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Dark Shikari	Posted - 2004.10.31 22:45:00 - [1] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/10/2004 22:55:32 Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/10/2004 22:53:06 Throughout the history of EVE, great alliances have risen and fallen. And now that I'm back after 4 months away from EVE--I notice something--there are too many alliances! What used to be just a couple in the Venal region has exploded and now there are new alliances all over. So here's my question: which one dies next? Honestly it seems like FA may be the next major alliance to go--while they are still powerful they seem far weaker than in the days when m0o laid siege to YZ-LQL and they are losing allies every day it seems (at least BoB is back with them however)... but what really scares me is SA and CA. Both are now the most powerful alliances and they almost seem to be circling over FA like vultures... -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2004.10.31 22:45:00 - [2] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/10/2004 22:55:32 Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/10/2004 22:53:06 Throughout the history of EVE, great alliances have risen and fallen. And now that I'm back after 4 months away from EVE--I notice something--there are too many alliances! What used to be just a couple in the Venal region has exploded and now there are new alliances all over. So here's my question: which one dies next? Honestly it seems like FA may be the next major alliance to go--while they are still powerful they seem far weaker than in the days when m0o laid siege to YZ-LQL and they are losing allies every day it seems (at least BoB is back with them however)... but what really scares me is SA and CA. Both are now the most powerful alliances and they almost seem to be circling over FA like vultures... -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.10.31 22:51:00 - [3] BoB pulled out of FA space, so u might want to alter ur prediction ;D Reverend Necrona
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.10.31 22:51:00 - [4] BoB pulled out of FA space, so u might want to alter ur prediction ;D Reverend Necrona
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2004.10.31 22:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Reverend Necrona BoB pulled out of FA space, so u might want to alter ur prediction ;D They finally did? Phew... at least for FA -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2004.10.31 22:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Reverend Necrona BoB pulled out of FA space, so u might want to alter ur prediction ;D They finally did? Phew... at least for FA -- The best description of alliances, ever:
SageOfMystery	Posted - 2004.10.31 23:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Reverend Necrona BoB pulled out of FA space, so u might want to alter ur prediction ;D They finally did? Phew... at least for FA finally after 14 hours....
SageOfMystery	Posted - 2004.10.31 23:02:00 - [8] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Reverend Necrona BoB pulled out of FA space, so u might want to alter ur prediction ;D They finally did? Phew... at least for FA finally after 14 hours....
Waldorf	Posted - 2004.10.31 23:31:00 - [9] lol :D
Waldorf	Posted - 2004.10.31 23:31:00 - [10] lol :D
Hquesinovium	Posted - 2004.10.31 23:47:00 - [11] Damn, i was hoping to help BoB out kill some more greedy FA... Quote: I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is the victory over self.
Hquesinovium	Posted - 2004.10.31 23:47:00 - [12] Damn, i was hoping to help BoB out kill some more greedy FA... Quote: I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is the victory over self.
fugazii	Posted - 2004.10.31 23:55:00 - [13] fa isnt goin to be the nxt alliance to go, imo thier superior shiva preparedness will once shiva hits make them the most powerfull alliance, ca putting the 20% tax in place is a start for shiva but w/many corps leaving over it they r far behind, sa well the last thing they needed before shiva to hit was the fighting w/celest which hampers thier shiva fund not to mention the constant attacks from ca. xetic has been hit hard by the ca invasions and for extended periods of time not having controll of immensea region, though since before ca they had nvr had ne wars so they r very rich shiva will only make thier power grow. pa isnt gonna find shiva very fun. tps will stay at same power as they hav no full on wars goin. nsa/fu might feel some pressure from the pb pirates but they dont hav the numbers to do ne significant dmg to them. norad they rnt doin to good from internal issues but they hav no alliance wars so they shouldnt be hurting to badly from outside sources its within they should be warry of. jqa theyre jst chillin gettin richer and richer not needing player owned stations cuz theres stations in all thier systems shiva wont pose as much ofa threat to them as ne other givin alliance. all in all the most powerfull alliances imo once shiva comes round will be: 1) fa 2) sa/xetic 3) c4/ca 4) tps 5) fu 6) nsa 7) jqa 8) norad
fugazii	Posted - 2004.10.31 23:55:00 - [14] fa isnt goin to be the nxt alliance to go, imo thier superior shiva preparedness will once shiva hits make them the most powerfull alliance, ca putting the 20% tax in place is a start for shiva but w/many corps leaving over it they r far behind, sa well the last thing they needed before shiva to hit was the fighting w/celest which hampers thier shiva fund not to mention the constant attacks from ca. xetic has been hit hard by the ca invasions and for extended periods of time not having controll of immensea region, though since before ca they had nvr had ne wars so they r very rich shiva will only make thier power grow. pa isnt gonna find shiva very fun. tps will stay at same power as they hav no full on wars goin. nsa/fu might feel some pressure from the pb pirates but they dont hav the numbers to do ne significant dmg to them. norad they rnt doin to good from internal issues but they hav no alliance wars so they shouldnt be hurting to badly from outside sources its within they should be warry of. jqa theyre jst chillin gettin richer and richer not needing player owned stations cuz theres stations in all thier systems shiva wont pose as much ofa threat to them as ne other givin alliance. all in all the most powerfull alliances imo once shiva comes round will be: 1) fa 2) sa/xetic 3) c4/ca 4) tps 5) fu 6) nsa 7) jqa 8) norad
EveJunkie	Posted - 2004.11.01 00:09:00 - [15] I actually think there arent enough allainces. Big allainces are all well and good but it makes for a less intresting political map. IMO it would be more fun if each and every region was controled by a different allaince. There would be more wars and probably smaller blobs. TBH an allaince doesnt really need more than 1 region anyway most of the space is never used, even with the POS in shiva an alliance is unlikely to use all its available space.
