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Dollchops Caldari Red White and Blue DEFI4NT	Posted - 2009.10.17 12:41:00 - [31] Gnosis, The main reason you were booted out of Defy is quite simply because you were a gob****e, This thread alone proves that to be true. Anyone with any dignity would have just said goodbye and good luck.We only ever saw 2 of your 9 member corp who were you and Kadonite and allthough Kad is quite young at least he has respect from most of the Defy players unlike yourself who has to voice his oppinion about EVERYTHING on vent and in allience chat.For a 9 member ( 2 actual players ) corp you have a mighty big mouth. Kadonite, good luck mate. Gnosis, I suggest you come back and play this game when you sprout some pubic hair and grow up a bit. This isnt college.
Lord Newton Caldari Red White and Blue DEFI4NT	Posted - 2009.10.17 12:48:00 - [32] im truely glad your gone :D, i liked Kad but as ive told you before on vent, Gnosis, im afraid, you are a complete tool. . . . good bye
Gnosis19 Caldari Ichizoku	Posted - 2009.10.17 13:10:00 - [33] Originally by: Dollchops Gnosis, The main reason you were booted out of Defy is quite simply because you were a gob**e, This thread alone proves that to be true. Anyone with any dignity would have just said goodbye and good luck.We only ever saw 2 of your 9 member corp who were you and Kadonite and allthough Kad is quite young at least he has respect from most of the Defy players unlike yourself who has to voice his oppinion about EVERYTHING on vent and in allience chat.For a 9 member ( 2 actual players ) corp you have a mighty big mouth. Kadonite, good luck mate. Gnosis, I suggest you come back and play this game when you sprout some pubic hair and grow up a bit. This isnt college. Wow. I was booted out of DEFY? News to me, last I checked IZK (by choice) left DEFY 5 days after we (by choice) moved all of our assets out. This '9 member corp' as you so elequently put it frequently had more members on Vent than much larger corps (including your own). Also, just because a member is not active in the EU TZ (the only one you play) doesn't mean they are not active. Yes, I voice my opinions. Get over it. That's how alliances progress. In a good alliance, you are shouted down for having a bad opinion. In a bad alliance, you are shouted down for having any opinion which conflicts with the 'core'. You can try to split the corp by giving props to Kad all you like. Kypp probably should have thought about that respect before she **ted on the entire corp. Anyways, see you on the battlefield. Ohwait, no I wont, you're too busy station spinning. Oh and Lord Newton, you are a pleb. -- Gnosis19, CEO ICHIZOKU
Kadonite Amarr Ichizoku	Posted - 2009.10.17 13:41:00 - [34] First of all im not young, and beleive me, if you had heard me the night all this %%%% happened, then you wouldnt have liked me then.. Yeah gno was a gob** but thats something thats got to be done sometimes to make people listen. The fact this was 60minutes after we'd lost over 400mils worth of sniper BS to an Evoke hot-drop If people have a problem with someone then they should say it, not slander them in private or thier corp. How many other members didnt sleep to spam poses at 2am in the morning? Oh .. and btw.. we wernt kicked, 90% of our stuff was jumped out 5 hours after the incendent, so basically, if Kyyp hadn't opened her mouth.. actually spoken to Gno, then you guys would be up 5 Bs, atleast 4 carriers, 2 dreads if you guys continue to act how you do then no corp is going to respect you. 07 bex you worked your ass over the last few weeks, I have to repsect you for that, but at the same time, get the basics right, I aint going to bash anyone I dont have too. Id rather be in a half-assed corp having some fun, then an allinace that doesnt respect me. I dont talk ** cos I dont need too, but I do bite back. 'IZK is not Gnosis19, and Gnosis19 is not IZK' Thanks for all the good words guys o7
Gnosis19 Caldari Ichizoku	Posted - 2009.10.17 13:43:00 - [35] Edited by: Gnosis19 on 17/10/2009 13:44:57 Yeah guys, get the basics right. Edit - One of the hardeners is also anchored and not online. Edit2 - Confirming that I am IZK. All of it. -- Gnosis19, CEO ICHIZOKU
