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Bull Slater
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Posted - 2004.10.30 19:49:00 -
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I can't be the only one annoyed and sick of people trying to scam others by offering, for example, a Rifter as a Minmatar assault frigate (the Wolf). Is Escrow still going to be a part of Shiva? If so how about a system like eBay where you can leave a rating for a seller? That way you wouldn't have to inspect every single thing for sale to make sure it is what it says it is, you could just look at the rating. Scammers would soon vanish with their ridiculously low ratings.
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Bull Slater
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Posted - 2004.10.30 19:49:00 -
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I can't be the only one annoyed and sick of people trying to scam others by offering, for example, a Rifter as a Minmatar assault frigate (the Wolf). Is Escrow still going to be a part of Shiva? If so how about a system like eBay where you can leave a rating for a seller? That way you wouldn't have to inspect every single thing for sale to make sure it is what it says it is, you could just look at the rating. Scammers would soon vanish with their ridiculously low ratings.
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Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.10.30 20:02:00 -
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as far as i can tell escrow is still part of shiva i do hope ccp will do something about it lo as im so fed up with seeing scammers on it
You cant beat Death
But you can make the bastard work hard for it
wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia |
Lord Anubis
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Posted - 2004.10.30 20:02:00 -
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as far as i can tell escrow is still part of shiva i do hope ccp will do something about it lo as im so fed up with seeing scammers on it
You cant beat Death
But you can make the bastard work hard for it
wtb Jerek Zuomi's Insignia |
Pagamre
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Posted - 2004.10.30 20:32:00 -
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i think using escroow to scam with is lame,
now im a scamer myself, and i do it the proper way,
trying to sell stuff to people like labs and such like
means i have to spend time and effort at it.
ALso means i get to strke up a converstatuion with my "customers" hehe
but yeah i think scaming on escrow is lame as well.
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Pagamre
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Posted - 2004.10.30 20:32:00 -
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i think using escroow to scam with is lame,
now im a scamer myself, and i do it the proper way,
trying to sell stuff to people like labs and such like
means i have to spend time and effort at it.
ALso means i get to strke up a converstatuion with my "customers" hehe
but yeah i think scaming on escrow is lame as well.
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Qayos
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Posted - 2004.10.30 20:34:00 -
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It wont solve anything. People who are unable to play the game successfully without cheating will just use alts to sell their stuff for them. Once that one gets a bad rating, they will make a new one.
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Qayos
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Posted - 2004.10.30 20:34:00 -
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It wont solve anything. People who are unable to play the game successfully without cheating will just use alts to sell their stuff for them. Once that one gets a bad rating, they will make a new one.
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Mirus Crosius
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Posted - 2004.10.30 21:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Pagamre
i think using escroow to scam with is lame,
now im a scamer myself, and i do it the proper way,
trying to sell stuff to people like labs and such like
means i have to spend time and effort at it.
ALso means i get to strke up a converstatuion with my "customers" hehe
but yeah i think scaming on escrow is lame as well.
Ooh, ohh, wait... so scamming one way is "lame"... and scamming another is, er, not.
Scamming does add a certain reality to the game; but don't differentiate and start telling yourself you're better because you use a different style of scamming. You can't say there is a "proper" way to scam. If the person gets his ill-gotten gains and gets away with it... well, it doesn't matter how he/she did it - their mission was successful.
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Mirus Crosius
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Posted - 2004.10.30 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Pagamre
i think using escroow to scam with is lame,
now im a scamer myself, and i do it the proper way,
trying to sell stuff to people like labs and such like
means i have to spend time and effort at it.
ALso means i get to strke up a converstatuion with my "customers" hehe
but yeah i think scaming on escrow is lame as well.
Ooh, ohh, wait... so scamming one way is "lame"... and scamming another is, er, not.
Scamming does add a certain reality to the game; but don't differentiate and start telling yourself you're better because you use a different style of scamming. You can't say there is a "proper" way to scam. If the person gets his ill-gotten gains and gets away with it... well, it doesn't matter how he/she did it - their mission was successful.
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Kaladryn
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Posted - 2004.10.30 21:36:00 -
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Scamming doesn't add any realism at all, none, zero. In REALITY these are EXPLOITS.