EveJunkie	Posted - 2004.11.01 00:09:00 - [16] I actually think there arent enough allainces. Big allainces are all well and good but it makes for a less intresting political map. IMO it would be more fun if each and every region was controled by a different allaince. There would be more wars and probably smaller blobs. TBH an allaince doesnt really need more than 1 region anyway most of the space is never used, even with the POS in shiva an alliance is unlikely to use all its available space.
Arud	Posted - 2004.11.01 00:17:00 - [17] FA, SA and CA are here to stay for good I think, most likely Xetic as well. Their only weakness is falling apart from the inside. The alliances in the north on the other hand are smaller and are alot more likely to fall through outside forces and ofcorse falling apart from the inside is still a possibility.
Arud	Posted - 2004.11.01 00:17:00 - [18] FA, SA and CA are here to stay for good I think, most likely Xetic as well. Their only weakness is falling apart from the inside. The alliances in the north on the other hand are smaller and are alot more likely to fall through outside forces and ofcorse falling apart from the inside is still a possibility.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2004.11.01 00:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Arud FA, SA and CA are here to stay for good I think, most likely Xetic as well. Their only weakness is falling apart from the inside. The alliances in the north on the other hand are smaller and are alot more likely to fall through outside forces and ofcorse falling apart from the inside is still a possibility. Well here's what I see... if SA/CA decide to minimize their own fighting while going after FA... I don't think FA's allies will stay with them... and FA will die. -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2004.11.01 00:32:00 - [20] Originally by: Arud FA, SA and CA are here to stay for good I think, most likely Xetic as well. Their only weakness is falling apart from the inside. The alliances in the north on the other hand are smaller and are alot more likely to fall through outside forces and ofcorse falling apart from the inside is still a possibility. Well here's what I see... if SA/CA decide to minimize their own fighting while going after FA... I don't think FA's allies will stay with them... and FA will die. -- The best description of alliances, ever:
SweatySack	Posted - 2004.11.01 00:39:00 - [21] POS are gona be important but I dont think people realize how vulnerable they will be. You get a squad of 20 BS and that things gone in 45 min or less. Might lose 1...maybe 2 BS to its defenses. Not a bad deal considering a full POS will be a lot more than 200mil to build and maintain.
SweatySack	Posted - 2004.11.01 00:39:00 - [22] POS are gona be important but I dont think people realize how vulnerable they will be. You get a squad of 20 BS and that things gone in 45 min or less. Might lose 1...maybe 2 BS to its defenses. Not a bad deal considering a full POS will be a lot more than 200mil to build and maintain.
Zelota	Posted - 2004.11.01 00:39:00 - [23] sa and ca fighting fa will never hapen.Every body is so focused on killing echoter in the south,no body even takes time to think about any thing.sa come to curse and pop 4 bs curse goes to stain and pops 4 bs and it keeps on going like this all day long.So for get it fa will be the most powerfull alliance in game if they arent stoped Vid of the week
Zelota	Posted - 2004.11.01 00:39:00 - [24] sa and ca fighting fa will never hapen.Every body is so focused on killing echoter in the south,no body even takes time to think about any thing.sa come to curse and pop 4 bs curse goes to stain and pops 4 bs and it keeps on going like this all day long.So for get it fa will be the most powerfull alliance in game if they arent stoped Vid of the week
Leno	Posted - 2004.11.01 00:51:00 - [25] Originally by: SweatySack POS are gona be important but I dont think people realize how vulnerable they will be. You get a squad of 20 BS and that things gone in 45 min or less. Might lose 1...maybe 2 BS to its defenses. Not a bad deal considering a full POS will be a lot more than 200mil to build and maintain. as i recall, they have backup services or whatever after it taken down all the way, that keep the POS up until it is replenished, which can last for quite a long time. --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Leno	Posted - 2004.11.01 00:51:00 - [26] Originally by: SweatySack POS are gona be important but I dont think people realize how vulnerable they will be. You get a squad of 20 BS and that things gone in 45 min or less. Might lose 1...maybe 2 BS to its defenses. Not a bad deal considering a full POS will be a lot more than 200mil to build and maintain. as i recall, they have backup services or whatever after it taken down all the way, that keep the POS up until it is replenished, which can last for quite a long time. --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.11.01 00:52:00 - [27] Edited by: Celticjim on 01/11/2004 00:55:04 This is just spec, but given importance on economics, if any of the purely "manufacturing/mining/trade" corps with a large wallet join with a competent pvp group, it could lead to some interesting possibilities. There would be issues to hash out between the structural components of the corps, but if it could be rectified....it might lead to EveJunkie's wish to have more alliances in game. Unfortunately, I don't really know of any concrete examples CJ (edit) Got the name wrong of the Evolution member.
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.11.01 00:52:00 - [28] Edited by: Celticjim on 01/11/2004 00:55:04 This is just spec, but given importance on economics, if any of the purely "manufacturing/mining/trade" corps with a large wallet join with a competent pvp group, it could lead to some interesting possibilities. There would be issues to hash out between the structural components of the corps, but if it could be rectified....it might lead to EveJunkie's wish to have more alliances in game. Unfortunately, I don't really know of any concrete examples CJ (edit) Got the name wrong of the Evolution member.
