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jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.13 20:32:00 - [1] ok peeps here go`s ... my frakin company in their infinatly STUPID wisdom have decided that I should now be a windows 2008 server specialist (i **** you not ) my background for the last 10 odd years has been 1st /2nd line desktop support you know the type ...." jase i cant get me email`s or jase this excel spreadsheet dont open or jase ive got the bsod" .. that type of stuff . I have absaloutly NO experience in the server support side of things .The excrutiatingly embarrasing thing is that the project that i have been assigned to is a very high profile government contract Linkage. Looks like i get all the bloody good jobs anyway.does any one have any decent links for hints tips and trick ...do`s and mainly dont`s in keeping these bloody servers alive .the company have graciously allowed me to buy a boook on 2008 server . talk about being thronw in the sodding deep end destroy everything you touch
Xen Gin Silurian Operations	Posted - 2009.10.13 21:06:00 - [2] Originally by: jason hill ok peeps here go`s ... my frakin company in their infinatly STUPID wisdom have decided that I should now be a windows 2008 server specialist (i **** you not ) my background for the last 10 odd years has been 1st /2nd line desktop support you know the type ...." jase i cant get me email`s or jase this excel spreadsheet dont open or jase ive got the bsod" .. that type of stuff . I have absaloutly NO experience in the server support side of things .The excrutiatingly embarrasing thing is that the project that i have been assigned to is a very high profile government contract Linkage. Looks like i get all the bloody good jobs anyway.does any one have any decent links for hints tips and trick ...do`s and mainly dont`s in keeping these bloody servers alive .the company have graciously allowed me to buy a boook on 2008 server . talk about being thronw in the sodding deep end Christ... Umm.. ummm.. FLEE! ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ##
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.13 21:47:00 - [3] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: jason hill ok peeps here go`s ... my frakin company in their infinatly STUPID wisdom have decided that I should now be a windows 2008 server specialist (i ** you not ) my background for the last 10 odd years has been 1st /2nd line desktop support you know the type ...." jase i cant get me email`s or jase this excel spreadsheet dont open or jase ive got the bsod" .. that type of stuff . I have absaloutly NO experience in the server support side of things .The excrutiatingly embarrasing thing is that the project that i have been assigned to is a very high profile government contract Linkage. Looks like i get all the bloody good jobs anyway.does any one have any decent links for hints tips and trick ...do`s and mainly dont`s in keeping these bloody servers alive .the company have graciously allowed me to buy a boook on 2008 server . talk about being thronw in the sodding deep end Christ... Umm.. ummm.. FLEE! Yeah. Run while you still can. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by:** CCP Fallout :facepalm:
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.13 22:26:00 - [4] Originally by: jason hill ....... support company are good if only offer one ****ing type of support you are the proof that doing more is bad anyway if you can get another job
Midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.13 22:40:00 - [5] Originally by: jason hill ok peeps here go`s ... my frakin company in their infinatly STUPID wisdom have decided that I should now be a windows 2008 server specialist (i **** you not ) my background for the last 10 odd years has been 1st /2nd line desktop support you know the type ...." jase i cant get me email`s or jase this excel spreadsheet dont open or jase ive got the bsod" .. that type of stuff . I have absaloutly NO experience in the server support side of things .The excrutiatingly embarrasing thing is that the project that i have been assigned to is a very high profile government contract Linkage. Looks like i get all the bloody good jobs anyway.does any one have any decent links for hints tips and trick ...do`s and mainly dont`s in keeping these bloody servers alive .the company have graciously allowed me to buy a boook on 2008 server . talk about being thronw in the sodding deep end I recently(januray this year) upgraded my works network to server 2008, before that i had dealt with server 2003 and limited use of 2000 (apprenticed at the company - only know what was passed on, more of a technician tbh, but apparently my job entails supporting the network/servers.. dont you just love the goverment?) was pretty damn easy tbh... a few things have moved around and stuff but it works a charm, i havent had to touch it other than to tweak the group policys when a new printer is installed. if i were you id bash it on a VM and play around with it, and see if you can make it do whatyou are going to have to do. -----------------------------------------------
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2009.10.13 22:48:00 - [6] It's not that bad. Get yourself a copy of 2000 server and 2 pcs, set up active directory on it and play...get a book on active directory and you'll be fine... ...if they're running exchange, couple weeks with an exchange admin book and you'll be good to go for most things... Windows server administration isn't hard, unless you're a complete idiot like the guys running our network here now...I was so **ed they put Forrest Gump in charge of the network I ***ed out my boss for a good half hour... I had to teach myself windows network administration because of a fail network admin here and stuff kept breaking...don't sweat it, it's not that bad... Oh, and get something like this: http://www.systemtools.com/hyena/download.htm This will save you a ton of trouble and work. Rule of thumb, something breaks: look at the eventlogs first, don't start fumbling around trying to guess with windows servers, 99% of anything that goes wrong with a windows server will have events logged and you will find the solution on microsoft's support site rather quickly.