Think about it: in a real life market, sellers and buyers simply adjust things so that scams are not possible.
Take lab slots for example: the only reason people get away with scamming them is because CCP hasn't added a trade option for them.
Take escrow for example: the only reason people get away with scams here is because CCP has not added a column that shows the actual item.
All you scammers: you are simply exploiters and cheaters who work with stuff that isn't against the EULA. The real reality of course is that CCP would have a hard time enforcing the violations.
Scammers are actually worse than just exploiters, they actually take away from Eve. Programmers have to spend time fixing the market so that these things don't happen, thus taking away programming hours for content and bug fixes.
Thanks!
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Kaladryn
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Posted - 2004.10.30 21:36:00 -
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Scamming doesn't add any realism at all, none, zero. In REALITY these are EXPLOITS.
Think about it: in a real life market, sellers and buyers simply adjust things so that scams are not possible.
Take lab slots for example: the only reason people get away with scamming them is because CCP hasn't added a trade option for them.
Take escrow for example: the only reason people get away with scams here is because CCP has not added a column that shows the actual item.
All you scammers: you are simply exploiters and cheaters who work with stuff that isn't against the EULA. The real reality of course is that CCP would have a hard time enforcing the violations.
Scammers are actually worse than just exploiters, they actually take away from Eve. Programmers have to spend time fixing the market so that these things don't happen, thus taking away programming hours for content and bug fixes.
Thanks!
Kaladryn |
CmdoColin
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Posted - 2004.10.30 21:57:00 -
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Escrow does seem particularly bad today - eveything I looked at on escrow today was actually either a foxfire rocket or a caldari shuttle.
I'm not bothered about the scamming its more the time wasted actually searching for what you want by inspecting orders that are incorrectly described.
Audita et altera pars |
CmdoColin
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Posted - 2004.10.30 21:57:00 -
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Escrow does seem particularly bad today - eveything I looked at on escrow today was actually either a foxfire rocket or a caldari shuttle.
I'm not bothered about the scamming its more the time wasted actually searching for what you want by inspecting orders that are incorrectly described.
Audita et altera pars |
Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:37:00 -
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It just needs to be changed so that anyone you have on your block list doesnt have any escrow showing when you're browsing. I dont really care about the scammers, but ffs its a huge pain in the ass to try to find something you want in all the crap.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:37:00 -
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It just needs to be changed so that anyone you have on your block list doesnt have any escrow showing when you're browsing. I dont really care about the scammers, but ffs its a huge pain in the ass to try to find something you want in all the crap.
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:41:00 -
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 inspect mechandise
show info
hardly a problem really, except the fact that all the sh1te prevents you seeing the genuine stuff |
meowcat
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:41:00 -
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inspect mechandise
show info
hardly a problem really, except the fact that all the sh1te prevents you seeing the genuine stuff |
Jobby
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: meowcat
hardly a problem really, except the fact that all the sh1te prevents you seeing the genuine stuff
Exactly, and I'm surprised some lame person hasn't completely clogged up the escrow system with shuttles...because they can.
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Jobby
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Posted - 2004.10.30 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: meowcat
hardly a problem really, except the fact that all the sh1te prevents you seeing the genuine stuff
Exactly, and I'm surprised some lame person hasn't completely clogged up the escrow system with shuttles...because they can.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2004.10.30 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jobby
Originally by: meowcat
hardly a problem really, except the fact that all the sh1te prevents you seeing the genuine stuff
Exactly, and I'm surprised some lame person hasn't completely clogged up the escrow system with shuttles...because they can.
Somebody did that several months back. Put 60 something shuttles on as BSes, plus hundreds more of other stuff. The account was banned.
And saying Escrow scams are an exploit and unrealistic is false. There are scams in the real world all the time. It's actually much easier to spot a scammer in Eve than in RL.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2004.10.30 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jobby
Originally by: meowcat
hardly a problem really, except the fact that all the sh1te prevents you seeing the genuine stuff
Exactly, and I'm surprised some lame person hasn't completely clogged up the escrow system with shuttles...because they can.
