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fukier
Gallente
The Unpodable Supermen
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.10.22 23:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Raivi
I hate to break it to you, but by the time the PR- camp started PL already had 95%+ of the r64 moons we have now. But that's fine, keep thinking that it takes a huge cap fleet and unlimited money to take moongoo from the big guys, it's a lot easier for us to defend them when everybody's too afraid to try.
say if thats true then cool beans m8... though for the ones in delve, were they taken before or after the bob-reset? if after then you are right it does not take unlimited money to take them... all it takes is a Haargoth...
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Jogyn
Minmatar
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.23 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jogyn on 23/10/2009 00:14:24
Im with the op on this one.
Back in the day i used to own the Anja dyspro moon back before the 2nd delve war, times were good and I was making HUGE ammount of isks.
Then i forgot to fuel it, and all the guns went offline. So Shadoo~ got mad and took my moon and gave it to xxxangelx!
Clearly the devs should do something about this, and limit the ammount of r64 angel can own when i got none at all.
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StainLessStealRat
Caldari
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.10.23 01:00:00 -
[63]
You want to take a moon with a cov ops?
I guess thats fair that we need a 150+ dread fleet too do the same.
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ThaDollaGenerale
Caldari
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.23 03:09:00 -
[64]
Originally by: fukier
say if thats true then cool beans m8... though for the ones in delve, were they taken before or after the bob-reset? if after then you are right it does not take unlimited money to take them... all it takes is a Haargoth...
Hah. If it's not one thing to whine about it's another. Keep being inconsequential.
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fukier
Gallente
The Unpodable Supermen
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.10.23 03:26:00 -
[65]
Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
Originally by: fukier
say if thats true then cool beans m8... though for the ones in delve, were they taken before or after the bob-reset? if after then you are right it does not take unlimited money to take them... all it takes is a Haargoth...
Hah. If it's not one thing to whine about it's another. Keep being inconsequential.
Good burn dude  thanks for the egotistic, pompous, presumptuous, and overbearing roast
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Manterror
Gallente
Fuzzy Duck Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.23 07:03:00 -
[66]
SERIOUS POST
to the OP:
Firstly, despite the massive amounds of sarcasm, alot of these guys are right. They too started where you are now, dont ever forget that.
Secondly, this is EvE. If you want to acheve (did you see that!?!) anything in this game you have to be proactive about it. Its like real-life...if you want a job, you cant just **** around through school and university and get an awesome job...you gotta be motivated.
1) Form an alliance with other lowsec corporations and take moons by force.
2) Scout for moons owned by smaller alliances/corps and get all the intel you can on them. Then when you are satisfied with the information, make a decision whether to wardec them or not.
3) Join a large alliance with good moons who can offer you one.
I dont believe you worked your butt off *as a corp* for all those years. Ive only had my corp for just over a month and with some *mild* effort we have managed to achieve a bit. If by working hard you mean every corp member has been working hard at mining and sell ore for their own gain then yea id believe that.
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Mark Hadden
Amarr
Intergalactic Serenity
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2009.10.23 07:38:00 -
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what should the devs do about that? And, another question, why should they do something at all for a sandbox advertised game?
Sometimes, the moons are hold by alt-corps of the mentioned big alliances, so as soon as devs would put some restriction on how many moons a corp/ally may hold, they would just create another alt-corp for that job.
A bigger blob of people is simply a bigger blob of people, which would still bust your ass into hell for these moons. But, wait for dominion, I think the moons and their minerals will be devalued finally(i hope so).
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Veinnail
Caldari
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.10.23 08:38:00 -
[68]
good laughs ITT, great nn reading ;)
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Kulat
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.23 11:31:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Kulat on 23/10/2009 11:31:53
Resources belong to the strongest with the most guns . That is true in RL and Eve , In Eve we are just a bit more honest about it.
There is no such thing as fair in either Eve or Life .
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Triest
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.23 13:44:00 -
[70]
Originally by: fukier
say if thats true then cool beans m8... though for the ones in delve, were they taken before or after the bob-reset? if after then you are right it does not take unlimited money to take them... all it takes is a Haargoth...
This was already answered. We took the moons in the first Delve campaign, long before any alliance disbanding hanky panky (which happened considerably later, launching the second delve campaign).
Here are two scenarios for contesting R64s that might be illustrative of the reason there's some chestbeating going on ITT:
Scenario 1: A small, poor, but plucky alliance moves into a new region, controlled by a powerful, rich, large alliance. The latter are spread out, though, and don't really use the region outside of passive income sources like the R64 moons. The plucky alliance starts hitting those moons, and initially, the controlling alliance responds with overwhelming force, carrier and subcapital fleets to repair the towers, occasionally ambushing the small alliance's fleets. Later, the response gets smaller and smaller, and eventually moons switch hands. Those are usually contested again, and sometimes lost, but the overall result is that the small alliance is able to be annoying and persistent enough to rip away some income from the bigger alliance. This in turn might provide capitals and other support to take more moons, or defend the ones held already, etc.
