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Wr4ith
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Posted - 2009.10.17 05:49:00 -
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I have a new character and bought a PLEX card to make money off of it by selling it. I don't have much ISK, as my character is only a week old. Can someone please explain to me who I am supposed to sell the PLEX now, when it costs me 10 million in fees to put it on the market?
This is something I should have been informed of before purchasing I think. Now I'm stuck with these two 30 day cards that I can't sell until I spend a ton of time earning money. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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xc0n
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Posted - 2009.10.17 06:04:00 -
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Edited by: xc0n on 17/10/2009 06:05:17
Contracts maybe? Train up your trade skills like Accounting?
Guess you should of just sold the GTC on the forums instead :\
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.10.17 06:04:00 -
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Reduce broker fees by training up Broker Relations.
Reduce sales tax by training up Accounting.
Increase money-in-pocket by running the career advancement missions in a different region (another 2M ISK for free), then run a bunch of missions, loot and salvage the wreck, and make up your 10M in a few days.
Borrow 10M ISK from someone - there's sure to be someone out there who will trust you enough to loan you the 10M.
Advertise the PLEX in local chat, and arrange an in-station trade.
Create a contract to sell the PLEX.
Sell the PLEX to a buy order.
Those are some ideas off the top of my head.
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ZeeWes
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Posted - 2009.10.17 06:05:00 -
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Well if you can't afford the broker fee you could sell them for cheaper, you could set up a contract that is the plex for x amount of isk, or use them next month to pay for your account rather then buying more time.
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AmarrettoDiAmarr
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Posted - 2009.10.17 06:20:00 -
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Can't you just right click and select the "sell this item"? Not the way to get the absolute maximum, but PLEXes are pretty efficient (small spread between bid/ask.) If you are just taking market price, there should not be market order fees.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.17 06:45:00 -
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I wouldn't put up a sell order if the buy orders are less than 8-10m below your sell price, because of the listing fee.
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Hoshi
Eviction.
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Posted - 2009.10.17 08:51:00 -
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Selling to a buy order vs putting up a sell order makes no difference from the game point of view, both do the exact same thing with the same costs involved.
When you sell to a buy order what you actually do is put up a sell order and that sell order is then immediately matched against the buy order. This is the reason you can not sell to a specific buy order, the game will chose the first matching one which will be the cheapest and if your sell order is set to a higher price you will still buy the cheaper one but pay the higher price.
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Posted - 2009.10.17 09:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Mara Rinn
Advertise the PLEX in local chat, and arrange an in-station trade.
LOL, If your a noob just hold back a couple of days before trading expensive stuff with ppl you dont know.
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Eaton d'Sorder
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Posted - 2009.10.17 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Wr4ith
This is something I should have been informed of before purchasing I think. Now I'm stuck with these two 30 day cards that I can't sell until I spend a ton of time earning money.
Why should you be 'informed'? Why should we assume you are an isk buyer rather than buying the cards to use them yourself?
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Morgan La'Chance
Caldari
Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics
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Posted - 2009.10.17 10:17:00 -
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Don't lump GTC sellers together with ISK buyers.
Why you would *need* the ISK from a GTC sale at such an early age is beyond me, though.
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Mickey Simon
Blutkinder
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Posted - 2009.10.17 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Morgan La'Chance
Why you would *need* the ISK from a GTC sale at such an early age is beyond me, though.
Implants probably, they're p handy.
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Chi Quan
Bibkor Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.10.17 11:25:00 -
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contracts
they cost only 10k to set up
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Pan Dora
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.10.17 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Wr4ith
This is something I should have been informed of before purchasing I think.
The tutorial explain how the markets work and a lots of usefull basic info about the game. You tried to do something without the basic knowledge of the mechanics involved.
Do the tutorials and pay attention.
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Arkeladin
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Posted - 2009.10.17 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Wr4ith
I have a new character and bought a PLEX card to make money off of it by selling it. I don't have much ISK, as my character is only a week old. Can someone please explain to me who I am supposed to sell the PLEX now, when it costs me 10 million in fees to put it on the market?
This is something I should have been informed of before purchasing I think. Now I'm stuck with these two 30 day cards that I can't sell until I spend a ton of time earning money. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Sometimes, the easy way to things ends up costing you more than doing it the "hard" way. As you've just found out.
There is ALWAYS tax and broker fees on anything you sell. If you do a "instant sell" you often don't see them, unless you check your Journal. When you put up a sell order, they're plainly documented.