Somebody did that several months back. Put 60 something shuttles on as BSes, plus hundreds more of other stuff. The account was banned.
And saying Escrow scams are an exploit and unrealistic is false. There are scams in the real world all the time. It's actually much easier to spot a scammer in Eve than in RL.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.10.30 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pandora Panda
It just needs to be changed so that anyone you have on your block list doesnt have any escrow showing when you're browsing. I dont really care about the scammers, but ffs its a huge pain in the ass to try to find something you want in all the crap.
/agree. Been suggesting this for ages.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.10.30 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pandora Panda
It just needs to be changed so that anyone you have on your block list doesnt have any escrow showing when you're browsing. I dont really care about the scammers, but ffs its a huge pain in the ass to try to find something you want in all the crap.
/agree. Been suggesting this for ages.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Storm Mage
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Posted - 2004.10.31 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Bull Slater
I can't be the only one annoyed and sick of people trying to scam others by offering, for example, a Rifter as a Minmatar assault frigate (the Wolf). Is Escrow still going to be a part of Shiva? If so how about a system like eBay where you can leave a rating for a seller? That way you wouldn't have to inspect every single thing for sale to make sure it is what it says it is, you could just look at the rating. Scammers would soon vanish with their ridiculously low ratings.
You have the option to check what is in the escrow (inspect content) and there is also a confirmation to claim the escrow which lists the contents of the escrow. If you don't pay attention to these and still fall for the scam I cannot say I am sorry for you as you had every chance to stop and not claim it.
Let the lightning be your warning and the thunder your battlecry! |
Storm Mage
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Posted - 2004.10.31 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Bull Slater
I can't be the only one annoyed and sick of people trying to scam others by offering, for example, a Rifter as a Minmatar assault frigate (the Wolf). Is Escrow still going to be a part of Shiva? If so how about a system like eBay where you can leave a rating for a seller? That way you wouldn't have to inspect every single thing for sale to make sure it is what it says it is, you could just look at the rating. Scammers would soon vanish with their ridiculously low ratings.
You have the option to check what is in the escrow (inspect content) and there is also a confirmation to claim the escrow which lists the contents of the escrow. If you don't pay attention to these and still fall for the scam I cannot say I am sorry for you as you had every chance to stop and not claim it.
Let the lightning be your warning and the thunder your battlecry! |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.10.31 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Pandora Panda
It just needs to be changed so that anyone you have on your block list doesnt have any escrow showing when you're browsing. I dont really care about the scammers, but ffs its a huge pain in the ass to try to find something you want in all the crap.
/agree. Been suggesting this for ages.
seconded.
It would be nice to block blocked people from *all* transactions. Including the normal market. I would imagine the extra lag would be unwelcome, though.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.10.31 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Pandora Panda
It just needs to be changed so that anyone you have on your block list doesnt have any escrow showing when you're browsing. I dont really care about the scammers, but ffs its a huge pain in the ass to try to find something you want in all the crap.
/agree. Been suggesting this for ages.
seconded.
It would be nice to block blocked people from *all* transactions. Including the normal market. I would imagine the extra lag would be unwelcome, though.
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Bull Slater
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Posted - 2004.10.31 05:26:00 -
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Yes I'm sure a lot of people are aware of how to inspect merchandise to be sure it is what they want but that takes time. It might not seem a lot to you but if you're trying to find a good price on something you end up checking a lot of items only to find that a lot of the offers are rockets, shuttles or some other junk.
As for legitimate 'scamming' I don't know for sure but I think the guy (can't see the avatar to be sure it is a guy) meant that they sell labs slots or factory slots using shuttles because there is no lab slot option. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though. If they own the slots originally and are just planning to move or make money from them when they get out I don't mind, if it's a slot stolen from someone else that's where it starts to cross the line.
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Bull Slater
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Posted - 2004.10.31 05:26:00 -
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Yes I'm sure a lot of people are aware of how to inspect merchandise to be sure it is what they want but that takes time. It might not seem a lot to you but if you're trying to find a good price on something you end up checking a lot of items only to find that a lot of the offers are rockets, shuttles or some other junk.