Manterror Gallente Fuzzy Duck Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.10.17 13:44:00 - [36] ok ok ok calm down fellas. As a former member who left on neutral terms (wasnt important enough to be missed, wasnt inactive enough to not care) i can honestly say Insurgency was the most active, which is understandable as they are the creator corp. As for inactive corps and carebear corps...no single whole corp is inactive and carebearish, its spread out along all the corps. More corp members in defense fleets usually only means corp had more members all-round. So just shake hands and move on, leave the tantrums to Snotshot
farfrael Caldari Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.17 13:51:00 - [37] Edited by: farfrael on 17/10/2009 13:51:57 Originally by: Gnosis19 Total loss for DEFY: - 1 jump freighter - 4 carriers - 1 rorqual - 3 dreadnoughts tl;dr for Goons - Ms Kypp says IZK sux so IZK leaves and takes half of Defy's capitals and logistics that's a mighty capital fleet, that is
Gnosis19 Caldari Ichizoku	Posted - 2009.10.17 13:56:00 - [38] Edited by: Gnosis19 on 17/10/2009 13:56:26 Originally by: Manterror ok ok ok calm down fellas. As a former member who left on neutral terms (wasnt important enough to be missed, wasnt inactive enough to not care) i can honestly say Insurgency was the most active, which is understandable as they are the creator corp. As for inactive corps and carebear corps...no single whole corp is inactive and carebearish, its spread out along all the corps. More corp members in defense fleets usually only means corp had more members all-round. So just shake hands and move on, leave the tantrums to Snotshot Whilst I get what you're saying, the kb shows a different story: Monthly Corp Stats Many entire corps are inactive. Many corps have less than the 20 members Kypp wants all corps to have. There are 1, 6 and 7 member corps in the alliance with no kills in October. There is a 22 man corp with no kills in October. This shows that these corps are not being forced to be active. As for INSU being the most active, if you're talking about online members probably. If you're talking about fleet/vent activity, well, I'd have to disagree. Originally by: farfrael Edited by: farfrael on 17/10/2009 13:51:57 Originally by: Gnosis19 Total loss for DEFY: - 1 jump freighter - 4 carriers - 1 rorqual - 3 dreadnoughts tl;dr for Goons - Ms Kypp says IZK sux so IZK leaves and takes half of Defy's capitals and logistics that's a mighty capital fleet, that is I wouldn't say it's too bad for our 14 man corp with 'only 2 active members'. :P -- Gnosis19, CEO ICHIZOKU
Altaica Amur Gallente Ichizoku	Posted - 2009.10.17 14:09:00 - [39] I'm happy for you Manterror that you managed to walk away from Defy while Insu still could be imagined to act as the largest corp and executor of the Alliance ought to however things have changed a good bit since then. As you can see in the thread with Nitor apologizing and pleading Insu is hardly what it once was as the alliance leadership apparently can't even help the members of their own corp get into ships, nevermind replace losses for the rest of the alliance, requiring Nitor to ask around for a ship to borrow, only to have it promptly lost during a POS bash without an FC. I'm not bothered by the loss though as much as the fact that the alliance leadership seems to be completely unable to run their own corp, you know a -team- of players working for mutual benefit, not just cliques of power brokers that rule over a corp of unled n00bs. This isn't aimed at the newer players even so much as the corp that holds them, new players are key to any growing corp if you teach them and don't simply let them die time and time again because nobody's told them how to do otherwise. Now I'm sure you'll all retreat to the same old excuse of being busy running an alliance but if that's the case you should be cherishing people like Gnosis that know more about the game then you instead of getting annoyed at how he dares to have an opinion different from your own. Defy needs leadership, not simply someone who can sprout uninspiring drivel about 'holding on just a bit longer' without having any plan how PvPers can fight without ships, hold sov with scarcely any towers and take a region through intense warfare without the slightest scrap of a plan for how to get there beyond the following: 1. Go to Cloud Ring 2. Call for NC help 3. ??? 4. Profit! and be a respectable part of the NC for knowing when to call for help
darkfuntime Minmatar Fat J Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.10.17 14:18:00 - [40] allright i have to know. wtf is a gob****? [/url] Take back your existence or die like a punk.