Thanit	Posted - 2004.11.01 01:01:00 - [29] I think people severely underestimate the wallet size of the bigger and established pvp corporations out there. I also think those corporations don't mind that at all.
Thanit	Posted - 2004.11.01 01:01:00 - [30] I think people severely underestimate the wallet size of the bigger and established pvp corporations out there. I also think those corporations don't mind that at all.
Mica'lov	Posted - 2004.11.01 01:09:00 - [31] Edited by: Mica'lov on 01/11/2004 01:12:33 Originally by: EveJunkie I actually think there arent enough allainces. Big allainces are all well and good but it makes for a less intresting political map. IMO it would be more fun if each and every region was controled by a different allaince. There would be more wars and probably smaller blobs. TBH an allaince doesnt really need more than 1 region anyway most of the space is never used, even with the POS in shiva an alliance is unlikely to use all its available space. Good point but for certain regions its benificial to claim them IMO take tenal region, crap ore not much there of interest BUT the only access are through venal/branch. Now lets say PA/BOB dropped all claims to tenal and just claimed venal/branch both operate a close border policy (?) and mr joe blog wants to make tenal his new home as no one claims it. Mr Joe blogg would have to travel through venal/branch to arrive at his new home so he would face being shot at by more ppl then normal as a neutral, also maybe making the claimers of venal/branch go to war with them and shoot them out side of venal/branch. So it makes sence for PA/BOB to claim tenal along with venal/branch but other wise yup more alliances would be good IMO. Alt of juduzz
Mica'lov	Posted - 2004.11.01 01:09:00 - [32] Edited by: Mica'lov on 01/11/2004 01:12:33 Originally by: EveJunkie I actually think there arent enough allainces. Big allainces are all well and good but it makes for a less intresting political map. IMO it would be more fun if each and every region was controled by a different allaince. There would be more wars and probably smaller blobs. TBH an allaince doesnt really need more than 1 region anyway most of the space is never used, even with the POS in shiva an alliance is unlikely to use all its available space. Good point but for certain regions its benificial to claim them IMO take tenal region, crap ore not much there of interest BUT the only access are through venal/branch. Now lets say PA/BOB dropped all claims to tenal and just claimed venal/branch both operate a close border policy (?) and mr joe blog wants to make tenal his new home as no one claims it. Mr Joe blogg would have to travel through venal/branch to arrive at his new home so he would face being shot at by more ppl then normal as a neutral, also maybe making the claimers of venal/branch go to war with them and shoot them out side of venal/branch. So it makes sence for PA/BOB to claim tenal along with venal/branch but other wise yup more alliances would be good IMO. Alt of juduzz
Nyk0n	Posted - 2004.11.01 01:14:00 - [33] FA are small, they only hold 1 region (discounting the cfs issue which is still up in the air). If left alone they tend to keep themselves to thereselves, discounting the station issue in cfs space which i think was more of a "oh I want a staion" issue by the corps concerned rather than a FA policy The FA have no dreams of world domination, they are the most frendly allience to outsiders (in that they at least will actully alow peeps into there space, all be it at a cost, to take advantage of the s****s in the area) untill recently they were the only allience to do so that controlled a "closed" area. most still dont. FA are in principle a anti pirate allience (ye there are EX see the keyword there) EX-pirates pirates in some of the corps but they all have ceased there pirate activitys, and as such u are ALOT more likly to get ganked as a "innocent bystander" by FA than by the CA or PA etc etc. G enrally most alliences just wana e left alone with the CA allience being a exception. The CA r the most aggresive allience ingame, they also the biggest. Make no mistake its CA that are the biggest threat to most of eve and there vocalness on the forums in spreading propaganda against the FA distracts against there own power, and twists peoples opinion into the way they want it. Just FYI the internal CA boards links virtully every main forum page they find thats a good properganda opo, so that others can add there usall BS to it The alliences i forsee being around forever r CA SA FA PA (with a name change or 6) Whatever entity EVOL r in at the time Those i doubt will dissapear NORAD XETIC NSA (possibly) If any of the above do break up tho, id thing itd be a name change and a few alteration to the member list anyways. just my 2 isk
Nyk0n	Posted - 2004.11.01 01:14:00 - [34] FA are small, they only hold 1 region (discounting the cfs issue which is still up in the air). If left alone they tend to keep themselves to thereselves, discounting the station issue in cfs space which i think was more of a "oh I want a staion" issue by the corps concerned rather than a FA policy The FA have no dreams of world domination, they are the most frendly allience to outsiders (in that they at least will actully alow peeps into there space, all be it at a cost, to take advantage of the s****s in the area) untill recently they were the only allience to do so that controlled a "closed" area. most still dont. FA are in principle a anti pirate allience (ye there are EX see the keyword there) EX-pirates pirates in some of the corps but they all have ceased there pirate activitys, and as such u are ALOT more likly to get ganked as a "innocent bystander" by FA than by the CA or PA etc etc. G enrally most alliences just wana e left alone with the CA allience being a exception. The CA r the most aggresive allience ingame, they also the biggest. Make no mistake its CA that are the biggest threat to most of eve and there vocalness on the forums in spreading propaganda against the FA distracts against there own power, and twists peoples opinion into the way they want it. Just FYI the internal CA boards links virtully every main forum page they find thats a good properganda opo, so that others can add there usall BS to it The alliences i forsee being around forever r CA SA FA PA (with a name change or 6) Whatever entity EVOL r in at the time Those i doubt will dissapear NORAD XETIC NSA (possibly) If any of the above do break up tho, id thing itd be a name change and a few alteration to the member list anyways. just my 2 isk