As for legitimate 'scamming' I don't know for sure but I think the guy (can't see the avatar to be sure it is a guy) meant that they sell labs slots or factory slots using shuttles because there is no lab slot option. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though. If they own the slots originally and are just planning to move or make money from them when they get out I don't mind, if it's a slot stolen from someone else that's where it starts to cross the line.
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.10.31 06:10:00 -
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ya,if anythink if you could block known scammer's escrows from showing, it might help keep legitamte escrows from being scrolled off
when I was selling implants, it would be removed in under 2 hours while the 15 escrows of single bloodclaws being sold as +3 mem would be there
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.10.31 06:10:00 -
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ya,if anythink if you could block known scammer's escrows from showing, it might help keep legitamte escrows from being scrolled off
when I was selling implants, it would be removed in under 2 hours while the 15 escrows of single bloodclaws being sold as +3 mem would be there
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Do not let the world change you.
Change the world
Here's everything I know about war: somebody wins, somebody loses, and nothing is ever the sa |
Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.10.31 08:34:00 -
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The ability to "off-list" players would probably be the best solution to escrow blockage. The only thing I'd worry about would be the sheer number of possible off-listings.
Perhapse a client-side list would work? I don't see how it would be harmful if players were able to edit off-line the list of players whose escrows they wish to ignore, and it should keep it from generating to heavy a server load.
Harry Voyager
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.10.31 08:34:00 -
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The ability to "off-list" players would probably be the best solution to escrow blockage. The only thing I'd worry about would be the sheer number of possible off-listings.
Perhapse a client-side list would work? I don't see how it would be harmful if players were able to edit off-line the list of players whose escrows they wish to ignore, and it should keep it from generating to heavy a server load.
Harry Voyager
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Formula 1
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Posted - 2004.10.31 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bull Slater
Yes I'm sure a lot of people are aware of how to inspect merchandise to be sure it is what they want but that takes time.
I agree that scammers are the lowest of the low, but if you are spending hard earned isk, then it PAYS to be careful and MAKE time to be market savvy.
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Formula 1
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Posted - 2004.10.31 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bull Slater
Yes I'm sure a lot of people are aware of how to inspect merchandise to be sure it is what they want but that takes time.
I agree that scammers are the lowest of the low, but if you are spending hard earned isk, then it PAYS to be careful and MAKE time to be market savvy.
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.10.31 09:54:00 -
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Proposal: Operation Make CCP fix escrow
Method: We all place as many "scam" entries on escrow as possible.
Rational: CCP have already - their "do not quote the GMs" policy notwithstanding - stated enough times that they will NOT reimburse players burnt by scams because they see scams as a legitimate form of gameplay. We are therefore safe - CCP cannot remove our scams, or ban our accounts without first reversing their scams-are-legitimate policy.
Now, our intent is to not actually scam players, so Im thinking the "scams" should be clearly marked as scams in escrow. The attempt is to merely clutter escrow with so many stupid entries that no one can use it at all.
Because Im not seeing CCP ever devoting any zots to this problem until, like a dog thats crapped in the house, their nose is rubbed in it.
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.10.31 09:54:00 -
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Proposal: Operation Make CCP fix escrow
Method: We all place as many "scam" entries on escrow as possible.
Rational: CCP have already - their "do not quote the GMs" policy notwithstanding - stated enough times that they will NOT reimburse players burnt by scams because they see scams as a legitimate form of gameplay. We are therefore safe - CCP cannot remove our scams, or ban our accounts without first reversing their scams-are-legitimate policy.
Now, our intent is to not actually scam players, so Im thinking the "scams" should be clearly marked as scams in escrow. The attempt is to merely clutter escrow with so many stupid entries that no one can use it at all.
Because Im not seeing CCP ever devoting any zots to this problem until, like a dog thats crapped in the house, their nose is rubbed in it.
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mafish
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Posted - 2004.10.31 10:12:00 -
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imo escorw should name the item when you put it up
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mafish
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Posted - 2004.10.31 10:12:00 -
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imo escorw should name the item when you put it up
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.10.31 10:19:00 -
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Unfortunately, if escrow named the item, and thus was confined to single item escrows... then it would loose all differentiability from the market, and people would ask serious questions of CCP why we dont use one interface to do all our buying and selling.