Scenario 2: A small, but plucky alliance lives in a region where they're the primary power, or there is no controlling entity. One day, a big, rich alliance comes in and takes every good moon in the region, with overwhelming force. Maybe they have 50+ dreadnoughts, and multiple titans. The small alliance doesn't have the resources to fight back, so they don't. For the next year or two, the small alliance doesn't once try and take any of the moons back, because the big alliance would overwhelm them, despite being occupied elsewhere and not living remotely nearby. Eventually, members summon the courage to post on EVE-O about how all the good R64s are claimed and the system is unfair.
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Tag Ibby
Minmatar
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.10.23 13:44:00 -
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I am so discouraged now, I was so sure that once we got Obama into office all this would change, wheres my r64!?
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McKinlay
Caldari
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.23 13:52:00 -
[72]
It's actually easier to take R64's than you might think.
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R0ot
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.23 14:00:00 -
[73]
Originally by: McKinlay
It's actually easier to take R64's than you might think.
Very easy to lose them also.... 
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DrMaddog
Minmatar
Unknown Soldiers
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.10.23 14:17:00 -
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The only thing I got from the OP was if you complain enough and want hard enough then you should have. Its sad that mothers continue to breast feed kids till a rather later stage in their life. Or get school paid for by someone, or have things done for by the influence of who they know.
These people are how ever comical in real life kind of make me sad how they believe real life operates in such a manor.
+1 sympathy to the OP for going his whole life being given things
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Shinma Apollo
Caldari
Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2009.10.23 15:41:00 -
[75]
The secret to taking R64s is persistence kill john conner.
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fukier
Gallente
The Unpodable Supermen
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.10.23 18:24:00 -
[76]
Edited by: fukier on 23/10/2009 18:25:36
Originally by: Triest
This was already answered. We took the moons in the first Delve campaign, long before any alliance disbanding hanky panky (which happened considerably later, launching the second delve campaign). Quote:
WOW! bob was stupid for not taking back those moons(after 1st delve war)... they should have taken them back instead of going with thier whole MAX DPS campain.... or you guys keept the moons due to some armistice deal?
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Eltyron
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.23 18:42:00 -
[77]
Originally by: fukier
WOW! bob was stupid for not taking back those moons(after 1st delve war)... they should have taken them back instead of going with thier whole MAX DPS campain.... or you guys keept the moons due to some armistice deal?
For someone who is making comments about history they don't even know, you're pretty stupid.
+1 Arrogance.
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fukier
Gallente
The Unpodable Supermen
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.10.23 18:58:00 -
[78]
Edited by: fukier on 23/10/2009 18:59:22
Originally by: Eltyron
Originally by: fukier
WOW! bob was stupid for not taking back those moons(after 1st delve war)... they should have taken them back instead of going with thier whole MAX DPS campain.... or you guys keept the moons due to some armistice deal?
For someone who is making comments about history they don't even know, you're pretty stupid.
+1 Arrogance.
enlighten me then... i am ignorant...
as far as i recall the first war stopped when goons could not take nol...
which one of your guys said they were taken during the 1st war so i am assuming this was the time they were taken? or was he talking about bob's low sec moons?
its awesome that you guys are uber enough to have taken so many moons...
and i think the story behind it is interesting...
no need to be a diick about it 
Remember Your Hell Is Someone Else's Heaven
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fukier
Gallente
The Unpodable Supermen
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.10.23 19:11:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Triest
Originally by: fukier
say if thats true then cool beans m8... though for the ones in delve, were they taken before or after the bob-reset? if after then you are right it does not take unlimited money to take them... all it takes is a Haargoth...
This was already answered. We took the moons in the first Delve campaign, long before any alliance disbanding hanky panky (which happened considerably later, launching the second delve campaign).
Here are two scenarios for contesting R64s that might be illustrative of the reason there's some chestbeating going on ITT:
Scenario 1: A small, poor, but plucky alliance moves into a new region, controlled by a powerful, rich, large alliance. The latter are spread out, though, and don't really use the region outside of passive income sources like the R64 moons. The plucky alliance starts hitting those moons, and initially, the controlling alliance responds with overwhelming force, carrier and subcapital fleets to repair the towers, occasionally ambushing the small alliance's fleets. Later, the response gets smaller and smaller, and eventually moons switch hands. Those are usually contested again, and sometimes lost, but the overall result is that the small alliance is able to be annoying and persistent enough to rip away some income from the bigger alliance. This in turn might provide capitals and other support to take more moons, or defend the ones held already, etc.