slip66	Posted - 2004.11.01 01:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Nyk0n FA are small, they only hold 1 region (discounting the cfs issue which is still up in the air). If left alone they tend to keep themselves to thereselves, discounting the station issue in cfs space which i think was more of a "oh I want a staion" issue by the corps concerned rather than a FA policy The FA have no dreams of world domination, they are the most frendly allience to outsiders (in that they at least will actully alow peeps into there space, all be it at a cost, to take advantage of the s****s in the area) untill recently they were the only allience to do so that controlled a "closed" area. most still dont. FA are in principle a anti pirate allience (ye there are EX see the keyword there) EX-pirates pirates in some of the corps but they all have ceased there pirate activitys, and as such u are ALOT more likly to get ganked as a "innocent bystander" by FA than by the CA or PA etc etc. G enrally most alliences just wana e left alone with the CA allience being a exception. The CA r the most aggresive allience ingame, they also the biggest. Make no mistake its CA that are the biggest threat to most of eve and there vocalness on the forums in spreading propaganda against the FA distracts against there own power, and twists peoples opinion into the way they want it. Just FYI the internal CA boards links virtully every main forum page they find thats a good properganda opo, so that others can add there usall BS to it The alliences i forsee being around forever r CA SA FA PA (with a name change or 6) Whatever entity EVOL r in at the time Those i doubt will dissapear NORAD XETIC NSA (possibly) If any of the above do break up tho, id thing itd be a name change and a few alteration to the member list anyways. just my 2 isk some of your points are dead wrong. FA while having a smaller "claimed region" arent exactly small I've seen some very large blobs... Nor are they just sitting there minding thier own biz. Also Id like to know which CA fourms you read. While yes, you will see someone post about a thread. You are exagerating greatly.
slip66	Posted - 2004.11.01 01:32:00 - [36] Originally by: Nyk0n FA are small, they only hold 1 region (discounting the cfs issue which is still up in the air). If left alone they tend to keep themselves to thereselves, discounting the station issue in cfs space which i think was more of a "oh I want a staion" issue by the corps concerned rather than a FA policy The FA have no dreams of world domination, they are the most frendly allience to outsiders (in that they at least will actully alow peeps into there space, all be it at a cost, to take advantage of the s****s in the area) untill recently they were the only allience to do so that controlled a "closed" area. most still dont. FA are in principle a anti pirate allience (ye there are EX see the keyword there) EX-pirates pirates in some of the corps but they all have ceased there pirate activitys, and as such u are ALOT more likly to get ganked as a "innocent bystander" by FA than by the CA or PA etc etc. G enrally most alliences just wana e left alone with the CA allience being a exception. The CA r the most aggresive allience ingame, they also the biggest. Make no mistake its CA that are the biggest threat to most of eve and there vocalness on the forums in spreading propaganda against the FA distracts against there own power, and twists peoples opinion into the way they want it. Just FYI the internal CA boards links virtully every main forum page they find thats a good properganda opo, so that others can add there usall BS to it The alliences i forsee being around forever r CA SA FA PA (with a name change or 6) Whatever entity EVOL r in at the time Those i doubt will dissapear NORAD XETIC NSA (possibly) If any of the above do break up tho, id thing itd be a name change and a few alteration to the member list anyways. just my 2 isk some of your points are dead wrong. FA while having a smaller "claimed region" arent exactly small I've seen some very large blobs... Nor are they just sitting there minding thier own biz. Also Id like to know which CA fourms you read. While yes, you will see someone post about a thread. You are exagerating greatly.
Naos Zapatero	Posted - 2004.11.01 02:53:00 - [37] Originally by: SweatySack POS are gona be important but I dont think people realize how vulnerable they will be. You get a squad of 20 BS and that things gone in 45 min or less. Might lose 1...maybe 2 BS to its defenses. Not a bad deal considering a full POS will be a lot more than 200mil to build and maintain. I so hope that isnt true SweatySack for the future of the game that is. Although I'm sure you have a better take on it that I do.
Naos Zapatero	Posted - 2004.11.01 02:53:00 - [38] Originally by: SweatySack POS are gona be important but I dont think people realize how vulnerable they will be. You get a squad of 20 BS and that things gone in 45 min or less. Might lose 1...maybe 2 BS to its defenses. Not a bad deal considering a full POS will be a lot more than 200mil to build and maintain. I so hope that isnt true SweatySack for the future of the game that is. Although I'm sure you have a better take on it that I do.
