lived in China and went to museums or any other special events, they would charge foreigners 10x the price compared to locals. Reason for that was because they said we have more money and haha they even officially labeled it on the signs for prices when you had to check how much a ticket cost for an adult or child. Although i mean you kind of have to give it to people in third world countries, we travel to their countries and spend a lot of money acting as if we are millionaires. Another example of this would be when i was in Thailand, there are so many foreigners in Suvarnabhumi airport that a bottle of water cost 100 Baht when you could get it for 1 outside - i wonder what the locals working in the shops must be thinking
And here in Scandinavia if you're not a European or American you are labeled as a refugee seeking the benefits of the government and you should be forever grateful to be living in their country because foreigners don't exist . Haha what perfect a world we live in - yes i'm a cynic but no not really. So for the mean time I'm going to party like its 1999! no wait i think i may of exaggerated it a bit, I'm going to party like its 10,000 b.c. WOOAH!
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.10.13 06:47:00 -
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Entrapment mentality at work again, seek and you shall find.
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Faekurias
Raptus Regalitor Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.13 06:52:00 -
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Edited by: Faekurias on 13/10/2009 06:56:39 Seems like a trap / fake.
Edit: perhaps I should'ave viewed more than a few seconds before I posted. -------------------------
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Canis Trucido
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Posted - 2009.10.13 06:57:00 -
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theres no way thats real. that lady was acting...thats just it, ACTING lol, i was looking for a word , acting like something, then i realized what that was. that was bad acting lol.
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Vaelinor
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Posted - 2009.10.13 07:15:00 -
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Sorry, but the level of racism on that site for Caucasians alone is enough to make me think that video is faked.
Racism won't stop until all sides admit they are wrong.
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Emil Erlenmeyer
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Posted - 2009.10.13 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vaelinor Sorry, but the level of racism on that site for Caucasians alone is enough to make me think that video is faked.
Racism won't stop until all sides admit they are wrong.
What is fake about that video? You obviously didn't even watch it.
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Vaelinor
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Posted - 2009.10.13 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Emil Erlenmeyer
Originally by: Vaelinor Sorry, but the level of racism on that site for Caucasians alone is enough to make me think that video is faked.
Racism won't stop until all sides admit they are wrong.
What is fake about that video? You obviously didn't even watch it.
Clearly.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.13 09:30:00 -
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The USA voted in a black president which is a far better example of showing how far they have come
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.13 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 The USA voted in a black president which is a far better example of showing how far they have come
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Lord Windu
Echelon Warfare Unit
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Posted - 2009.10.13 10:19:00 -
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What a load of crap, some white people stood by and didn't do anything while the black woman was harassed so that means that they are somewhat racist? Maybe the people who didn't intervene were just passive like a lot of other people.
Yes there are people who are racist but saying that 60% of African Americans have experienced "shopping while black" I find doubtful. Are they counting times when a black person has been followed through a store by staff or security, because it doesn't matter what colour you are in that respect, I have been followed in shops yet I am white, nothing to do with racism it's just crap staff so I spend my money elsewhere. Survey results can easily be made to represent whatever you want them to anyway. ------
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Yiffi
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Posted - 2009.10.13 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Guest from that crappy site **** ALL I DO IS FLASH THAT CASH IN FRONT OF DEY ASS AND TELLIN TO KEEP IT MOVIN WHITE *****ES LMAO RACIST MOTHA****AS
That website is utter BS.
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dr doooo
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.10.13 11:10:00 -
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What a load of crap. Bystanders obviously and rightly did nothing.
Apart from the fact that they were watching poor actors do a bit of street performance (as stated in the video, but some posters seem to have missed that - and the whole point of the piece), the whole scenario was so ridiculous that no one would take it at face value.
All that the bystanders inaction proved is that they are not gullible idiots!
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Orion Eridanus
Dakota HeadHunters
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Posted - 2009.10.13 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Orion Eridanus on 13/10/2009 13:15:01 At 1:40 it even states that its an experiment.
2:23 they state "our actors"
Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.13 13:49:00 -
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LOL, it "happens".
I have even experianced it being white and going into stores in the ghetto. But it was less, "you are going to steal this or you can't afford this", but more like, "what the hell do you think you are doing coming into our store."
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.10.13 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 13/10/2009 14:43:39 Haha, that guy at 3:10 or so looks like a right muppet.
Plus that girl in the video at the start isn't black, she's sunburned.
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Jacob Mei
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.13 17:05:00 -
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Well first of all, anytime you see a video of this sort of thing keep in mind that its likely STAGED. I donÆt mean the experiment but the whole thing including the so called pedestrians. Its very easy to say that they were not actors (hell they likely werenÆt, more likely it was a case of ôhey want to make 20 bucks?ö sort of thing) on camera, when its not in front of a live audience and so forth.
Second, Its also cut and edited. If this was a several hour experiment it has hell of ah lot more footage then the seven or so minutes with commentary they showed. Had a lawyer come in you can bet your ass that they would have been at the new clients side in a heartbeat defending their rights and already drawing up the law suit (until they were told it was an ôexperimentö that is). Also, take into account that studios have to get people to sign a release to show them on TV. No release, no footage. They could have had several people step in but after finding out it was an experiment (for ratings no less...) could have just walked off without giving their permission.