Wait a moment.
CCP, Why dont we use one interface to do all our buying and selling?
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.10.31 10:19:00 -
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Unfortunately, if escrow named the item, and thus was confined to single item escrows... then it would loose all differentiability from the market, and people would ask serious questions of CCP why we dont use one interface to do all our buying and selling.
Wait a moment.
CCP, Why dont we use one interface to do all our buying and selling?
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Canthus Prime
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Posted - 2004.10.31 10:45:00 -
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How about a simpler idea,
You can only put a single item in escrow each time but in quantity yes,
The escrow title and description for that item comes directly from the name and description for that item from within game.
All the player needs to do it put cost and availability etc
This would solve 2 problems, misrepresentation of items, ease up the number of different naming conventions use (Malkuth, 'Malkuth', "Malkuth", 2 x Malkuth etc)
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Canthus Prime
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Posted - 2004.10.31 10:45:00 -
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How about a simpler idea,
You can only put a single item in escrow each time but in quantity yes,
The escrow title and description for that item comes directly from the name and description for that item from within game.
All the player needs to do it put cost and availability etc
This would solve 2 problems, misrepresentation of items, ease up the number of different naming conventions use (Malkuth, 'Malkuth', "Malkuth", 2 x Malkuth etc)
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.10.31 11:01:00 -
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There can be no single idea to combat escrow scamming except to make sure everyone inspects the merchandise. Perhaps if the items named were listed on absolute mouseover of the description, this would help stop scamming. Some people are too lazy to inspect the merchandise. To be hoenst, if you're too lazy to inspect the merchandise, you're trusting a guy you've enver met blindly on his word and you deserve everything you get - even if you're scammed.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.10.31 11:01:00 -
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There can be no single idea to combat escrow scamming except to make sure everyone inspects the merchandise. Perhaps if the items named were listed on absolute mouseover of the description, this would help stop scamming. Some people are too lazy to inspect the merchandise. To be hoenst, if you're too lazy to inspect the merchandise, you're trusting a guy you've enver met blindly on his word and you deserve everything you get - even if you're scammed.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2004.10.31 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: DeFood
Unfortunately, if escrow named the item, and thus was confined to single item escrows... then it would loose all differentiability from the market, and people would ask serious questions of CCP why we dont use one interface to do all our buying and selling.
Wait a moment.
CCP, Why dont we use one interface to do all our buying and selling?
think how long the nomal market takes to load. Now think of somebody on 56k. Now think what ti would be like with tons more items on it. Now think what it would be like with every single item in the game on it about 4 times because of named things. 1 word. BoOOO00OOooM
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2004.10.31 13:22:00 -
[48]
Originally by: DeFood
Unfortunately, if escrow named the item, and thus was confined to single item escrows... then it would loose all differentiability from the market, and people would ask serious questions of CCP why we dont use one interface to do all our buying and selling.
Wait a moment.
CCP, Why dont we use one interface to do all our buying and selling?
think how long the nomal market takes to load. Now think of somebody on 56k. Now think what ti would be like with tons more items on it. Now think what it would be like with every single item in the game on it about 4 times because of named things. 1 word. BoOOO00OOooM
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Run and fall or stand in line, in the end what's your's is mine |
Elita
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Posted - 2004.11.01 01:52:00 -
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The biggest problem with escrow scams is not the fact that people fall for them. As many people have stated, it's easy to inspect the item, and you get two opportunities to see what is actually in the escrow and cancel the transaction.
The biggest problem with escrow scams is that there is a limit to the number of items you can see on escrow, and the scams push real items off the visible list.
If someone falls for an escrow scam, that's too bad. It stinks, but they could have avoided it. But I think action should be taken against escrow scammers because they impede the operation of the market.
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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke |
Elita
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Posted - 2004.11.01 01:52:00 -
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The biggest problem with escrow scams is not the fact that people fall for them. As many people have stated, it's easy to inspect the item, and you get two opportunities to see what is actually in the escrow and cancel the transaction.
The biggest problem with escrow scams is that there is a limit to the number of items you can see on escrow, and the scams push real items off the visible list.