Manterror Gallente Fuzzy Duck Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.10.17 14:20:00 - [41] Edited by: Manterror on 17/10/2009 14:20:51 Originally by: darkfuntime allright i have to know. wtf is a gob****? i think its cokney for loud-mouth edit: spelling to avoid censorship
darkfuntime Minmatar Fat J Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.10.17 14:37:00 - [42] ty man [/url] Take back your existence or die like a punk.
sakana Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.17 14:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Gnosis19 IZK leaves and takes half of Defy's capitals Total loss for DEFY: - 1 jump freighter - 4 carriers - 1 rorqual - 7 large POS towers - 3 dreadnoughts
Gnosis19 Caldari Ichizoku	Posted - 2009.10.17 15:13:00 - [44] Edited by: Gnosis19 on 17/10/2009 15:16:09 Edited by: Gnosis19 on 17/10/2009 15:14:31 Moar pr0un: [ 2009.10.12 19:57:15 ] Deleterius > are they blitzing the 10-10 pos in G8AD plz ? [ 2009.10.12 19:57:32 ] Deleterius > send gunners there if possible [ 2009.10.12 19:57:41 ] Deleterius > it seems they are strikking at the pos [ 2009.10.12 19:59:52 ] Redia > dude, i died 24hours ago trying to man the guns, all guns are incapped :) [ 2009.10.12 19:59:59 ] Redia > g8 will lose sov [ 2009.10.12 20:00:16 ] Deleterius > ok then :-( [ 2009.10.12 20:00:22 ] Redia > we have no more isk the alliance is broke as a joke and the morale is extremly bad -- Gnosis19, CEO ICHIZOKU
Manterror Gallente Fuzzy Duck Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.10.17 15:24:00 - [45] ....screw it.... IBTL
Ventro69 Caldari Manson Family BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.10.17 15:27:00 - [46] Confirming that Defi4nt is a terrible alliance, BUT, the Op is a gigger tool than all of them together. You're the type of cancer that should be kicked. Little insignifi** 4-man corp crying and moaning coz they didn't get a Vagabond replaced. Boo-hoo, you silly little bedwetter. Also, confirming that Kyp is a terrible** alliance leader, BUT, I tip my hat to anyone that steps up and are prepared to lead, all the while dealing with attention-whoring polesmokers like the Op. Manterror, I saved you from Defy and you couldn't cut it in Stain. Fit a faction "insert race that you fly" and join back up and we'll be friends. Save you a seat at next year's Super 14 final
Nefarator Caldari Ichizoku	Posted - 2009.10.17 16:20:00 - [47] Originally by: Dollchops Gnosis, For a 9 member ( 2 actual players )... I guess I don't count. :(
Fearless M0F0 Gallente Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.10.17 20:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Gnosis19 Apparently there are 'complaints' about us, and we are on 'probation'? Funny, no one told us that. I expect the complaints come from the 80% of the alliance that never participate in ops, even CTAs, and never use Vent, and just sit in Deklein whoring the easy ISK that DEFY gives them great access to. This sounds a lot to what DEFY leadership did to my ex-corp. I didn't get into the wtf politics so I'm not sure. Only thing I know our corp leaders were really ****ed off with the alliance when we left. I liked it in there, too bad we missed Tri's eviction ops
Manterror Gallente Fuzzy Duck Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.10.17 22:11:00 - [49] Originally by: Ventro69 Edited by: Ventro69 on 17/10/2009 15:28:10 Confirming that Defi4nt is a terrible alliance, BUT, the Op is a bigger tool than all of them together. You're the type of cancer that should be kicked. Little insignifi** 4-man corp crying and moaning coz they didn't get a Vagabond replaced. Boo-hoo, you silly little bedwetter. Also, confirming that Kyp is a terrible alliance leader, BUT, I tip my hat to anyone that steps up and are prepared to lead, all the while dealing with attention-whoring polesmokers like the Op. Manterror, I saved you from Defy and you couldn't cut it in Stain. Fit a faction "insert race that you fly" cruiser and join back up and we'll be friends. Save you a seat at next year's Super 14 final My team has to make it there first haha. And nah, I was enjoyin ya corp but then a call went up by my RL mates to start a corp so i went back to defy, grabbed all my **, and then started own corp. Was a shame but had to be done C u on the rugby-field
