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Bull Slater
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Posted - 2004.10.30 19:49:00 -
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I can't be the only one annoyed and sick of people trying to scam others by offering, for example, a Rifter as a Minmatar assault frigate (the Wolf). Is Escrow still going to be a part of Shiva? If so how about a system like eBay where you can leave a rating for a seller? That way you wouldn't have to inspect every single thing for sale to make sure it is what it says it is, you could just look at the rating. Scammers would soon vanish with their ridiculously low ratings.
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Bull Slater
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Posted - 2004.10.30 19:49:00 -
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I can't be the only one annoyed and sick of people trying to scam others by offering, for example, a Rifter as a Minmatar assault frigate (the Wolf). Is Escrow still going to be a part of Shiva? If so how about a system like eBay where you can leave a rating for a seller? That way you wouldn't have to inspect every single thing for sale to make sure it is what it says it is, you could just look at the rating. Scammers would soon vanish with their ridiculously low ratings.
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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.10.30 20:02:00 -
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as far as i can tell escrow is still part of shiva i do hope ccp will do something about it lo as im so fed up with seeing scammers on it
You cant beat Death
But you can make the bastard work hard for it
wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia |
Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.10.30 20:02:00 -
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as far as i can tell escrow is still part of shiva i do hope ccp will do something about it lo as im so fed up with seeing scammers on it
You cant beat Death
But you can make the bastard work hard for it
wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia |
Pagamre
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Posted - 2004.10.30 20:32:00 -
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i think using escroow to scam with is lame,
now im a scamer myself, and i do it the proper way,
trying to sell stuff to people like labs and such like
means i have to spend time and effort at it.
ALso means i get to strke up a converstatuion with my "customers" hehe
but yeah i think scaming on escrow is lame as well.
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Pagamre
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Posted - 2004.10.30 20:32:00 -
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i think using escroow to scam with is lame,
now im a scamer myself, and i do it the proper way,
trying to sell stuff to people like labs and such like
means i have to spend time and effort at it.
ALso means i get to strke up a converstatuion with my "customers" hehe
but yeah i think scaming on escrow is lame as well.
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Qayos
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Posted - 2004.10.30 20:34:00 -
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It wont solve anything. People who are unable to play the game successfully without cheating will just use alts to sell their stuff for them. Once that one gets a bad rating, they will make a new one.
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Qayos
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Posted - 2004.10.30 20:34:00 -
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It wont solve anything. People who are unable to play the game successfully without cheating will just use alts to sell their stuff for them. Once that one gets a bad rating, they will make a new one.
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Mirus Crosius
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Posted - 2004.10.30 21:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Pagamre
i think using escroow to scam with is lame,
now im a scamer myself, and i do it the proper way,
trying to sell stuff to people like labs and such like
means i have to spend time and effort at it.
ALso means i get to strke up a converstatuion with my "customers" hehe
but yeah i think scaming on escrow is lame as well.
Ooh, ohh, wait... so scamming one way is "lame"... and scamming another is, er, not.
Scamming does add a certain reality to the game; but don't differentiate and start telling yourself you're better because you use a different style of scamming. You can't say there is a "proper" way to scam. If the person gets his ill-gotten gains and gets away with it... well, it doesn't matter how he/she did it - their mission was successful.
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Mirus Crosius
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Posted - 2004.10.30 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Pagamre
i think using escroow to scam with is lame,
now im a scamer myself, and i do it the proper way,
trying to sell stuff to people like labs and such like
means i have to spend time and effort at it.
ALso means i get to strke up a converstatuion with my "customers" hehe
but yeah i think scaming on escrow is lame as well.
Ooh, ohh, wait... so scamming one way is "lame"... and scamming another is, er, not.
Scamming does add a certain reality to the game; but don't differentiate and start telling yourself you're better because you use a different style of scamming. You can't say there is a "proper" way to scam. If the person gets his ill-gotten gains and gets away with it... well, it doesn't matter how he/she did it - their mission was successful.
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Kaladryn
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Posted - 2004.10.30 21:36:00 -
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Scamming doesn't add any realism at all, none, zero. In REALITY these are EXPLOITS.
Think about it: in a real life market, sellers and buyers simply adjust things so that scams are not possible.
