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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.10.18 21:16:00 -
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 Originally by: kyrieee
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Jukhta Mein
Originally by: Chribba
Posting to confirm that Yih has contacted me but that I kindly have declined to confirm and/or secure any parts or information of his plan.
Why is that so, may we know?
Pretty much what another pilot stated, my business relies on me being netural towards everyone, and I feel that accepting OP's contract/request would make my neutrality towards the Goons shift slightly, hence I rather decline a contract to remain neutral towards everyone.
Du Sr en sann svensk
Wild guess: "You are so Swedish". If so, ROFL. If not, well, I made myself laugh .
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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.11.02 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 02/11/2009 14:34:52
In my opinion, even beginning to auction off his main's identity should lead to Cosmo outing Yih's main. Yih has repeatedly insisted that the plan requires that his main's identity remain secret, and if his plan was ever legit, it is clear why this should be so. Auctioning off his identity implies that he now does not care if the Goons know who he is and the only explanations for this are either, 1) he never cared (scam); 2) he did care but he no longer does because he no longer intends to go through with the plan (scam); or 3) circumstances have changed in such a way that it no longer matters whether the goons know who Yih's main is and his plan will proceed in spite of this. Since this last is extremely unlikely and no such explanation has come forth, Yih's initial offering can be presumed dead (at least in the form in which it was presented). Unless he presents a revised plan that does not assume that the identity of his main needs to remain secret he has already betrayed his investors by undermining the plan that he sold them. If there is still a legit plan it is not the one that we started with and that investors put money into. Changing the plan in such a fundamental way might reasonably be considered fraud if not a scam.
I see no reason for Cosmo to wait till 24 hours before the lottery ends to out Yih's main. All that this delay will mean is that another 5bil will end up in Yih's pocket and that the lottery winner will not get what he paid for either. I would hope that Cosmo will put a stop to this now before anyone else loses their money, although I do realise what a difficult position he is in.
Apologies to flakeys on this. As a recipient, I truly appreciate his willingness to invest in the riskier options available on MD and I have no wish to see his investment lost. But I don't see how Cosmo outing Yih will do any more damage to his investment than Yih doing it himself. Yih's current actions look like nothing other than an attempt to wring the last drops of isk out of his not entirely successful attempt to scam MD.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.11.03 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 03/11/2009 02:00:51
Originally by: Yih
Cosmoray, you would be secondarily responsible for the failure of the investment. You would also ruin the winner of the lotteries prize. I say secondarily because the primary person responsible would be me, for trusting an impartial third party AT THE BEHEST OF THIS FORUM, who wasn't impartial.
Or, the responsibility might be yours for taking the step of setting up the lottery. Or is that another essential part of the unfathomably deep plan that we mushrooms couldn't possibly grasp, a part of the plan that only LOOKS like an attempt to wring a few more isk out of the venture? Wheels within wheels ...
You could always solve the problem by cancelling the lottery, thus securing the critical 24 hours.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.11.06 01:41:00 -
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Yih - grats on the fun thread. Did my 300 actually go through? My connection went down at almost the same time I tried to make the payment and I'd had a few that nightso don't remember the exact sequence of events. If so, is there any chance you could mail me the lottery mail that went out to the previous investors? That's what I was really paying to see and I would still be quite interested to see whether it was at all plausible or not.
Whilst the whole operation can clearly be called a scam, I'm not sure whether those who invested for the lols can actually be said to have been scammed. I didn't expect any return on this and can't say I'm at all annoyed by the end result (as opposed to raw yard's scamming - his alt took me for ten mil and I am still quite ****ed off about that one). Flakeys certainly just seemed to be buying an expensive theatre ticket and my own 'investment' had similar motivations. I would say you actually worked quite hard for your money and provided good entertainment in return.
The fact that most of the investors went in for the fun rather than the promised return or the destruction of GS also raises another interesting point. Whilst the goons like to distinguish themselves from the masses who take internet life seriously, Yih's success here was, in fact, largely derived from the fact that most of the investors did not take the game or their isk too seriously at all. Earlier in the thread a goon said that they are playing a different game from the rest of us. I don't think this is entirely true. Nobody seems too upset about the way this has turned out. indeed, the level of annoyance generated here seems to be considerably less than that generated within GS itself, for some goons at least, by suas' titan theft. I would suggest that the us and them distinction propagated by the goons is rather less well grounded than gs mythography would like it to be.
Glad to hear yih will be sticking around. You'll add some much needed colour to this forum.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.11.07 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 07/11/2009 17:46:33
I'm guessing that most of those who invested for entertainment value wouldn't want to see Yih banned over this. Karttoon being banned, on the other hand, would be enormously entertaining and Yih going too might just be acceptable collateral damage. But if Dzil is right this is all academic. Could someone cite the relevant section of the EULA to clear this up?
Edit - thanks Cys Root. Fast and conclusive! Look like they could be in real trouble then.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.11.07 20:24:00 -
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 about buying toons he is going to find it hard to repay but since Karttoon is equally culpable he might be able to help Yih out. I'd ask for a reasonable rate of interest as well if I were you
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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.11.08 14:36:00 -
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Yih - any chance you could post the mail in which you informed investors about the lottery here? I'd love to read that to see what cosmo's decisions were based on (any other communiques relevant to the scam would be great as well) . Also, could you check your wallet log and see if you received anything from me? A very quick check of mine suggests you didn't (sorry!) but I can't do a proper search due to my i-net problems. Thanks in advance.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.11.08 15:22:00 -
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Just a hypothetical question - what would happen if karttoon did get banned over this? Do banned toons get biomassed? If so, is there a mechanism to allow him to be replaced as ceo? I guess it would be more problematic if the account were just suspended indefinitely, since, as I understand it, GS's structure does not allow the ceo to be fired and replaced.
Yih - thanks for the response. Any chance of a check on my payment? And I don't know why you should be shy re: bragging rights. I think you earned a good brag.
On the other hand, might be best not to count your chickens yet as the minimum ccp should do is restore isk scammed through breaching the eula (whether you stated anything directly, I think it is fair to say that you used or attempted to use - as in made use of - somone elses name). Not sure how they would do this when the isk has been spent already, though ... I'm sure a negative wallet would just lead to doing no more financial transactions on that toon. But regardless of ccp's ultimate actions, it was still pretty impressive to pull this off.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.01.28 13:30:00 -
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Turns out Yih was the Goonswarm accountant. All his promises were fulfilled.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.01.28 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
Originally by: Dzil
Goonswarm just got ****ed.
And?
And effectively, what Yih promised to do has happened. Some modifications, of course, but completely catastrophic.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Originally by: Dzil
http://jumponcontact.com/2010/01/hanlons-razor/
I did like SirMolle's comment "The enemy gate is down." in this thread. And I wonder if he deliberately used that as a reference to Ender's Game, or if he just meant the enemy was down (and implied, let's kick them now!). 
The MP3 at the end of Dzil's link tells you most of what you need to know. Goons dropped sov due to an accounting error (ironically because of their internal financial arrangements - with an alliance full of scammers they don't trust each other not to scam so they kept all the corp funds secure when they were needed to pay sov bills  ), lost all their key systems and are evacuating back to Syndicate (the last, if the Mittani is to be trusted  ).
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.01.28 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
Do you want to know what happened?
Please.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.01.28 18:52:00 -
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Thanks for that! Fullest explanation I have seen so far by a long way.
You wound your business down in time didn't you?
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.02.03 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
Would you like to know what happened?
Please. Trying to work the details out from CAOD is like swimming through cold treacle.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.02.04 17:44:00 -
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Kalrand - Thanks for another very informative post.
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