If someone falls for an escrow scam, that's too bad. It stinks, but they could have avoided it. But I think action should be taken against escrow scammers because they impede the operation of the market.
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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke |
Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.01 02:21:00 -
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Quote:
Now, our intent is to not actually scam players, so Im thinking the "scams" should be clearly marked as scams in escrow. The attempt is to merely clutter escrow with so many stupid entries that no one can use it at all.
While escrow scamming is not a petitionable offence escrow spamming is. You would likely get a warning for such behavior.
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.01 02:21:00 -
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Quote:
Now, our intent is to not actually scam players, so Im thinking the "scams" should be clearly marked as scams in escrow. The attempt is to merely clutter escrow with so many stupid entries that no one can use it at all.
While escrow scamming is not a petitionable offence escrow spamming is. You would likely get a warning for such behavior.
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Karch
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Posted - 2004.11.01 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kaladryn
Take lab slots for example: the only reason people get away with scamming them is because CCP hasn't added a trade option for them.
Take escrow for example: the only reason people get away with scams here is because CCP has not added a column that shows the actual item.
Tips for the whiners:
When buying a lab slot, get the guy to send a screenshot of the lab slot with your convo set as transparent over some of the slot. If they cant produce this within 5 minutes, dont trade. Simple.
When buying something from escrow, use the option to see what item it is. That is what it is there for. Seriously, people are whining because they have to press the mouse an extra 2 times? You realise how long it will take for the escrow list to load if it displayed ALL the info on the main list??
Scammers only exist because there are too many STUPID PEOPLE out there! Its not a game exploit, its a human exploit, and it has been exploited for thousands of years! People are stupid and will get scammed.
WTS: Tech 2 Common Sense
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Karch
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Posted - 2004.11.01 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kaladryn
Take lab slots for example: the only reason people get away with scamming them is because CCP hasn't added a trade option for them.
Take escrow for example: the only reason people get away with scams here is because CCP has not added a column that shows the actual item.
Tips for the whiners:
When buying a lab slot, get the guy to send a screenshot of the lab slot with your convo set as transparent over some of the slot. If they cant produce this within 5 minutes, dont trade. Simple.
When buying something from escrow, use the option to see what item it is. That is what it is there for. Seriously, people are whining because they have to press the mouse an extra 2 times? You realise how long it will take for the escrow list to load if it displayed ALL the info on the main list??
Scammers only exist because there are too many STUPID PEOPLE out there! Its not a game exploit, its a human exploit, and it has been exploited for thousands of years! People are stupid and will get scammed.
WTS: Tech 2 Common Sense
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Aion Amarra
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Posted - 2004.11.01 16:59:00 -
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Mh, I somewhat agree, that the Excrow is cluttered with scams. I don't like that fact. But I don't see what you can really do against them. I would never want to sacrifice the Escrows function of offering multiple items at once.
I found a really cool escrow deal some days ago. 5 Millions; 2 Run BPCs for all the Cruisers of all races, the commonly used frigates, all heavy and cruise missiles and torpedoes including their F.O.F. variants (- the explosive damage ones), heavy Combat Drones, Medium interceptors, 425mm Rails, Mega Beam and Megapulse lasers, 1/10/100MN MWD/AB and some more estuff I can't recall. Totals up to 82 PBCs, most of them very well researched. Except the ships all of them max run. You can't tell me, that you would have gotten that much stuff for a that low price, if you bought each of them seperately. And you'd probably have to do a lot more of jumping around too.
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Aion Amarra
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Posted - 2004.11.01 16:59:00 -
[56]
Mh, I somewhat agree, that the Excrow is cluttered with scams. I don't like that fact. But I don't see what you can really do against them. I would never want to sacrifice the Escrows function of offering multiple items at once.
I found a really cool escrow deal some days ago. 5 Millions; 2 Run BPCs for all the Cruisers of all races, the commonly used frigates, all heavy and cruise missiles and torpedoes including their F.O.F. variants (- the explosive damage ones), heavy Combat Drones, Medium interceptors, 425mm Rails, Mega Beam and Megapulse lasers, 1/10/100MN MWD/AB and some more estuff I can't recall. Totals up to 82 PBCs, most of them very well researched. Except the ships all of them max run. You can't tell me, that you would have gotten that much stuff for a that low price, if you bought each of them seperately. And you'd probably have to do a lot more of jumping around too.