Specops	Posted - 2004.11.01 02:58:00 - [39] Originally by: Nyk0n FA are small, they only hold 1 region (discounting the cfs issue which is still up in the air). If left alone they tend to keep themselves to thereselves, discounting the station issue in cfs space which i think was more of a "oh I want a staion" issue by the corps concerned rather than a FA policy The FA have no dreams of world domination, they are the most frendly allience to outsiders (in that they at least will actully alow peeps into there space, all be it at a cost, to take advantage of the s****s in the area) untill recently they were the only allience to do so that controlled a "closed" area. most still dont. FA are in principle a anti pirate allience (ye there are EX see the keyword there) EX-pirates pirates in some of the corps but they all have ceased there pirate activitys, and as such u are ALOT more likly to get ganked as a "innocent bystander" by FA than by the CA or PA etc etc. G enrally most alliences just wana e left alone with the CA allience being a exception. The CA r the most aggresive allience ingame, they also the biggest. Make no mistake its CA that are the biggest threat to most of eve and there vocalness on the forums in spreading propaganda against the FA distracts against there own power, and twists peoples opinion into the way they want it. Just FYI the internal CA boards links virtully every main forum page they find thats a good properganda opo, so that others can add there usall BS to it The alliences i forsee being around forever r CA SA FA PA (with a name change or 6) Whatever entity EVOL r in at the time Those i doubt will dissapear NORAD XETIC NSA (possibly) If any of the above do break up tho, id thing itd be a name change and a few alteration to the member list anyways. just my 2 isk Well XETIC is over a year old now and weve survived a war with SA and CA :) ~Specops~
Specops	Posted - 2004.11.01 02:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Nyk0n FA are small, they only hold 1 region (discounting the cfs issue which is still up in the air). If left alone they tend to keep themselves to thereselves, discounting the station issue in cfs space which i think was more of a "oh I want a staion" issue by the corps concerned rather than a FA policy The FA have no dreams of world domination, they are the most frendly allience to outsiders (in that they at least will actully alow peeps into there space, all be it at a cost, to take advantage of the s****s in the area) untill recently they were the only allience to do so that controlled a "closed" area. most still dont. FA are in principle a anti pirate allience (ye there are EX see the keyword there) EX-pirates pirates in some of the corps but they all have ceased there pirate activitys, and as such u are ALOT more likly to get ganked as a "innocent bystander" by FA than by the CA or PA etc etc. G enrally most alliences just wana e left alone with the CA allience being a exception. The CA r the most aggresive allience ingame, they also the biggest. Make no mistake its CA that are the biggest threat to most of eve and there vocalness on the forums in spreading propaganda against the FA distracts against there own power, and twists peoples opinion into the way they want it. Just FYI the internal CA boards links virtully every main forum page they find thats a good properganda opo, so that others can add there usall BS to it The alliences i forsee being around forever r CA SA FA PA (with a name change or 6) Whatever entity EVOL r in at the time Those i doubt will dissapear NORAD XETIC NSA (possibly) If any of the above do break up tho, id thing itd be a name change and a few alteration to the member list anyways. just my 2 isk Well XETIC is over a year old now and weve survived a war with SA and CA :) ~Specops~
Zen Later	Posted - 2004.11.01 03:00:00 - [41] Originally by: EveJunkie I actually think there arent enough allainces. Big allainces are all well and good but it makes for a less intresting political map. IMO it would be more fun if each and every region was controled by a different allaince. There would be more wars and probably smaller blobs. TBH an allaince doesnt really need more than 1 region anyway most of the space is never used, even with the POS in shiva an alliance is unlikely to use all its available space. Me agrees with dude from EVOL...and then thumps head against desk . I agree with what you are saying though...and we may actually see this happen. If the promised changes to 0.0 happen IMHO you're going to see a massive rethink on territory control by the current alliances. Then again...when you look at other MMO's, a lot of them divide down the narrow 2 political lines...meaning there ends up being 2 major alliances. Think how boring ass Eve would be if there were only 2 major alliances claiming half of Eve space and constantly at war for some lame reason or another .
Zen Later	Posted - 2004.11.01 03:00:00 - [42] Originally by: EveJunkie I actually think there arent enough allainces. Big allainces are all well and good but it makes for a less intresting political map. IMO it would be more fun if each and every region was controled by a different allaince. There would be more wars and probably smaller blobs. TBH an allaince doesnt really need more than 1 region anyway most of the space is never used, even with the POS in shiva an alliance is unlikely to use all its available space. Me agrees with dude from EVOL...and then thumps head against desk . I agree with what you are saying though...and we may actually see this happen. If the promised changes to 0.0 happen IMHO you're going to see a massive rethink on territory control by the current alliances. Then again...when you look at other MMO's, a lot of them divide down the narrow 2 political lines...meaning there ends up being 2 major alliances. Think how boring ass Eve would be if there were only 2 major alliances claiming half of Eve space and constantly at war for some lame reason or another .
Taz Devlin	Posted - 2004.11.01 09:41:00 - [43] The only way for Xetic to fall would be the following things to happen... Solar Wind & Omega Corp hug each other and let by gones be by gones. Tyrell corp get heavily medicated and accidentaly sign a peace treaty with whole of CA. Trigger & XirtamVOTF have a baby together. Zelota & Bared take typing instructions and fall in love. Hmm... after reading this again, there just might be a snowballs chance in hell. What do you think? Allways move fast, you never know who's catching up!
Taz Devlin	Posted - 2004.11.01 09:41:00 - [44] The only way for Xetic to fall would be the following things to happen... Solar Wind & Omega Corp hug each other and let by gones be by gones. Tyrell corp get heavily medicated and accidentaly sign a peace treaty with whole of CA. Trigger & XirtamVOTF have a baby together. Zelota & Bared take typing instructions and fall in love. Hmm... after reading this again, there just might be a snowballs chance in hell. What do you think? Allways move fast, you never know who's catching up!
