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Tagami Wasp Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.21 20:38:00 - [61] Originally by: Vrabac Originally by: Tagami Wasp You fail to mention that you used Rage missiles Rage hams are useless. No one should ever use them. 180 meter explosion radius I mean wtf! 855 brutix on the other hand is very realistic ship that works great in just about any imaginable scenario and the number is so realistic and so not pulled out of anyone's ass. Really those clueless people preaching on forums are annoying, aren't they? Well, if he using Rage for all situations, I can honor tank, eh, can't I?
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.10.21 20:41:00 - [62] Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 21/10/2009 20:42:45 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Vrabac Rage hams are useless. No one should ever use them. 180 meter explosion radius I mean wtf! Shoot. Battleships. -Liang Quoting sarcasm detector failure Edit. Gypsio, you too?
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.10.21 20:42:00 - [63] Originally by: Vrabac Originally by: Tagami Wasp You fail to mention that you used Rage missiles Rage hams are useless. No one should ever use them. 180 meter explosion radius I mean wtf! 855 brutix on the other hand is very realistic ship that works great in just about any imaginable scenario and the number is so realistic and so not pulled out of anyone's ass. Really those clueless people preaching on forums are annoying, aren't they? Rage does 100% damage against BCs or larger, and 11% more damage than CN. Look how stupid you are.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.10.21 20:43:00 - [64] Apparently the sarcasm was too subtle. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Kazang Gallente Wrecking Shots	Posted - 2009.10.21 20:44:00 - [65] Originally by: Tagami Wasp Where those guys using implants and boosters end up is saying that if they shoot a bow while standing on one foot, blindfolded and whistling to tune "A", they will kill that Dragon with one shot. Pretty sure the dragon would call shenanigans on that one. But dragons are blatantly overpowered and need a nerf so it it about evens out i guess. Kazang
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2009.10.21 20:45:00 - [66] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 21/10/2009 20:46:00 Here, let me do it for you (build another BC to compete with the Drake you suggested, that is). [Harbinger, 1600 Pulse Plate (Doesn't Actually Fit)] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Internal Force Field Array I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M [empty high slot] Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 HG Slave set, Ogdin's, G2-Gamma, Pashan's, KMB-8 (I dunno, maybe CCP made a special one that fits in slot 10 just for you because you really needed something that competes with the Drake you suggested). Gang Boosted by mindlinked Damnation. Deals 837 [email protected] / 700 DPS@20km, has 118K EHP -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.10.21 20:46:00 - [67] Originally by: Gypsio III Look how stupid you are. Me?
prefectro Minmatar tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.21 20:49:00 - [68] - I rarely see posts that say to use expensive officer fits for PVP. - All level 5s should be the baseline everyone uses. Problem is some only use to further their own bias. Like to prove something is weak/strong. - Using lack of experience to say why someone is wrong is a classic Ad Hominem fallacy. Attack the claim, not the person. - I can't trust any person that thinks the drake needs a missile buff when it is currently exploding in popularity in nullsec. I saw no less then 3 drake gangs yesterday.