Take lab slots for example: the only reason people get away with scamming them is because CCP hasn't added a trade option for them.
Take escrow for example: the only reason people get away with scams here is because CCP has not added a column that shows the actual item.
All you scammers: you are simply exploiters and cheaters who work with stuff that isn't against the EULA. The real reality of course is that CCP would have a hard time enforcing the violations.
Scammers are actually worse than just exploiters, they actually take away from Eve. Programmers have to spend time fixing the market so that these things don't happen, thus taking away programming hours for content and bug fixes.
Thanks!
Kaladryn |
Kaladryn
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Posted - 2004.10.30 21:36:00 -
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Scamming doesn't add any realism at all, none, zero. In REALITY these are EXPLOITS.
Think about it: in a real life market, sellers and buyers simply adjust things so that scams are not possible.
Take lab slots for example: the only reason people get away with scamming them is because CCP hasn't added a trade option for them.
Take escrow for example: the only reason people get away with scams here is because CCP has not added a column that shows the actual item.
All you scammers: you are simply exploiters and cheaters who work with stuff that isn't against the EULA. The real reality of course is that CCP would have a hard time enforcing the violations.
Scammers are actually worse than just exploiters, they actually take away from Eve. Programmers have to spend time fixing the market so that these things don't happen, thus taking away programming hours for content and bug fixes.
Thanks!
Kaladryn |
CmdoColin
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Posted - 2004.10.30 21:57:00 -
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Escrow does seem particularly bad today - eveything I looked at on escrow today was actually either a foxfire rocket or a caldari shuttle.
I'm not bothered about the scamming its more the time wasted actually searching for what you want by inspecting orders that are incorrectly described.
Audita et altera pars |
CmdoColin
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Posted - 2004.10.30 21:57:00 -
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Escrow does seem particularly bad today - eveything I looked at on escrow today was actually either a foxfire rocket or a caldari shuttle.
I'm not bothered about the scamming its more the time wasted actually searching for what you want by inspecting orders that are incorrectly described.
Audita et altera pars |
Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:37:00 -
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It just needs to be changed so that anyone you have on your block list doesnt have any escrow showing when you're browsing. I dont really care about the scammers, but ffs its a huge pain in the ass to try to find something you want in all the crap.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:37:00 -
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It just needs to be changed so that anyone you have on your block list doesnt have any escrow showing when you're browsing. I dont really care about the scammers, but ffs its a huge pain in the ass to try to find something you want in all the crap.
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:41:00 -
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 inspect mechandise
show info
hardly a problem really, except the fact that all the sh1te prevents you seeing the genuine stuff |
meowcat
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:41:00 -
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inspect mechandise
show info
hardly a problem really, except the fact that all the sh1te prevents you seeing the genuine stuff |
Jobby
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: meowcat
hardly a problem really, except the fact that all the sh1te prevents you seeing the genuine stuff
Exactly, and I'm surprised some lame person hasn't completely clogged up the escrow system with shuttles...because they can.
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Jobby
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: meowcat
hardly a problem really, except the fact that all the sh1te prevents you seeing the genuine stuff
Exactly, and I'm surprised some lame person hasn't completely clogged up the escrow system with shuttles...because they can.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2004.10.30 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jobby
Originally by: meowcat
hardly a problem really, except the fact that all the sh1te prevents you seeing the genuine stuff
Exactly, and I'm surprised some lame person hasn't completely clogged up the escrow system with shuttles...because they can.
Somebody did that several months back. Put 60 something shuttles on as BSes, plus hundreds more of other stuff. The account was banned.
And saying Escrow scams are an exploit and unrealistic is false. There are scams in the real world all the time. It's actually much easier to spot a scammer in Eve than in RL.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2004.10.30 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jobby
Originally by: meowcat
hardly a problem really, except the fact that all the sh1te prevents you seeing the genuine stuff
Exactly, and I'm surprised some lame person hasn't completely clogged up the escrow system with shuttles...because they can.
Somebody did that several months back. Put 60 something shuttles on as BSes, plus hundreds more of other stuff. The account was banned.