Drilla	Posted - 2004.11.01 10:06:00 - [45] Taz - if the icelandic viking takes lessons I'm willing to give all the other things up :D No seriously - I dont get why people hold a grudge, most of the old players are gone from EVE anyways. yarr - * pure moinage *
Drilla	Posted - 2004.11.01 10:06:00 - [46] Taz - if the icelandic viking takes lessons I'm willing to give all the other things up :D No seriously - I dont get why people hold a grudge, most of the old players are gone from EVE anyways. yarr - * pure moinage *
Geno	Posted - 2004.11.01 10:42:00 - [47] Originally by: Nyk0n FA are small, they only hold 1 region (discounting the cfs issue which is still up in the air). If left alone they tend to keep themselves to thereselves, discounting the station issue in cfs space which i think was more of a "oh I want a staion" issue by the corps concerned rather than a FA policy The FA have no dreams of world domination, they are the most frendly allience to outsiders (in that they at least will actully alow peeps into there space, all be it at a cost, to take advantage of the s****s in the area) untill recently they were the only allience to do so that controlled a "closed" area. most still dont. FA are in principle a anti pirate allience (ye there are EX see the keyword there) EX-pirates pirates in some of the corps but they all have ceased there pirate activitys, and as such u are ALOT more likly to get ganked as a "innocent bystander" by FA than by the CA or PA etc etc. G enrally most alliences just wana e left alone with the CA allience being a exception. The CA r the most aggresive allience ingame, they also the biggest. Make no mistake its CA that are the biggest threat to most of eve and there vocalness on the forums in spreading propaganda against the FA distracts against there own power, and twists peoples opinion into the way they want it. Just FYI the internal CA boards links virtully every main forum page they find thats a good properganda opo, so that others can add there usall BS to it The alliences i forsee being around forever r CA SA FA PA (with a name change or 6) Whatever entity EVOL r in at the time Those i doubt will dissapear NORAD XETIC NSA (possibly) If any of the above do break up tho, id thing itd be a name change and a few alteration to the member list anyways. just my 2 isk yep , Norad will be next to go IMO, they r on their knees as it is. and what u said about the alliences is true too, most of them (except Ca) will go about there own buissness if left alone. I can understand why so many Empire ppl keep giving their opinions about what alliance should be doing what. stuff like "CFS take ur stations back!" Well that really helped them, didn't it? "alliance A should team up with alliance B to crush evil alliance C" If u want infulence on an alliance, then join one or STFU
Geno	Posted - 2004.11.01 10:42:00 - [48] Originally by: Nyk0n FA are small, they only hold 1 region (discounting the cfs issue which is still up in the air). If left alone they tend to keep themselves to thereselves, discounting the station issue in cfs space which i think was more of a "oh I want a staion" issue by the corps concerned rather than a FA policy The FA have no dreams of world domination, they are the most frendly allience to outsiders (in that they at least will actully alow peeps into there space, all be it at a cost, to take advantage of the s****s in the area) untill recently they were the only allience to do so that controlled a "closed" area. most still dont. FA are in principle a anti pirate allience (ye there are EX see the keyword there) EX-pirates pirates in some of the corps but they all have ceased there pirate activitys, and as such u are ALOT more likly to get ganked as a "innocent bystander" by FA than by the CA or PA etc etc. G enrally most alliences just wana e left alone with the CA allience being a exception. The CA r the most aggresive allience ingame, they also the biggest. Make no mistake its CA that are the biggest threat to most of eve and there vocalness on the forums in spreading propaganda against the FA distracts against there own power, and twists peoples opinion into the way they want it. Just FYI the internal CA boards links virtully every main forum page they find thats a good properganda opo, so that others can add there usall BS to it The alliences i forsee being around forever r CA SA FA PA (with a name change or 6) Whatever entity EVOL r in at the time Those i doubt will dissapear NORAD XETIC NSA (possibly) If any of the above do break up tho, id thing itd be a name change and a few alteration to the member list anyways. just my 2 isk yep , Norad will be next to go IMO, they r on their knees as it is. and what u said about the alliences is true too, most of them (except Ca) will go about there own buissness if left alone. I can understand why so many Empire ppl keep giving their opinions about what alliance should be doing what. stuff like "CFS take ur stations back!" Well that really helped them, didn't it? "alliance A should team up with alliance B to crush evil alliance C" If u want infulence on an alliance, then join one or STFU
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2004.11.01 10:54:00 - [49] Currently game mechanics (NPC stations, high insurance etc) makes it extremely difficult to destroy anyone. The only way to kill of a decent corporation or alliance is by internal division which MAY be caused by massive demoralization. However, there are many battle hardened corps out there that are immune to this. You will not see Evolution, Omega corp, MASS or CLS giving up on their ideals quickly regardless of losses. Shiva will hopefully change this. Once war gets more expensive, winning will be more attainable. "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2004.11.01 10:54:00 - [50] Currently game mechanics (NPC stations, high insurance etc) makes it extremely difficult to destroy anyone. The only way to kill of a decent corporation or alliance is by internal division which MAY be caused by massive demoralization. However, there are many battle hardened corps out there that are immune to this. You will not see Evolution, Omega corp, MASS or CLS giving up on their ideals quickly regardless of losses. Shiva will hopefully change this. Once war gets more expensive, winning will be more attainable. "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Nestor Ne'Arthe	Posted - 2004.11.01 12:11:00 - [51] To be honest, there will never be a simple, or somehow achievable way of destroying someone. Why? Because winners dont pay double rates to CCP. If one looses everything to another player, he can leave the game as he doesnt have anything more to play with, hence he wont pay, and he doesnt enjoy the game. At current state only gaming 24/7, roaming around enemy space, killing all ships , all mining ops and sending a hunting group to empire can somehow alter one corps/alliance stance. But there are also 'symphatising' corps that will provide the influx of credits into others wallet. So even if you try hard, you wont 'win' anything. You cant 'check-mate' anyone in eve, all you can do is annoy him and waste your own time doing so, instead of having real fun ;] But then, some may find amusement in chasing ghosts, or playing private eye ;] The only real scheme of breaking an alliance is the outflux of players due to boredom/other games, along with severe internal conflicts. Other than that, you can only shoot some ships, and then go brag on forums 'carebear miners in empire blah blah blah', and then carebears come back, and shoot back, and some1 goes to mining again, depending who had the upper hand. Never ending circle ;] -- Portfolio (currently .PL only) - nestor.art.pl