Caleb Fury Amarr Did I just do that	Posted - 2009.10.21 20:54:00 - [69] Edited by: Caleb Fury on 21/10/2009 20:54:52 Posting to confirm this is indeed an odd thread. I feel like I'm bearing witness to those people who claim their feelings are more important than numbers. Im still a nubbins to Eve. However, I have been given stellar advice and have gleaned useful information from the likes of Liang, Merin, Astro, etc. I realize that we all have our preferences on what we may consider worthwhile to fly in one circumstance or another. It does not change however, that if at least desire to become decent at PvP or the game in general, its not outside the realm of the possible that any skill worth getting is worth getting to 4 if not 5 eventually. I don't possess anywhere near max L5 skills, I only use them as a baseline for bouncing around fittings and tweak to flavor. If there is anything I am sure of, its that I can no safely lump the OP into the same category as Nightmare X and Allen Ramses. Nice troll.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.10.21 20:57:00 - [70] Originally by: Tagami Wasp Originally by: Liang Nuren You responded with some ***ty post about how you can't possibly fit HAMs and 3 BCUs because of both CPU and PG. I responded with the bog ***ing standard HAM Drake fit and included 3% hardwirings and showed that it had 960 DPS and 82K EHP. Come on, show me another BC that has that kind of performance at that range? -Liang You fail to mention that you pulled that 1000 dps out of your ass. You fail to mention that you didn't run the numbers. You fail to mention that you used Rage missiles and said fire them at a BS. You fail to say the numbers suggested a Drake producing 700+ dps @ 20.3 Kms max, that need both a scram and a web to hit. Also you pleasantly forget that there are ships to which it can be compared to, let's say a Brutix that does 855 dps right now in game without any hardwirings. To close this, you fail, because the numbers were based on your suggestion that torpedoes are fine, with which suggestion I agree. However, I tried to add to the conversation, you failed to do so. Originally by: Liang Nuren Ed: Feel free to use HG pirate sets, 5% hardwirings, mindlinked command ships, and boosters BTW. You're going to need it. Why, are you coming after me? AP for HED-GP, jump in on contact. Or somewhere in Provi. so he pulled the number out of his ass then ran the numbers and got 960, pretty good estimate. (quick estimate of my own shows 1010 dps with 3% implants and with 4 bcus) which is way more then any bc, not to mention it still has an EHP advantage almost any other bc, as well as damage and range. and yes I would take a drake (in its current state) over a brutix, for 2 reasons, damage projection, and ehp. it is a little slower the a brutix, and more agile (shield tanked brutix btw) faster and more agile then a plate brutix. and lols good luck getting another bc up to the +40% ham damage drake with ANY fit. ah well w/e

Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.10.21 20:59:00 - [71] sorry =P 169 dead caps caught on video
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:02:00 - [72] Originally by: Vrabac Originally by: Tagami Wasp You fail to mention that you used Rage missiles Rage hams are useless. No one should ever use them. 180 meter explosion radius I mean wtf! 855 brutix on the other hand is very realistic ship that works great in just about any imaginable scenario and the number is so realistic and so not pulled out of anyone's ass. Really those clueless people preaching on forums are annoying, aren't they? zomg 180m that is like the size of a painted cruiser or something!!!!!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:03:00 - [73] Originally by: Sokratesz sorry =P ...awwww, I think you just won the thread.
NoNah	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:07:00 - [74] I sort of miss the days when Liang was the new guy explaining how shield tanks suck and missiles need a boost. How armortanks were superior etc. Anyway, this entire thread is a typical so called "Caldari whine squad" thread. Caldari have grown infamous since a vast number of players pick them expecing cake, get cake but have no clue to identify the cake as such when they get it. Hence they resort to whine about how the game is to hard, how their ships suck and how everyone else is at an advantage. Soon they gain critical mass, people stop to even try since they know caldari suck since everyone said so. And then trolls like this spring up and fuel the furnace even further. As for op, implants are in the game, as such they have to be considered. And reading your later replies I take it you mean figures using a 3% implant are irrelevant, while advocataing a 40% boost? Making balancechanges ignoring implants just means you will have ships that are fine without implants, or without the boost but in conjunction they will be vastly overpowered. Generally implants won't have such a huge impact on things, they will just add an edge. Other than that, I'm not sure what beef you have with slightly more experienced players with a grasp of mechanics and balance trying to help you out(that is why you come here no?) is. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 453288
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:15:00 - [75] Originally by: NoNah I sort of miss the days when Liang was the new guy explaining how shield tanks suck and missiles need a boost. How armortanks were superior etc. Anyway, this entire thread is a typical so called "Caldari whine squad" thread. Caldari have grown infamous since a vast number of players pick them expecing cake, get cake but have no clue to identify the cake as such when they get it. Hence they resort to whine about how the game is to hard, how their ships suck and how everyone else is at an advantage. Soon they gain critical mass, people stop to even try since they know caldari suck since everyone said so. And then trolls like this spring up and fuel the furnace even further. As for op, implants are in the game, as such they have to be considered. And reading your later replies I take it you mean figures using a 3% implant are irrelevant, while advocataing a 40% boost? Making balancechanges ignoring implants just means you will have ships that are fine without implants, or without the boost but in conjunction they will be vastly overpowered. Generally implants won't have such a huge impact on things, they will just add an edge. Other than that, I'm not sure what beef you have with slightly more experienced players with a grasp of mechanics and balance trying to help you out(that is why you come here no?) is. so basically you are saying flying caldari is like feeding a 5 year old gourmet food? ewww it has some green stuff on it I'm not going to eat it!!!!