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Archonan
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Posted - 2004.11.01 17:06:00 -
[57]
Let me get this straight...
In Exodus, they will limit the number of buy orders you can have, using skills to improve the limit, but there is no limit for Escrow?
Maybe a "simple" (obviously, I'm not a CCP dev, so I really don't assume it is simple) solution would be to limit the number of escrow sales you can make the same way as they are implementing buy order restrictions.
If a scammer (another form of pirateering?) chooses to falsely advertise an item in escrow, fine, but he can only have 5 at a time. Also, and this would cut down on flooding of escrow, have penalties for items on escrow that don't sell. If escrow were to have a skill-limited amount of auctions per player, you could provide a penalty for auctioneers that put junk in escrow, or attempt to escrow items for extreme-overmarket prices. For example...I escrow a BS for 200 mill. Obviously, nobody will buy this escrow (ouch if you do). Place a penalty on the auctioneer that if an item ends without selling, they lose one of their auction "slots" for a duration equal to the duration of the auction that just ended. In this scenario, I have skill for 5 auctions at a time. The 200 mill. BS auction ends, after a 1 month period. Since the item didn't sell, for the next month, I can only have 4 active auctions at at time. After the month ends, I am allowed to have 5 again.
Anyway, penalty seems stiff, but I digress.
Cheers
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Archonan
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Posted - 2004.11.01 17:06:00 -
[58]
Let me get this straight...
In Exodus, they will limit the number of buy orders you can have, using skills to improve the limit, but there is no limit for Escrow?
Maybe a "simple" (obviously, I'm not a CCP dev, so I really don't assume it is simple) solution would be to limit the number of escrow sales you can make the same way as they are implementing buy order restrictions.
If a scammer (another form of pirateering?) chooses to falsely advertise an item in escrow, fine, but he can only have 5 at a time. Also, and this would cut down on flooding of escrow, have penalties for items on escrow that don't sell. If escrow were to have a skill-limited amount of auctions per player, you could provide a penalty for auctioneers that put junk in escrow, or attempt to escrow items for extreme-overmarket prices. For example...I escrow a BS for 200 mill. Obviously, nobody will buy this escrow (ouch if you do). Place a penalty on the auctioneer that if an item ends without selling, they lose one of their auction "slots" for a duration equal to the duration of the auction that just ended. In this scenario, I have skill for 5 auctions at a time. The 200 mill. BS auction ends, after a 1 month period. Since the item didn't sell, for the next month, I can only have 4 active auctions at at time. After the month ends, I am allowed to have 5 again.
Anyway, penalty seems stiff, but I digress.
Cheers
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Kojee
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Posted - 2004.11.01 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kojee on 01/11/2004 18:16:30
Even though EVE is a game, a lot of it mimicks real life...i.e., the overall economy of the game. Therefore, I feel that scamming should take on a roll that mimicks that of the real world.
Scamming, in all countries that I'm aware of, often results in some sort of punishment, such as an arrest or a hefty fine. Likewise, scamming in EVE should result in either a large security status decrease...if you are found guilty...or a nice big fine in ISK. It'll give a risk to the scammer, possibly letting them get a thrill from it (lol).
Some sort of punishment should definately be in order...I don't like having to inspect the merchandise of 50+ escrows just to make sure they are indeed legitimate.
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Kojee
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Posted - 2004.11.01 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kojee on 01/11/2004 18:16:30
Even though EVE is a game, a lot of it mimicks real life...i.e., the overall economy of the game. Therefore, I feel that scamming should take on a roll that mimicks that of the real world.
Scamming, in all countries that I'm aware of, often results in some sort of punishment, such as an arrest or a hefty fine. Likewise, scamming in EVE should result in either a large security status decrease...if you are found guilty...or a nice big fine in ISK. It'll give a risk to the scammer, possibly letting them get a thrill from it (lol).
Some sort of punishment should definately be in order...I don't like having to inspect the merchandise of 50+ escrows just to make sure they are indeed legitimate.
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