Nestor Ne'Arthe	Posted - 2004.11.01 12:11:00 - [52] To be honest, there will never be a simple, or somehow achievable way of destroying someone. Why? Because winners dont pay double rates to CCP. If one looses everything to another player, he can leave the game as he doesnt have anything more to play with, hence he wont pay, and he doesnt enjoy the game. At current state only gaming 24/7, roaming around enemy space, killing all ships , all mining ops and sending a hunting group to empire can somehow alter one corps/alliance stance. But there are also 'symphatising' corps that will provide the influx of credits into others wallet. So even if you try hard, you wont 'win' anything. You cant 'check-mate' anyone in eve, all you can do is annoy him and waste your own time doing so, instead of having real fun ;] But then, some may find amusement in chasing ghosts, or playing private eye ;] The only real scheme of breaking an alliance is the outflux of players due to boredom/other games, along with severe internal conflicts. Other than that, you can only shoot some ships, and then go brag on forums 'carebear miners in empire blah blah blah', and then carebears come back, and shoot back, and some1 goes to mining again, depending who had the upper hand. Never ending circle ;] -- Portfolio (currently .PL only) - nestor.art.pl
Pychian Vanervi	Posted - 2004.11.01 13:00:00 - [53] Originally by: Nestor Ne'Arthe To be honest, there will never be a simple, or somehow achievable way of destroying someone. Why? Because winners dont pay double rates to CCP. If one looses everything to another player, he can leave the game as he doesnt have anything more to play with, hence he wont pay, and he doesnt enjoy the game. This is the attitude that players need to get over to let CCP impliment a way of destroying someone. To feel achievements you also have to feel loss. Currently you can't achieve a great deal so that is driving as many from the game as players who lose stuff. If tomorrow any player in the game with over 3-6 Months experience was to lose everything baring their skills, how long would it take for them to recover? Well not sure how resourseful anyone else is but I wouldn't think no more than a day to be combat effective and Month to be completely back on their feet. So is there any real big loss no. What we need is ways to see player groups be ousted from regions due to persistent loss's. A way to see a man beaten until he owns nothing but the Pod he flys in. We have to release ourselves from the chain to (pseudo)material items and look past that for more of an experience. How is 1 billion isk in your wallet different to 1 isk? Its fun we need and if to lose something and return from the ash's is one of the ways then so be it. (Hangover still not subsided yet!) ----------------------------- It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
Pychian Vanervi	Posted - 2004.11.01 13:00:00 - [54] Originally by: Nestor Ne'Arthe To be honest, there will never be a simple, or somehow achievable way of destroying someone. Why? Because winners dont pay double rates to CCP. If one looses everything to another player, he can leave the game as he doesnt have anything more to play with, hence he wont pay, and he doesnt enjoy the game. This is the attitude that players need to get over to let CCP impliment a way of destroying someone. To feel achievements you also have to feel loss. Currently you can't achieve a great deal so that is driving as many from the game as players who lose stuff. If tomorrow any player in the game with over 3-6 Months experience was to lose everything baring their skills, how long would it take for them to recover? Well not sure how resourseful anyone else is but I wouldn't think no more than a day to be combat effective and Month to be completely back on their feet. So is there any real big loss no. What we need is ways to see player groups be ousted from regions due to persistent loss's. A way to see a man beaten until he owns nothing but the Pod he flys in. We have to release ourselves from the chain to (pseudo)material items and look past that for more of an experience. How is 1 billion isk in your wallet different to 1 isk? Its fun we need and if to lose something and return from the ash's is one of the ways then so be it. (Hangover still not subsided yet!) ----------------------------- It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2004.11.01 14:08:00 - [55] If an alliance's space is completely taken, and they have no friends to adopt them, IMO they are pretty much destroyed (as in an alliance like FA, SA, CA, etc). But as you said some of those corps will NEVER give up, and will probably forge their own alliances. -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2004.11.01 14:08:00 - [56] If an alliance's space is completely taken, and they have no friends to adopt them, IMO they are pretty much destroyed (as in an alliance like FA, SA, CA, etc). But as you said some of those corps will NEVER give up, and will probably forge their own alliances. -- The best description of alliances, ever:
MyLittleHelper	Posted - 2004.11.01 14:21:00 - [57] Surely such things as - Forcing an alliance to leave its declared home. Forcing an alliance to remain safespotted/logoff in their own territory for the large majority of their time... ...count as victories? I mean, if an alliance cant roam freely in its own declared space for the most part, then surely they cant defend the area and have no claim to it, thus meaning they have been defeated. The alliance can still remain intact and make a new home elsewhere, but to physically force an alliance to move from their current home must constitute as a win. But in terms of actually destroying an alliance, that can never be won by simply using the gun placed in your hand, theres the whole psychological aspect to defeating an opponent, that actually accomplishes defeat. The guns simply help fuel this type of attack.