Scenario 2: A small, but plucky alliance lives in a region where they're the primary power, or there is no controlling entity. One day, a big, rich alliance comes in and takes every good moon in the region, with overwhelming force. Maybe they have 50+ dreadnoughts, and multiple titans. The small alliance doesn't have the resources to fight back, so they don't. For the next year or two, the small alliance doesn't once try and take any of the moons back, because the big alliance would overwhelm them, despite being occupied elsewhere and not living remotely nearby. Eventually, members summon the courage to post on EVE-O about how all the good R64s are claimed and the system is unfair.
so basically you are option 1...
this big powerfull alliance was Bruce?
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Scatim Helicon
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.23 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: fukier
bob was stupid
At last you understand.
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Cippalippus Primus
Caldari
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.23 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: fukier
enlighten me then... i am ignorant...
as far as i recall the first war stopped when goons could not take nol...
which one of your guys said they were taken during the 1st war so i am assuming this was the time they were taken? or was he talking about bob's low sec moons?
its awesome that you guys are uber enough to have taken so many moons...
and i think the story behind it is interesting...
no need to be a diick about it
There are a few theories about it.
The first is that BoB was too arrogant to consider PL a threat and just let those moons be, to be retaken when actually needed.
The second is that BoB didn't attack PL in Fountain because they thought they could get fights at a later time.
The third is that BoB didn't attack Fountain because they were tired after the Delve War.
The fourth is that BoB didn't want to have blues in Fountain because they believed that the region was too hard to keep under control, and installing vassals would backfire if they were left alone to die (Fountain has a few dedicated roamers/griefers and they're good at what they do, sup GK). They then decided to consolidate Delve/Period Basis and the fact that they bothered little with fortifying Querious tells that the core of a BoB defense would've always been Delve, and rightly so because Querious has 4 important systems and the rest has little strategic value.
The fifth is that BoB was planning MAX and didn't want to start a war during the summer, skipping Fountain altogether to go play with the NC.
Personally, I think it's a bit of all.
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AthlonJedi
Gallente
RazorBlade Smile Inc.
G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E
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Posted - 2009.10.23 23:21:00 -
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Anyone that has had any dealings with the OP in the past knows his idea of "Busting his ass" is continuously comming up with excuse after excuse as to why his corp cant move to 0.0 and set up poses immediatly after claiming to live in Razor space for more than 3 yrs.
and if you are gonna rant about getting kicked out of an alliance, atleast tell the truth about why you were removed from said alliance.You were removed for A. the aformentioned excuse after excuse after excuse...rant...complain kick the dog, excuse, go offline for 3 mo , comback, then once showing up in fountain after arguement after argument, FAIL pvp, death distruction, "what is anyone going to do about these reds in system chasing me? ", " isnt PL or SOT gonna help kill these guys?" emo rage excuse.
And you people think Im fail? this guy is fail basted in FAIL SAUCE on a side of fail.
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Dark Violater
Amarr
Alpann Siad Anam
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Posted - 2009.10.23 23:44:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Fred0
Welcome to EVE dude
heh wouldnt you love it to stay that way
is that a bit of sweat on your brow ?
Originally by: Gyle
CCP isn't about to calve up new Eden so every carebear gets its fair share.
and yet with dominion they show a tendency to head that direction
Originally by: Triest
We took them in Delve from BoB, and we certainly didn't use dreads. It was 30 people in Armageddons.
you honestly believe this is possible in Eve now with the proliferation of cap ships ? they could bring 200 BS for days on end and every day you would have a larger fleet with bigger ships.
Originally by: Raivi
I hate to break it to you, but by the time the PR- camp started PL already had 95%+ of the r64 moons we have now. But that's fine, keep thinking that it takes a huge cap fleet and unlimited money to take moongoo from the big guys, it's a lot easier for us to defend them when everybody's too afraid to try.
you can pat yourself on the back all day but the fact is you couldn't do it again in the current eve climate.
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Eltyron
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.23 23:59:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Dark Violater
Originally by: Triest
We took them in Delve from BoB, and we certainly didn't use dreads. It was 30 people in Armageddons.
you honestly believe this is possible in Eve now with the proliferation of cap ships ? they could bring 200 BS for days on end and every day you would have a larger fleet with bigger ships.
Originally by: Raivi
I hate to break it to you, but by the time the PR- camp started PL already had 95%+ of the r64 moons we have now. But that's fine, keep thinking that it takes a huge cap fleet and unlimited money to take moongoo from the big guys, it's a lot easier for us to defend them when everybody's too afraid to try.
you can pat yourself on the back all day but the fact is you couldn't do it again in the current eve climate.
You win the Master Of The Obvious award.
In case you've missed it, we're talking about when these types of actions "were" possible. I'm sure most people (who actually know how to play the game) agree that this is no longer very feasible, given the entities holding the R64 moons mentality and numbers capability.
