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Dzil
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Sausage Banking
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Posted - 2009.10.15 13:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Charles Swann
you guys suck at conspiracy theories.
Was it not "720" whom claimed he would try to imbed an auditor into MD, in order to audit a bond?
Here's a conspiracy theory for you: Cosmo = VV = Yih. But if this were the case, this project might actually achieve its effect: get enough directors scared this thing is legit, and they start working less effectively as a team, perhaps one or two approaches Yih interested in joining? Cosmo and VV could potentially repay investers just by taking in enough in bribes to finally reveal Yih is nothing but a nutpunch to goonswarm, tricking them into paying billions to MD. The ultimate scam.
-Dzil
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Dzil
Caldari
Sausage Banking
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Posted - 2009.10.19 21:48:00 -
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Hey, I'll entertain this with a more serious question:
How many directors are there in Goonswarm? If you don't think it will erode your hiest, how many are in a position to do precisely what you propose to pull off?
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Dzil
Caldari
Sausage Banking
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Posted - 2009.11.03 21:58:00 -
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Cosmo, would you mind posting to confirm when/if you receive the 600M back?
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Dzil
Caldari
Sausage Banking
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Posted - 2009.11.06 19:05:00 -
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VV - full control implies much more than what Yih had over Cartoon, if what's now here is true. Full control would imply that, at a moments notice, Yih could have Kartoon disband GS, or give him all the cash, or a number of other things. Do you feel Yih had these things? Because that's much different from Kartoon sending a chat/eve mail indicating he is Yih. Much better in this case would have been "A senior director of GS has indicated himself as the main of Yih."
To the rest: I think you're reading too much into VV's assessment and forgot to make your own judgments. Yih's "main" does have to answer to MD. Whoopdee. Kartoon of goonswarm will no longer be able to solicit loans from the MD elite. Who exactly were you expecting to "hold the bag" if a GS director took the money and laughed? Information disclosing a main with a reputation is a form of security, but everyone upset by this severely overvalued that security.
Most people only invested in this for the lulz, so I can't be too hard to VVs assessment. But I would recommend in the future for VV to stop trying to add extra value to her service by hanging a bunch of useless (and in this case untrue) analysis on the facts. State the facts, and collect the paycheck. As it is, if someone invested in this expecting serious results they could hold VV accountable for giving untrue information in the audit information verification. Taken to the extreme/conspiracy theorist, one could suspect intentional misinformation. You can claim English as a second language, so on and so forth, but in the end the same result fo the investor - much like whether General Newbold scammed or really did have a computer nightmare really makes no difference at the end of the day.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Dzil
Caldari
Sausage Banking
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Posted - 2009.11.07 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Meatshield7
Vv and cosmorays sttatements about 'yih's main' are also perfactly legitimate as they just assumed he wasn't breaking the eula. Only such an ilegal action would allow them to be misled. The same goes for the comment about full control. The only way yih could not have full control is if he and kartoon were in breach of the eula. Give that this scam was fundamentally based on such a breach ccp should at least return the isk to investors as it was obtained illegally and preferably ban yih and kartoon as well.
Hmm, interesting point. Is it in breach of the EULA to convince people you're someone else? Granted in this context Kartoon had Yih's permission, but if it's still a EULA breach, Yih just might deliver on his promise after all - LOL IF THE HEAD OF GOONSWARM GETS BANNED OUT OF THIS :P.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Dzil
Caldari
Sausage Banking
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Posted - 2009.11.07 16:37:00 -
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So, I'm a nerd, and went back to reread the rules. I didn't see anything specific to impersonating another player. Anything like hijacking their account or using their password would be right out. And there's multiple places where impersonating a GM or EVE volunteer will get you a quick punt. But I think Yih's conduct here isn't in violation.
Of course, you could petition anyways: a GM might certainly see it differently.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Dzil
Caldari
United Kings Holdings
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Posted - 2009.11.10 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Venal Inamorata
Originally by: Yih
Never underestimate an intelligent persons resource gathering skills.
As for social engineering. I have a sticker stuck to my laptop "Social Engineering Specialist: Because there is no patch for human stupidity" this isn't the first game I've scammed in/social engineered in. But it is the first to let me do it legally.
Surely an "intelligent person" could... Play the game to fruition? I understand one-off scammers, trying to make a quick fortune to start a legitimate career with, but where does this near-autistic fascination with scamming come about?
I am genuinely interested.
Well, I think it follows a linear, rational progression:
-First, you start out getting mad when others behave stupidly.
-Next, you come to learn/understand why they make irrational, stupid decisions.
-Later, you pass through a phase where you try to help them, repeatedly banging your head on the wall.
-Finally, you stop caring. This is where you either withdraw, or realise it's just a game and go rogue.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Dzil
Caldari
United Kings Holdings
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Posted - 2009.11.12 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson
Unreal...
This had scam written all over it right from the beginning.
I even used a visual aid with color.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Dzil
Caldari
Greyhound investments
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Posted - 2010.01.28 13:29:00 -
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So: is Karttoon paying out?
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Dzil
Caldari
Greyhound investments
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Posted - 2010.01.28 13:36:00 -
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You know how we've grown somewhat desensitized to LOL and type it without actually laughing out loud?
This one has me laughing out loud. Which is annoying in EVE, because inevitably the wife then inquires and it takes a 10 minute long back story to fully explain how damned funny it is.
But that's why I love EVE.
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Dzil
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Greyhound investments
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Posted - 2010.01.28 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega
I'm confused. Why was this necro'ed?
Because, in my opinion, it just became relevant. Go browse COAD for a sec. Goonswarm just got ****ed.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Dzil
Caldari
Greyhound investments
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:01:00 -
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http://jumponcontact.com/2010/01/hanlons-razor/
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Dzil
Caldari
Greyhound investments
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
Originally by: Dretzle Omega
I even dirtied myself and went over to CAOD and the top three threads about goonies had no revealing information, really.
You go to CAOD looking for information? 
better look here: shc
Only because they told me that's where the information was. 
There's some info, but it's admittedly like finding a needle in a haystack. The thread "Karma is a b**** " has something related, and most of the rest is just part of the dogpile.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Dzil
Caldari
Greyhound investments
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Posted - 2010.01.28 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
Do you want to know what happened?
Sure.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Dzil
Caldari
Greyhound investments
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:45:00 -
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Thanks Kalrand. Wish you all luck in your new home: with the Sov changes it may be just as well anyways.
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