Why you thought this would be different for a PLEX is anyone's guess. EITHER WAY, you've gotten yourself into this mess, there's a few ways to get out of it.
To get 10 mill, you can rum missions, or mine, or take courier contracts.
1) MISSIONS: You can make the ISK to sell those PLEX fairly easily, depending on what level of mission your'e running. Note I didn't say "quickly" - it's going to take a time investment. If you loot AND salvage in the right areas, you can get that 20 mill (2 PLEX x 10m fees, according to what you said) in about 40 level 1 missions, 25 or so Level 2, 10 level 3s, and 6 level IVs.
2) MINING: Depends on what you're mining and what the going rate is. Mineral prices are currently depresswd, so it'll be a long grind, even if you're skilled for a Hulk. Depnding won what you're mining, and in what level ship (I'll assume frigate since you say this is a relatively new character), it'll take abotu a week or so to mine enough Veld to make up that 20 mill.
3) COURIER CONTRACTS: Soem good money to be made here, but BEWARE. Bogus courier contracts are often used by gankers to lure unsuspecting people into low/nullsec for easy ganking. Before you accept any courier contract, take a look at where it goes, and how much collateral they ask for. If it's going to low/nullsec, AND/OR a player-owned station AND/OR asks you for a high amount of collateral, avoid it like the plague. If it's to a player-run station, there's a good chance you won't have doclking rights, and a ganker or fice will be waiting. That, used on conjunction with a high amount of collateral will bleed you of almost everything you have. Just taking a hauler into lowsec can cause this as well - and your goal is making money, NOT getting ganked.
There's some tips for you, hope they help. By all means, DON'T take the easy way out and go to a RMT for extra ISK - CCP can and DOES track all such transactions, and will find you. They'll then withdraw ALL the bought ISK from your wallet, often leaving in the red. At that point you can't buy or sell ANYTHING until your balance is positive once again. It's Not Worth It.
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2009.10.17 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Wr4ith
This is something I should have been informed of before purchasing I think.
No, EVE does not hold your hand. If you sell ANYTHING there is a tax involved, what made you think there would be none involved with plex, which are bought and sold like any other commodity in the in-game market? Maybe you never look at the confirmation window when using the market and missed the tax being applied? Regardless, it is not CCP's fault that you did not think about the tax before you got the PLEX's.
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Eaton d'Sorder
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Posted - 2009.10.18 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Morgan La'Chance
Don't lump GTC sellers together with ISK buyers.
Why you would *need* the ISK from a GTC sale at such an early age is beyond me, though.
Let's not get all Politically Correct. It is buying isk. I doubt there are any people doing it just to help poor players that can't afford their own subscription. If they just wanted to do that, they'd buy the GTC and give em away for free. Bottom line is they are using real money to get ahead in the game. Yes it is completely within the rules. But don't get uppity and try claiming a moral high ground. I'll lump them all I want.
Why would they need it? As said: they have real money and want to try to get ahead in a game.
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Tayonas
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Posted - 2009.10.18 14:26:00 -
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I bought a GTC within my 2 week trial and sold a PLEX straight away to get implants, skills and ships.
3 weeks later I done the exact same with another account I opened.
So within 5 weeks of starting to play I had 2 accounts and sold 2 PLEX.
8 weeks now since I started playing and I have about 20m left, if Im lucky. Though I have had to replace a Typhoon I lost in this time, but even saying thats as much as 100m, makes me wonder how much crap I have in storage lol.
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.10.18 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tayonas
I bought a GTC...
8 weeks now since I started playing...I have had to replace a Typhoon I lost in this time...
This is why so many recommend against selling PLEX as a new player. The temptation to fly crap you have NO earthly ability to fly is too great, and you wind up with 2m SP characters in battleships who don't understand why they get roasted by frigs.
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Tayonas
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Posted - 2009.10.19 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai
Originally by: Tayonas
I bought a GTC...
8 weeks now since I started playing...I have had to replace a Typhoon I lost in this time...
This is why so many recommend against selling PLEX as a new player. The temptation to fly crap you have NO earthly ability to fly is too great, and you wind up with 2m SP characters in battleships who don't understand why they get roasted by frigs.
Actually it took me a couple of weeks and a lot of missions to lose it and it was a lvl 4 solo mission, very first lvl 4 and I wasnt expecting the difficulty jump to be so massive. When I warped in I landed right in the centre of the NPC's. Im not PvPing with it or using it in low/nullsec. I completed the mission on the next attempt and when I warped back into the mission I landed somewhere completely different. But I still completed it with the exact same setup.