Stick with the current time frame people are talking about. Unless you're a BoB alt, who still dreams that they live in Delve and just arse spanked ASCN in a mighty VICTORY.
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AthlonJedi
Gallente
RazorBlade Smile Inc.
G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E
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Posted - 2009.10.24 00:30:00 -
[85]
Oh and speaking of the obvious award, Thanks for telling us where we can look for you, Im really gonna enjoy using your carebear tears to inprove My kill stats ( somehing long over due I might add )and unlike those alliances in high sec that acculy spend isk on war decs to 0.0 alliances, this is low sec / 0.0, No decs needed
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Martinez
Caldari
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.10.24 00:42:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
So I'm an Indy guy, do some pvp on my combat char to but anyway, I have a bit of a rant for you.
I've been playing EvE for the last 4-5 years but I've never really got into Moon mining, Well some research shows it can be very profitable for the Corp/Alliance, after the Grievance issue everyone heard about, Athlon spazzing going mental and basically destroying the alliance.... I could use a bone (Was one of the corps that got screwed).
So I fit up my Anethema and take off with multiple websites and eve maps at my control and dashboard.
I spent 2 days mapping out Moons and pos's searching for a moon that would help jump start my corp and get us into the fast-lane to were we've been trying to get for the last year or so, Busted our asses Not much to show for it in the long run. So I figure hey 200+ mil a day sounds good to me.
First stop is the Aridia Region, I really like this region, So anyway I find out that there are about 6 Dys moons, and about 7-8 Promethium moons More if you count the ones in the close systems right next to the regions entrances and exits.
So I go to each and every single moon containing said minerals and I find every single one is taken by a HUGE alliance which knows who they are but will remain unnamed due to my respect for them. Needless to say I'm a little disapointed that the only moons available are crap and not even worth the POS fuel.
So I move on to the Khanid Region where I find the SAME alliance owns 4/7 of the moons in that region of the same types.
I'll save you all the rest, basically this alliance Owns about 18 Dys moons and 20 promethium moons spread out over 4 regions in lowsec.
And that's not even including their massive 0.0 areas.. That's like 20 billion a day in moon minerals.... I mean.. WoW.
After careful study and search in other regions nearby I find Goon and AAA have some also but not nearly as much as the Unnamed Alliance. I think the average is 10/2 Unnamed/others.
So I head up to Razor space and NC area to check out that stuff, Same situation only it's Razor and WI in the majority.
What I want to know from the devs is why HUGE allainces like this are allowed to own the majority of rare moons in Lowsec when they have all they need in 0.0. It seems a bit unfair to us little guys who bust our ass to make a dime and get nothing for it.
There should be a limit on how many of these rare moons a single corp / Alliance can have, Or take the systems with 150 moons in .1 .2 .3 systems which have 0 on any of their moons and put stuff on them.
So after 2 days of searching and finding nothing I can say I learned a lot about Moon mining and minerals but over all it was a huge waste of time. Everything of any remote value in eve is already taken, Which leaves those of us trying to make it work out of luck.
One of these moons, Just 1 owned by a corp is a free Ride for the rest of the time they play eve as long as they hold it. One moon averages an output of 240 - 350 million ISK a day. (Dys moons, Prom moons are around 150-200 million a day)
I love the unnamed alliance don't get me wrong several of my corpies have mains in it, but seriously guys throw us little guys a bone here please. Do you really need that many moons? in Lowsec? When your Building titans in 0.0 with the same moons up there?
If you have one you can spare in the Aridia region wed love to have it. Would really help us get on our feet to where we need to be to help you all out later on.
Obama can fix this! its nonsense someone in this game has something that another pilot doesnt have. everyone deserves free healthcare and a highend moon.
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Derek Shmawesome
Minmatar
We Know Derek
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Posted - 2009.10.24 09:47:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Dark Violater
Originally by: Gyle
CCP isn't about to calve up new Eden so every carebear gets its fair share.
and yet with dominion they show a tendency to head that direction
Yet Dominion will not result in spineless carebears growing a pair. Your world will still be controlled by the same people that do so now...
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ReConquer
Caldari
Rho Holding Corp
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.24 11:12:00 -
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rho holding corp has a few r64s
come try to take a few from us i dare you 
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Zimi Vlasic
Amarr
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.10.24 15:22:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Aditia Holdem
We have moons?
\o/.... I guess
We don't has any moons. We r fail.
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Torothin
Amarr
Foundation
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.10.24 15:47:00 -
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This post is pointless. To the OP: If you want the high end moons so bad then recruit pilots, buildup your cap fleet, make friends, and take the moons by force. Otherwise stop whining. Your basically asking for a moon to be handed to you on a silver platter. Do you know how many ships are lost for the defence of a dys/prom moon? If you can't hang with the big boys then get out of the kitchen.
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