Tagami Wasp Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:17:00 - [76] Me too, the trolls are winning. I tried to reason, but they are blind to the fact that I asked repeatedly for them to propose a different suggestion to the scaling I proposed. Instead, the only thing that they can say is NOT this, NOT that, blah blah blah use implants... blah blah... do as I say.. rable rable...FOTM I offered a reasoning, based on the rest of the weapon systems, but they are saying that there is no underlying design for missiles. That they are a haphazard collection of stats. That probably means that I need to wait for Dominion to laugh in their face with the new projectiles. I just hope none of these guys holds a critical post in any organization that affects me. I just wish CCP nerfs the Drake to hell and back, and all Caldari missile boats to the ground. I'll just train Minmatar and get a Vaga, as everyone keeps telling me I should instead of trying to make missile boats work.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:22:00 - [77] Originally by: Tagami Wasp Me too, the trolls are winning. I tried to reason, but they are blind to the fact that I asked repeatedly for them to propose a different suggestion to the scaling I proposed. Instead, the only thing that they can say is NOT this, NOT that, blah blah blah use implants... blah blah... do as I say.. rable rable...FOTM I offered a reasoning, based on the rest of the weapon systems, but they are saying that there is no underlying design for missiles. That they are a haphazard collection of stats. That probably means that I need to wait for Dominion to laugh in their face with the new projectiles. I just hope none of these guys holds a critical post in any organization that affects me. I just wish CCP nerfs the Drake to hell and back, and all Caldari missile boats to the ground. I'll just train Minmatar and get a Vaga, as everyone keeps telling me I should instead of trying to make missile boats work. Cool story bro. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:25:00 - [78] Originally by: NoNah I sort of miss the days when Liang was the new guy explaining how shield tanks suck and missiles need a boost. How armortanks were superior etc. Yeah, I remember that. Then I said the Drake was overpowered because it was so much better than my Myrm under sentry fire and passive tanking needed nerfed Good memories, and definitely a worthwhile journey to have made. Experiencing the game from so many perspectives! -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Caleb Fury Amarr Did I just do that	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:29:00 - [79] Is Ushra' Kahn a decent PvP outfit? One bad apple....
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:33:00 - [80] Originally by: Caleb Fury Is Ushra' Kahn a decent PvP outfit? One bad apple.... Butter Dog is strike two. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit

Tagami Wasp Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:33:00 - [81] Originally by: Caleb Fury Is Ushra' Kahn a decent PvP outfit? One bad apple.... Nope, we are worse than lolKIA, and not engage in PvP at all. Nothing to see here, just carebears.
Burizmali	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:37:00 - [82] Originally by: Tagami Wasp rable rable... You managed to sum up all your posts with two words! A very nice thing to do, saves a lot of reading time.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:38:00 - [83] Originally by: Tagami Wasp Originally by: Caleb Fury Is Ushra' Kahn a decent PvP outfit? One bad apple.... Nope, we are worse than lolKIA, and not engage in PvP at all. Nothing to see here, just carebears. This is a completely serious question: what do you guys do other than harass cva? Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:38:00 - [84] Edited by: Vrabac on 21/10/2009 21:38:05 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton zomg 180m that is like the size of a painted cruiser or something!!!!! Oh man you shouldn't like shoot that into anything, not even webbed and painted supercaps!!!!! Oh snap supercaps can't be webbed or painted!!!!!
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:45:00 - [85] Tbh I think rages should get like 40% boost in damage to offset this and reduce explosion radius to 50m and increase velocity to some 1000m/s so I can get those ABing AFs that I can't web because i mean LOL who fits tackle on drake, also pls reduce cost of t2 purgers and introduce faction SPRs. Now let's see who gets caught.