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.13 23:13:00 - [7] Edited by: jason hill on 13/10/2009 23:16:31 the daft thing is because its a windows front end and a solaris backend the chap that internaly interviewed me said that because i had "extensive" windows experience" this would be enough ..... this chap is a unix guru ... which on the face of it is fair do`s ... but his windows experience is how can i put it ...rather lacking with server ..and as we all know when they go **** up ...you know about it ... decent books links to good reputable websites... i told him in the interview i had minimum knowledge of the server side of this ...he`s obviously as deaf as i am ... maybes i should have given him one of my hearing aides ... im praying that none of the servers pop thier cloggs within the next six months ninja edit : i think my siggy says ity all destroy everything you touch
Midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.13 23:15:00 - [8] Originally by: jason hill the daft thing is because its a windows front end and a solaris backend the chap that internaly interviewed me said that because i had "extensive" windows experience" this would be enough ..... this chap is a unix guru ... which on the face of it is fair do`s ... but his windows experience is how can i put it ...rather lacking with server ..and as we all know when they go **** up ...you know about it ... decent books links to good reputable websites... i told him in the interview i had minimum knowledge of the server side of this ...he`s obviously as deaf as i am ... maybes i should have given him one of my hearing aides ... im praying that none of the servers pop thier cloggs within the next six months whats the servers actual task? -----------------------------------------------
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.13 23:22:00 - [9] well ... essentialy ...im not allowed to go into too much detail and i have only been there since monday ... but on the users desktop is a solaris thin client box and the users login to the system via them .the users only appear to be doing their essential work on the servers and not on thier desktops . other than that i cannot give you any more info cos is simply havent seen any of the setup yet .. what i can say though is that the application that they are using to create the database is rational rose which isnt to bad for a person who was a 1st point of contact for it (me) as i used to support it a few years back destroy everything you touch
Wuff Wuff Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.13 23:47:00 - [10] So they are basically remoting into the box just to use a particular program which has a database backend run on the server? If so that should be a hell of a lot easier than the whole Active Directory/Domain schmozzle which is what you usually have Server for. No DNS/DHCP/other services? - Wuffles

jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.14 00:33:00 - [11] Edited by: jason hill on 14/10/2009 00:35:47 wuff wuff ...as far as i have seen the system your pretty much on the money nija edit ... active directory is used ...but only as a bare minimum...user account etc .. i asked them for a book /course for that today and was told it would be overkill destroy everything you touch
Titan Pilot Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.10.14 01:24:00 - [12] Be glad your off desktops. Server support is the high life. Practice building servers. The real art is understanding each blue screen of death you encounter. Fun times in your future
SirSpectre Gallente Harbingers Of Destruction	Posted - 2009.10.14 01:45:00 - [13] I consider myself an expert with server 2003, tbh I haven't used 2008 yet, how different is it from 03? I might be able to give you some advice depending on the differences. ---- Sig here. ---> X
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2009.10.14 08:16:00 - [14] As others have suggested, getting a copy of Windows Server to play with will be the best way to learn. If you can get a 2nd PC to connect up as a client, even better. But you haven't said what the server's main purpose is for, and ultimately without knowing that it's hard to suggest anything more. If you have any specific questions or server apps you'd like to know more about, just ask. General dos and don'ts... - Don't shut it down - Don't mess with permissions - Don't make changes if you aren't sure what they do first - Do familiarise yourself with security groups, OUs, Group policy, etc. - Do reset the password of the hot receptionist, so she has to come to your office for help when she can't log in. For above poster, 08 is quite similar to 03. Certainly with expertise in 03, you'd have no trouble using 08. Like windows, some things are moved/renamed/look different, but for AD...some new GPOs, new IIS, faster networking, better security (supposedly) and virtualisation (Hyper-V) built in. -------------
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2009.10.14 16:15:00 - [15] If you're already set up and running then all you have to do is keep it that way ... at least for now ... probably ... First off, make sure you've got a good back up policy. What a good back up policy is depends on what you're backing up and how often it changes so I can't tell you how often to back up. It could be anything from once a month to daily. Make sure you know how to restore from your back ups. Don't just think. Get a spare system (you should have spares but probably don't ...) and practice restoring a back up to that system to make sure you know how to do it. The time to find out that you don't know how to do it - is not after it's failed and you've got suits standing there looking over your shoulder asking when it's going to be back up. Next - make sure you understand your organizations security policy and see that that is being taken care of. Become familiar with how your systems are set up. A list of changes from Windows Standard Settings would be nice. If you don't have one - make one. One way - would be to sit down with a standard windows server 2008 install and that back up restore you just did above (you know - on those spare systems you've actually got ...) and visually go through and compare all the settings in control panel. Note which ones are different and then try to figure out why. It would be like really nice if you got