And saying Escrow scams are an exploit and unrealistic is false. There are scams in the real world all the time. It's actually much easier to spot a scammer in Eve than in RL.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.10.30 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pandora Panda
It just needs to be changed so that anyone you have on your block list doesnt have any escrow showing when you're browsing. I dont really care about the scammers, but ffs its a huge pain in the ass to try to find something you want in all the crap.
/agree. Been suggesting this for ages.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.10.30 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pandora Panda
It just needs to be changed so that anyone you have on your block list doesnt have any escrow showing when you're browsing. I dont really care about the scammers, but ffs its a huge pain in the ass to try to find something you want in all the crap.
/agree. Been suggesting this for ages.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Storm Mage
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Posted - 2004.10.31 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Bull Slater
I can't be the only one annoyed and sick of people trying to scam others by offering, for example, a Rifter as a Minmatar assault frigate (the Wolf). Is Escrow still going to be a part of Shiva? If so how about a system like eBay where you can leave a rating for a seller? That way you wouldn't have to inspect every single thing for sale to make sure it is what it says it is, you could just look at the rating. Scammers would soon vanish with their ridiculously low ratings.
You have the option to check what is in the escrow (inspect content) and there is also a confirmation to claim the escrow which lists the contents of the escrow. If you don't pay attention to these and still fall for the scam I cannot say I am sorry for you as you had every chance to stop and not claim it.
Let the lightning be your warning and the thunder your battlecry! |
Storm Mage
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Posted - 2004.10.31 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Bull Slater
I can't be the only one annoyed and sick of people trying to scam others by offering, for example, a Rifter as a Minmatar assault frigate (the Wolf). Is Escrow still going to be a part of Shiva? If so how about a system like eBay where you can leave a rating for a seller? That way you wouldn't have to inspect every single thing for sale to make sure it is what it says it is, you could just look at the rating. Scammers would soon vanish with their ridiculously low ratings.
You have the option to check what is in the escrow (inspect content) and there is also a confirmation to claim the escrow which lists the contents of the escrow. If you don't pay attention to these and still fall for the scam I cannot say I am sorry for you as you had every chance to stop and not claim it.
Let the lightning be your warning and the thunder your battlecry! |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.10.31 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Pandora Panda
It just needs to be changed so that anyone you have on your block list doesnt have any escrow showing when you're browsing. I dont really care about the scammers, but ffs its a huge pain in the ass to try to find something you want in all the crap.
/agree. Been suggesting this for ages.
seconded.
It would be nice to block blocked people from *all* transactions. Including the normal market. I would imagine the extra lag would be unwelcome, though.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.10.31 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Pandora Panda
It just needs to be changed so that anyone you have on your block list doesnt have any escrow showing when you're browsing. I dont really care about the scammers, but ffs its a huge pain in the ass to try to find something you want in all the crap.
/agree. Been suggesting this for ages.
seconded.
It would be nice to block blocked people from *all* transactions. Including the normal market. I would imagine the extra lag would be unwelcome, though.
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Bull Slater
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Posted - 2004.10.31 05:26:00 -
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Yes I'm sure a lot of people are aware of how to inspect merchandise to be sure it is what they want but that takes time. It might not seem a lot to you but if you're trying to find a good price on something you end up checking a lot of items only to find that a lot of the offers are rockets, shuttles or some other junk.
As for legitimate 'scamming' I don't know for sure but I think the guy (can't see the avatar to be sure it is a guy) meant that they sell labs slots or factory slots using shuttles because there is no lab slot option. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though. If they own the slots originally and are just planning to move or make money from them when they get out I don't mind, if it's a slot stolen from someone else that's where it starts to cross the line.
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Bull Slater
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Posted - 2004.10.31 05:26:00 -
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Yes I'm sure a lot of people are aware of how to inspect merchandise to be sure it is what they want but that takes time. It might not seem a lot to you but if you're trying to find a good price on something you end up checking a lot of items only to find that a lot of the offers are rockets, shuttles or some other junk.
As for legitimate 'scamming' I don't know for sure but I think the guy (can't see the avatar to be sure it is a guy) meant that they sell labs slots or factory slots using shuttles because there is no lab slot option. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though. If they own the slots originally and are just planning to move or make money from them when they get out I don't mind, if it's a slot stolen from someone else that's where it starts to cross the line.
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