Finally, racism exists and is alive and well, its just pushed to the dark alley these days. In America we may have had the civil rights movements but until you can get people to let go of their prejudices views in the privacy of their minds it will continue to exist. All we have succeeded as a nation is to condition are people to look away when racism occurs in the public when its happening. Welcome to humanity, enjoy your stay.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.10.13 17:28:00 -
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As for shop owners keeping an eye on you, I get that most places since I stick out from the herd. Bad security really, them thinking that the usual suspect will actually try to pull something and petty at that. Yes, white.
Having this take place in your shop you as the shop owner is taking a risk. If it was me I'd not get involved, I'd just walk out and don't come shopping there anymore. Staged or not, I don't take kindly to getting played.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.10.13 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: KingsGambit on 13/10/2009 17:41:56
Originally by: Jacob Mei Well first of all, anytime you see a video of this sort of thing keep in mind that its likely STAGED. I donÆt mean the experiment but the whole thing including the so called pedestrians.
I was going to say just that. From watching that, they even say 'these are actors'. I have no idea whether this kinda thing really does happen or not, and regardless of whether or not it does, that video isn't a basis for getting worked up about it. Obviously if such a thing was commonplace, I'd hope those businesses were rapidly boycotted as it's a horrendous thing to put up with...but that is a dramatised, fictional mockumentary and so isn't remotely representative or newsworthy. CCTV or mobile-phone recordings of RL occurences would be infinitely more credible. It's no better than staging a car accident and asking passers-by how horrific they thought it was.
On a related note, having spent a month in the USA this summer, and a week in Canada, I really noticed a contrast. In America, whether it is by an individual's choice or society's nature, *everyone* seems to have a label. Every American is black or hispanic, or white, jewish, latino, mexican, a goth, an atheist, a good christian, a republican, a pro-abortionsit, etc, etc. Everyone there identifies themselves with a label or group along these lines. In Canada, there's no such thing. Everyone there is simply a Canadian, regardless of their ethnic background or cultural heritage. Noone there cares about that. The UK is mostly the same, doesn't really matter 'what' you are, just that you are. I'm not saying 'there is no racism', there must be, but that Canadian and British society places (practically) zero emphasis on our race or origins, while the US seems to, broadly speaking, place a great emphasis on just such.
While that isn't in itself 'racist', people's race or 'social group' or whatever is always on everyone's mind in the US. And that can, down-the-road, lead to racism or at least 'differentiation based on race', such as shop assistants treating customers differently, discrimination in the workplace (even when positive), language (just listen to an american rapper for an example), and so on. I think that's why racism is still such a big issue there. While it will always exist in every country in the world to some extent, in England at least, very, very few people probably even care about it...at least not in London.
But on-topic, I'm with Jacob, that video has zero value or credibility. It's media scaremongering or publicity seeking, little more. -------------
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.13 17:56:00 -
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Jim... I'm white.. and where you been dude? Your forum precense needs to go up
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Winged Crime
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.13 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Winged Crime on 13/10/2009 18:12:03 Edited by: Winged Crime on 13/10/2009 18:10:57 Terribly unscientific 'experiment', provides no insight or useful criticism of any measurable.
They also try to frame all of the customers as horrible people for not getting involved in the situation. They have no idea of the entire situation, they're terribly uncomfortable. What the hell do they expect of people? If I was one of the customers, I would probably have not been paying attention until things got dramatic, at which point all i'd know is the noise being made and hear some girl saying she didn't do anything wrong.. it's not a race thing, all I saw was someone being questioned/dealt with by security and claiming innocence.. I probably would just want to steer clear and would probably assume they did something wrong. It's just how it works.
Gauging reactions of these customers has absolutely no merrit unless they can be sure that they know that these customers saw everything that happened from the moment the 'victim' walked in.
PS - sooo cheesy. Nobody would say some of the things they said, and if they did, sh*t would get "real" real fast.
PSS - I don't trust anything from something called "World Star Hip Hop.com" Am I racist?
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Rashmika Sky
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Posted - 2009.10.13 18:46:00 -
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Well, as Winged Crime stated, it was not so much to do with the color of her skin as that she had drawn the attention of security, and nobody wanted to be involved with that. That's just the way most people are; they don't want trouble, avoid trouble, and don't want to borrow trouble from somebody else. In short, most people are carebears (but it's not racism).
On that note, how many of you, if you came across a stranger in Eve being warp scrambled and attacked, would intervene if you felt you could help the person? How many of you would just warp away? And, Eve being Eve, how many of you would just wait and try to ninja the loot, or try to end up on the killmail? ;)
-Rash
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2009.10.13 18:56:00 -
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Linkage
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Corwain
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Posted - 2009.10.13 19:13:00 -
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Not talking about this staged video but more in specific of the "Shopping While Black" thing...
You'll get basically the same thing if you dress like the punk subculture, especially if you're a crustie. -- Distortion| Distortion 2 Preview |
Faekurias
Raptus Regalitor Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.13 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain Not talking about this staged video but more in specific of the "Shopping While Black" thing...
You'll get basically the same thing if you dress like the punk subculture, especially if you're a crustie.
What's a crustie? Pizza-man? -------------------------
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MooKids
Caldari Azure Twilight Engineering
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Posted - 2009.10.13 21:05:00 -
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Personally I feel this was a biased, unscientific experiment. For one, the "experiment" had no control group, as in having a white customer being harassed by a black employee, or a white customer harassed by a white employee.
Some people might stand up due to the racism, but most of the people will follow a crowd mentality. If there are other people there, they will not feel the need to become involved. Also there are some people who just want to be left alone period and would avoid the confrontation.
All this piece does is create drama for the viewers just for ratings. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
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