Jarbis Leed Minmatar Pan-Corporate Productions	Posted - 2009.10.18 00:11:00 - [50] Edited by: Jarbis Leed on 18/10/2009 00:12:00 Originally by: Ventro69 Confirming that Defi4nt is a terrible alliance, BUT, the Op is a bigger tool than all of them together. You're the type of cancer that should be kicked. Little insignifi** 4-man corp crying and moaning coz they didn't get a Vagabond replaced. Boo-hoo, you silly little bedwetter. Also, confirming that Kyp is a terrible alliance leader, BUT, I tip my hat to anyone that steps up and are prepared to lead, all the while dealing with attention-whoring polesmokers like the Op. Confirming one of the few times ventro has said something I agree with. DEFY is what it is, and kypp certainly didnt use charisma as her dump stat, but she tries and she works at it hard... which is more than I can say for the op. Good work OP, you have 3 active members and can't stop crying over losing a few hundred mill. My sincerest sympathies. But luckily you've learned a valuable lesson on the role mini-corps like yours play in 0.0 alliances. The word is "fodder" -- get better or get used to it, and either way stop crying. ---------- If you're not **ing something up, you're not living in 0.0
monomatic Minmatar Space Perverts D0GS OF WAR	Posted - 2009.10.18 01:13:00 - [51] tbh ms kypp and redia are nothing but a good bunch or loyal peop,e .. they know what there talking about and tbh nothing else maters apart from goons suck arse .. bob are dead and wtf are the council....... ms kypp just ignore the trolls and ask redia if he wants to go homo with me?
Grarr Bexx Gallente Heron Industries	Posted - 2009.10.18 01:36:00 - [52] Originally by: DEFY alliance mail 2009.10.17 21:06 Hi, This is becoming a joke guys, the leaders are busting there asses to give us all some action & support. We r only putting a fleet larger than 15 in a blue moon, we need to really pull together more. 110 peeps in alliance tonight & for some reason we r only getting 10 in a fleet. 1. No one is on vent 2. Peeps r not fleeting and I keep hearing "I DONT HAVE A SHIP". ... that is going to change. I will work on arranging a once off buy for as much as I can bring out here for all the peeps that are too lazy, too busy or too busy fighting for us in CR (Which we are grateful to you guys) So, to help I will jump a shed load of cheap ships out here and put them on the market at no profit just empire cost and a bit of fuel cover. So no more excuses when we get this done. -can peeps look at bringing some mods and ammo out here? -If peep want to help in logistics please contact me?
Miandris Malkier Caldari Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.18 02:38:00 - [53] Edited by: Miandris Malkier on 18/10/2009 02:44:17 This sounds a lot to what DEFY leadership did to my ex-corp. I didn't get into the wtf politics so I'm not sure. Only thing I know our corp leaders were really **ed off with the alliance when we left. I liked it in there, too bad we missed Tri's eviction ops Fearless your former corp was kicked because it's CEO had a mouth on him and had no concept of constructive criticism or showing the respect he expected to be given. As one of the former officers of DEFY who tried often to make people act with cooler heads, he managed to ** me off to where even I demanded his removal. CON was not disliked. Jack was. By the way you don't throw personal insults at the boss and expect to be employed soon after. Ms Kypp sadly has a job that offers no thanks at all. If the corporations in DEFY would have actually work to make the efforts that she is proposing happen, DEFY could have been great. But corporations keep thinking that it is corp first then alliance. I wish DEFY the best but I left because I got tired of having to constantly handle every complaint and drama-bomb that corps like this one created. People who think that being loud mouth idiots about everything actually helps settle any matter ruined that alliance and any cooperative efforts it may have been going for. If Defy falls, it isn't Ms Kypps fault, it's all those corps that thought they were ready for 0.0 but wanted to act like independent high-sec corps. An alliance should not require a babysitter, the CEOs should be able to carry out alliance policy without having to be carried by the leadership through every step.