But yea, I mean, selling a PLEX early on must be a bad idea, Ive only had 22+ in all attributes except charisma (19) from week 3, sucks I guess. I'll have 3.6m SP in the next 44hrs with 3 lvl 5 learning skills too on an 8 week old char thats been doing solo lvl 4's for 2 weeks. Granted, the char isnt great (haha nowhere near great) compared to a heavy hitter but if it can rack up the lvl 4's while training it will do me to get standings for later instead of messing about with lvl 2 missions.
I also used the ISK early on to blow ships up, experimenting with fits and lost 5 ships in a few days just seeing the best way to kill NPCs, something I wouldnt have been able to do so early without selling a PLEX.
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2009.10.19 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Eaton d'Sorder
Why would they need it? As said: they have real money and want to try to get ahead in a game.
Implants.
World. Of. Difference.
Really... No one wants to wait 2 months to start playing a game on the save level as everyone else.
Of course this entails they plan out their skills first. I would still recommend at least one month of messing around to make sure you know what you want to do before going into whole hog +3 or +4 implants.
And when you do get them... Stay in a station and let that character "cook" for a while so that you at least get some return on them before you go into low sec and get podded with over 100 million worth of implants.
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Pan Dora
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.10.19 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Tardbar
Originally by: Eaton d'Sorder
Why would they need it? As said: they have real money and want to try to get ahead in a game.
Implants.
World. Of. Difference.
Really... No one wants to wait 2 months to start playing a game on the save level as everyone else.
Then after a year or two in the game they realise they just waste this 'quick start' because of the lack of experience. That when they dont just leave when they realise that older player will still be way ahead of then in Skill point.
Meanwhile there are that people playing the game and having fun since day one, without the need of rushing to some mytical EVE's end game.
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2009.10.20 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Dora
Originally by: Captain Tardbar
Originally by: Eaton d'Sorder
Why would they need it? As said: they have real money and want to try to get ahead in a game.
Implants.
World. Of. Difference.
Really... No one wants to wait 2 months to start playing a game on the save level as everyone else.
Then after a year or two in the game they realise they just waste this 'quick start' because of the lack of experience. That when they dont just leave when they realise that older player will still be way ahead of then in Skill point.
Meanwhile there are that people playing the game and having fun since day one, without the need of rushing to some mytical EVE's end game.
After 6 months of skill training most players are equal in high sec anyways as capital ships can't go there.
Look, I don't have the wear withal to grind EVE's PVE mission or mine more than I have to. Compared to most other MMO's the PVE mission system is really boring and I'm not a crafter.
Secondly, I see selling Plex as an investment as long as the cards are played right.
Instead of grinding to pay for a Hulk, you can get the plex and then use the Hulk to earn money a lot more quicker than you could otherwise.
Or in my case, get a BS to run missions from the get go. Its basically paid for itself.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.10.20 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Selling to a buy order vs putting up a sell order makes no difference from the game point of view, both do the exact same thing with the same costs involved.
Selling straight to a buy order, assuming there's one in your station, should work. You still get charged fees, but the fees are taken out of the ISK you are receiving. So you will immediately receive the 300 Mil ISK, then get the 10 Mil (or whatever) ISK taken out after.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.10.20 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Tardbar
After 6 months of skill training most players are equal in high sec anyways as capital ships can't go there.
Look, I don't have the wear withal to grind EVE's PVE mission or mine more than I have to. Compared to most other MMO's the PVE mission system is really boring and I'm not a crafter.
Secondly, I see selling Plex as an investment as long as the cards are played right.
Instead of grinding to pay for a Hulk, you can get the plex and then use the Hulk to earn money a lot more quicker than you could otherwise.
Or in my case, get a BS to run missions from the get go. Its basically paid for itself.
yes it can be a great way to get started, but many people don't have the knowledge or restraint to put the isk to good use. o lols lets buy some pandemonium bcus and arby heavy launchers, and now a raven because it is big, and a medum hull rep because I have lots of slots.
although at 6 months my skills were pretty bad. my fitting/general skills were pretty good, but wasn't sure in which race to specialize. knew I wanted to do pvp at somepoint.
probably could have been in a raven sooner, but well by the time I had that 100mil to buy it I also had all the support skills as I said earlier, although my missile skills were pretty bad. ah well it worked.
if i had that 600mil isk to start with I dunno where the hell I'd be.
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