Pater Peccavi Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.10.21 22:25:00 - [86] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Pater Peccavi That said, I'm not a huge fan of S&M, pain's a real turnoff for me. compared with what I posted before in S&M (this being some... 2 years ago or so? even then it sucked like hell), I am actually posting quite less. I remember when you could actually have a nice discussion here without anyone throwing a banana peel and a trout at you. granted that the fault lies mostly on the guys that think it's ok to fit plates/shield extenders in a carrier or do officer fits in EFT and scream OMG OVERPOWERED!, or to slam dual tanking in a ship. sometimes you can still have a somewhat meaningful discussion discussion here, but things went **** up when the bar was lowered. That part of my post wasn't referring to Ships and Modules _________
Oneiros IV Stella Polaris.	Posted - 2009.10.21 22:34:00 - [87] Edited by: Oneiros IV on 21/10/2009 22:35:50 There's 1 sure way to find eft warrior it's t2 ogres, i.e. high dps ships that got no chance of delivering it in practical situation
NoNah	Posted - 2009.10.21 22:37:00 - [88] Originally by: Oneiros IV There's 1 sure way to find eft warrior it's t2 ogres Hows that? I use ogres on most of my setups. In fact, I tend to bring t2 ammo aswell even if not alone. And technically, I've done so for far longer than EFT even existed, does that make me innovative? Did I set the name for the tool? Parrots, commence! Postcount: 451245
Gneeznow Minmatar Ship spinners inc	Posted - 2009.10.21 23:02:00 - [89] Originally by: Liang Nuren I BTW, Gneez: <3 you make me laugh. I virtually never see you post anything I strongly disagree with - so I'm really curious what you think I'm so wrong about. I'm thinking that it has to be my complaint about Lasers vs Everything else. But, I can understand why people get all defensive there. -Liang I dont disagree with you because I dont have all day free to argue without you in circles about the finer points of a bloody videogame, just look at your own posts in this thread, like 10 posts and one was longer than my monitor could fit on screen at once, how many hours a day do you spend posting on eve-o? it must be a good 8 to 10 hours a day Originally by: AstroPhobic Edited by: AstroPhobic on 21/10/2009 17:54:54 Originally by: Gneeznow OP's right I barely read the ships and modules forum anymore because of prolific know-it-alls like liang and astrophobic who write massive walls of tl;dr text that just make me facepalm about how far people take this videogame actually, isnt it about time liang ragequits loudly again to the tune of about 500 posts about how fed up he is with eve and how its going I rarely write walls of text outside of minmatar balancing topics. I don't even respond to minnie topics anymore, just read. I don't know why you have a personal agenda against me Gneez. Most of the time I lurk or just post when I think it's helpful. ed: more OT though, all level 5 is a baseline. It's understood you won't actually have all level 5, but it's expected for someone to be reasonably skilled unless otherwise stated. I dont have a personal agenda against you I just find prolific ****posters annoying and I've had to read through 3 years of you crying about minmatar in practically every thread about a minmatar ship on this forum, its like every time I glance at ships and modules (which is less and less these days) there's your name and OH WHAT A SURPRISE astrophopic is crying about minmatar again now dont get me wrong, minmatar could use some love atm which they are getting, and I did agree with a lot of the stuff you said, its the 3 years of whining and whinging and 50 posts a day which I dont like oh yeah, and liang plase stop signing every stupid post I can read your name to the left of the god damn screen
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2009.10.21 23:34:00 - [90] Originally by: Gneeznow I dont disagree with you because I dont have all day free to argue without you in circles about the finer points of a bloody videogame, just look at your own posts in this thread, like 10 posts and one was longer than my monitor could fit on screen at once, how many hours a day do you spend posting on eve-o? it must be a good 8 to 10 hours a day Much less, actually. I generally spend ~3-4 minutes on any given post - sometimes less, sometimes more. It's funny but on the days where I spend a lot of time posting I generally post less because each post is much more detailed. I'd say I spend no more than 1-2 hours of "Eve-O" time total per day - just spread over the whole day. Quote: I've had to read through 3 years [of balance complaints] You know it'd be nice if there weren't so many balance problems - and honestly the pickin's gettin pretty slim out there. With the minmatar boost, I'm pretty hesitant to go whining about Minnies... and it's an indirect boost to blasters. I'm kinda withholding further complaints until I see how things turn out. The arty changes are nice, but really pigeon-hole artillery into small gang combat (or will require pretty hefty reworking of what I've seen of fleet warfare). The AC changes are nice too - but won't affect kiting (which Minnies truthfully do pretty well). I'm -1 to nerfing anything ATM (including lasers). I guess I can complain about the tier system or something, or maybe just give fitting advice. Quote: 3 years of whining and whinging and 50 posts a day which I dont like Average of 15-20 posts even for me. Quote: oh yeah, and liang plase stop signing every stupid post I can read your name to the left of the god damn screen So sorry. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org



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