Jarbis Leed Minmatar Pan-Corporate Productions	Posted - 2009.10.18 02:54:00 - [54] Confirming that Jack Tau is a complete tool. ---------- If you're not ****ing something up, you're not living in 0.0
Orebuster Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.18 05:11:00 - [55] Quote: Nitor1013Z > altaica, i can give u like 28 mil to cover your loss best part of the chatlog
BlueMajere Caldari Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.10.18 05:55:00 - [56] Originally by: Miandris Malkier Edited by: Miandris Malkier on 18/10/2009 05:47:12 Edited by: Miandris Malkier on 18/10/2009 05:34:40 Response to Fearless mofo's statement and the rest of this idiocy. This sounds a lot to what DEFY leadership did to my ex-corp. I didn't get into the wtf politics so I'm not sure. Only thing I know our corp leaders were really **ed off with the alliance when we left. I liked it in there, too bad we missed Tri's eviction ops Fearless your former corp was kicked because it's CEO had a mouth on him and had no concept of constructive criticism or showing the respect he expected to be given. As one of the former officers of DEFY who tried often to make people act with cooler heads, he managed to ** me off to where even I demanded his removal. CON was not disliked. Jack was. By the way you don't throw personal insults at the boss and expect to be employed soon after. Ms Kypp sadly has a job that offers no thanks at all. If the corporations in DEFY would have actually worked to make the efforts that she is proposing happen, DEFY could have been great. But corporations keep thinking that it is corp first then alliance. I wish DEFY the best but I left because I got tired of having to constantly handle every complaint and drama-bomb that corps like this one created. People who think that being loud mouth idiots about everything actually helps settle any matter ruined that alliance and any cooperative efforts it may have been going for. If Defy falls, it isn't Ms Kypps fault, it's all those corps that thought they were ready for 0.0 but wanted to act like independent high-sec corps. An alliance should not require a babysitter, the CEOs should be able to carry out alliance policy without having to be carried by the leadership through every step. Gnossis, I don't know you but you sound like the type of player that caused the fall in the first place. No, your opinion is not always valid. No, most alliances do not put everything up to plebiscite. Sorry bro, but thinking that being a loud mouth is productive is not the right way. You have an opinion fine, learn how to broadcast it and you will find that life in general will be better. It's all about how you broadcast your message. Oh and really you lost 400 mil in sniper bs's?! That's like 3.5 battleships. Sorry man but if that is what sets ya off I wouldn't try that crap in say.....Atlas, PL, Goons, the ex Kenny corps or just about any other established alliance that would supposedly listen you. You might find yourself slightly disappointed. NO U :3
Miandris Malkier Caldari Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.18 06:02:00 - [57] BLUE!!!!!!!!! Oh how I miss flying around and killing internet people with you. LOL. How ya been bro!
BlueMajere Caldari Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.10.18 06:08:00 - [58] Originally by: Miandris Malkier BLUE!!!!!!!!! Oh how I miss flying around and killing internet people with you. LOL. How ya been bro! who the **** are you?
Miandris Malkier Caldari Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.18 06:09:00 - [59] Blue. I am your father.
BlueMajere Caldari Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.10.18 06:37:00 - [60] Originally by: Miandris Malkier Blue. I am your father. I don't know you, at all. Mind clueing me in to who the **** you are?

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