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Solisk
Gallente
HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.15 00:36:00 -
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A discussion in scc-lounge today brought an interesting question to mind.
When using a "trusted third-party" to hold collateral (a BPO to be exact), is it considered a breach of etiquette if that trusted person uses the collateralized BPO for production/copying?
I don't believe this scenario has been discussed in MD to date (to my knowledge at least), but appears to be a question that needs to be addressed.
If it is indeed bad form to do so, then there is only one option available to us currently that could guarantee that the BPO's aren't being used and that is API monitoring for the trusted third-party.
What are you guys' thoughts?
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Solisk
Gallente
HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.15 00:48:00 -
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I think assuming that you can just copy collateralized BPO's without permission is assuming too much.
Most third-party's don't charge, or charge very little, to hold collateral. I think in this case, the third-party should be allowed to make copies, but only if they have an agreement with the owner.
I really liked the method Brock brought up. Utilizing the BPO's and splitting any profits would be beneficial to both parties and may even provide an avenue for people asking for public funds to provide BPO collateral without having to take a profit hit because they can't produce from it.
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Solisk
Gallente
HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.15 01:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Kalrand
I don't see what's taken away by copying the BPO so long as its returned when it is supposed to be.
I also think BIG's BPO policy is one of the things that really sets them apart from the normal "I'll hold it".
Now a lockdown in a corporate hanger is the best of both worlds.
It's true that nothing is taken away by copying the BPO, which is why it's an etiquette issue instead of a straight scam issue.
The problem is that the BPO would be used in a way that wasn't previously agreed upon and without the permission of the owner.
A lockdown does provide a guarantee as long as the owner has an alt in the corp. (I'm actually not sure of the extent of the lockdown mechanics.)
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Solisk
Gallente
HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.15 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Stardust CEO
The real question is, "What kind of person would care?"
If you would be upset over someone copying or building off of your bpo while holding it as collateral, you're selfish. Furthermore, you're childish to the point of, "If I can't use it no one will!"
So by that reasoning, you would consider it ok for a developer to build on property he doesn't own and the landowner selfish for caring?
You also cannot predict the long-term intentions of the owner. What if the BPO isn't in use because the market for it's module/ship is reaching/at saturation and he's waiting for demand to start climbing again? You'd effectively be screwing him out of future profit.
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Solisk
Gallente
HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.15 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Stardust CEO
Originally by: Solisk
So by that reasoning, you would consider it ok for a developer to build on property he doesn't own and the landowner selfish for caring?
Take some kind of logic class, or critical thinking class, or debate class... then get back to me with an apology, and your admission that the above applies in no way.
Whoa, slow down there. Why are you taking offense and attacking me? My intention wasn't to offend.
I looked in the phone book and didn't see anyone advertising a logic/critical thinking/debate class, so I think I'll need you to explain why my admission doesn't apply here.
I thought, after all, that it was an issue of property being used without owner consent.
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Solisk
Gallente
HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.15 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Solisk on 15/10/2009 02:42:45
Well then, let it be known throughout the Eve universe that my comparison was stupid.
However, if we could get back on topic?
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Solisk
Gallente
HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.15 03:03:00 -
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Oh hey, I just got why my comparison was stupid. You're right Kalrand, it was kinda stupid.
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Solisk
Gallente
HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.15 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Claire Voyant
Is this a real incident or a hypothetical example?
Let that be a lesson to you. Many BPOs are too expensive to be left sitting around unused and unresearched. Make sure you agree on the terms ahead of time. Remember though that labs are not free and characters have a limited number of jobs. I would think for research and copying a fixed monthly fee would be appropriate (assuming the copies went to the BPO owner) in addition to any holding fees.
That's actually not a bad idea for a business.
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