some kind of turn over from the old admin (can you get his phone number?) or system configuration documentation ... so you don't have to do something like that ... but if you don't have those types of things ... you really need to know what they are. I always like to have a little test net work of my own that I could experiment on and try things out with before they went live ... but that didn't always happen. The usual problem was cannibalization of said test network to keep the main one online. If you are part of a larger organization - then there are going to be people who are in charge of the different aspects of your system and the regulations governing it. Get to know who they are and then get to know them. If you have people working for you - then get to know them, what they do and what they are supposed to be doing. If you've got enough of them - you don't actually have to know or do anything. You only need to be able to understand what they are telling you, make decisions on it and be able to tell them what they need to do. Make sure you've got a list of all the IP's you're using and which systems they are assigned to. That way - if you need to bring a new system on line - you'll know which IP's are available and which are not. If you're in a production environment that shouldn't change much but if your in a research environment you'll never set up anything for very long before it's all torn down and reconfigured. Know and understand your network architecture. You should have Power Point print outs showing what it is tacked up in your office so you can visually glance at it and see what is connected to what and what goes through what to get where. Cisco has some good tools that will actually create a map of your net work - if your securty policy lets it ... System Internals has a good set of tools to such as pass word crackers. I've been retired now for going on 5 years so ... a lot of things I've forgotten and ... a lot of it's changed anyway ... Know who your router guys are. If you contract that out - know who does the work for your company. Call them up and say hello if you get half an excuse. Better to get to know people before you need them - than to find out they don't work the way you thought they did or aren't who you thought they were - after you do. GL Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.15 21:22:00 - [16] well its benn day three of my server admin "experience" and ive managed to bust the office printer ( i was replenishing one of the trays and one of the springs broke) then as one of the unix guys created me my user account the system froze and it all had to be rebooted .... apparently it happens to every new account /profile thats added to the system ..."things caaan only get beeeter " lol ...did a quick health check on some of the servers half are on 2008 server sp1 the others are on sp2 ...this may be causing it ... more sooon destroy everything you touch
Lineker	Posted - 2009.10.15 21:46:00 - [17] I've been working with Server 2008 for over a year now, done a few projects with them. Got the various books and training for the certifications (some things like AD can be really boring, but you just have to grit your teeth and get on with it I guess). Anyhow, here's a link which you might find handy: http://windowsserver.trainsignal.com/
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.16 18:58:00 - [18] just watched a few of their online vids!!! very bloody good gonna see if my boss will let me buy it ... thanks for the linky destroy everything you touch
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.10.17 01:32:00 - [19] Originally by: jason hill ok peeps here go`s ... my frakin company in their infinatly STUPID wisdom have decided that I should now be a windows 2008 server specialist (i **** you not ) my background for the last 10 odd years has been 1st /2nd line desktop support you know the type ...." jase i cant get me email`s or jase this excel spreadsheet dont open or jase ive got the bsod" .. that type of stuff . I have absaloutly NO experience in the server support side of things .The excrutiatingly embarrasing thing is that the project that i have been assigned to is a very high profile government contract Linkage. Looks like i get all the bloody good jobs anyway.does any one have any decent links for hints tips and trick ...do`s and mainly dont`s in keeping these bloody servers alive .the company have graciously allowed me to buy a boook on 2008 server . talk about being thronw in the sodding deep end First, consider this a happy problem. A lot of people don't even have a job. Second, I was in the same exact boat as you are. I am primarily a mainframe progammer and was given the task of setting up a new Server 2008 system. My first server 2008 system took two weeks because I needed to look into everything and had to transfer the domain controller job from the existing Server 2003, which was not cooperating. Now I can set up a Server2008 system in an hour. You will find that Server2008 is not as bad as you would think. It's easy, actually. The best sources of information would be the "for dummys" books. Yes the title stinks but they are great for the noobs. Now, as for the internet, if you just google stuff, you have to flip through hundreds of non-answers before you get the answer you need. Direct your searches to MSDN websites, TechRepublic, and if you have Expertsexchange use them too (that costs a few bucks though). Microsoft has great online resources. Server2008 installs and runs well enough that I would swear it's Linux with a Win7 GUI. It didn't help when I said that in a job interview at Microsoft over a year ago. If you have to do a fresh install, like "Here is the new computer, here is the installation kit...", then you are good to go. The problem with server setup comes when you have to inherit crap from the existing system, like taking over the AD DS (domain controller), AD UC (Active Directory), and Exchange Server too. DNS, DHCP, and other services are easy to set up if you don't have to inherit them from an existing server that is a piece of crap and won't cooperate. Yes, they set it up so that you can have the new server "talk" to the old one and take over the roles. But if the old server is a patched up basket case, it's going to be a long week.


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