MyLittleHelper	Posted - 2004.11.01 14:21:00 - [58] Surely such things as - Forcing an alliance to leave its declared home. Forcing an alliance to remain safespotted/logoff in their own territory for the large majority of their time... ...count as victories? I mean, if an alliance cant roam freely in its own declared space for the most part, then surely they cant defend the area and have no claim to it, thus meaning they have been defeated. The alliance can still remain intact and make a new home elsewhere, but to physically force an alliance to move from their current home must constitute as a win. But in terms of actually destroying an alliance, that can never be won by simply using the gun placed in your hand, theres the whole psychological aspect to defeating an opponent, that actually accomplishes defeat. The guns simply help fuel this type of attack.
Woetra	Posted - 2004.11.01 14:55:00 - [59] STAR Alliance is almost dead, would be my guess someone'll pod the last remaining member and finish the job Sig Thief
Woetra	Posted - 2004.11.01 14:55:00 - [60] STAR Alliance is almost dead, would be my guess someone'll pod the last remaining member and finish the job Sig Thief
Taz Devlin	Posted - 2004.11.01 15:29:00 - [61] Originally by: Drilla Taz - if the icelandic viking takes lessons I'm willing to give all the other things up :D No seriously - I dont get why people hold a grudge, most of the old players are gone from EVE anyways. yarr I will agree to the popular opinion that SA & CA united would change EVE as we know it. I also agree with you about that grudge thing. Problem is... I wasn't there, so I'm not gonna preach about stuff I don't have the inside track on. And as long as SA is alive n kicking, you'll find me there. Here's to a better tomorrow, from whatever viewpoint you see it... Skßl! (that's cheers for the rest of you) Allways move fast, you never know who's catching up!
Taz Devlin	Posted - 2004.11.01 15:29:00 - [62] Originally by: Drilla Taz - if the icelandic viking takes lessons I'm willing to give all the other things up :D No seriously - I dont get why people hold a grudge, most of the old players are gone from EVE anyways. yarr I will agree to the popular opinion that SA & CA united would change EVE as we know it. I also agree with you about that grudge thing. Problem is... I wasn't there, so I'm not gonna preach about stuff I don't have the inside track on. And as long as SA is alive n kicking, you'll find me there. Here's to a better tomorrow, from whatever viewpoint you see it... Skßl! (that's cheers for the rest of you) Allways move fast, you never know who's catching up!
The Enslaver	Posted - 2004.11.01 15:53:00 - [63] StA is almost dead, and will die, yes. Alliances that will be here to stay, no matter what - Curse Alliance - Military power that no other single entity in the game - or even two - can stand up to. Morale is very high, and they thrive on fighting - only caring about ISK when they don't have enough to fight. Stain Alliance - Strong military, strong economy, great geographically. Coalition of Free Stars - Willpower. May be beaten down at the moment, but they'll be back. Its a thing that happens in phases. Fountain will fall if put under any significant pressure for a period of a few months. FA isn't strong enough in terms of military to withstand it - making ISK is what they thrive on, if they are depreived on that for a while, they will fall. Hard. XETIC same. CA hasn't ever put significant pressure on them for more than 2/3 weeks. With 2 months XF would collapse. Pheonix Alliance is only holding onto its territory for a third of the day unfortunately, I don't see a long future if it keeps up. BoB will fall apart as soon as EVOL gets bored and starts killing the other BoB corps. FU will fall apart with any more military pressure than it is taking now. NSA... Same. NORAD is almost dead now. TPS will live on, under different names perhaps, but it will. DSMA is dying, will fall with prolonged military pressure. As for CA and SA... A Xanadu member made my opinions on this very clear with a screenshot of an internal CA post I am for an alliance of sorts. I see it happening, just not yet... And I see the fall of FA. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2004.11.01 15:53:00 - [64] StA is almost dead, and will die, yes. Alliances that will be here to stay, no matter what - Curse Alliance - Military power that no other single entity in the game - or even two - can stand up to. Morale is very high, and they thrive on fighting - only caring about ISK when they don't have enough to fight. Stain Alliance - Strong military, strong economy, great geographically. Coalition of Free Stars - Willpower. May be beaten down at the moment, but they'll be back. Its a thing that happens in phases. Fountain will fall if put under any significant pressure for a period of a few months. FA isn't strong enough in terms of military to withstand it - making ISK is what they thrive on, if they are depreived on that for a while, they will fall. Hard. XETIC same. CA hasn't ever put significant pressure on them for more than 2/3 weeks. With 2 months XF would collapse. Pheonix Alliance is only holding onto its territory for a third of the day unfortunately, I don't see a long future if it keeps up. BoB will fall apart as soon as EVOL gets bored and starts killing the other BoB corps. FU will fall apart with any more military pressure than it is taking now. NSA... Same. NORAD is almost dead now. TPS will live on, under different names perhaps, but it will. DSMA is dying, will fall with prolonged military pressure. As for CA and SA... A Xanadu member made my opinions on this very clear with a screenshot of an internal CA post I am for an alliance of sorts. I see it happening, just not yet... And I see the fall of FA. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Geno	Posted - 2004.11.01 16:25:00 - [65] Originally by: Primer Xenius You will not see Evolution, Omega corp, MASS or CLS giving up on their ideals quickly regardless of losses. strange choice of corps u picked their u r either .. a) very biased or b) u believe what u read on the forums . MASS ... ok, fair enough . CLS.. hmm may be, haven't had much contact with them but Evol were founder members of FA, they left to fight CA with SA, met m0o (well know allinance haters) and became friends, proclamed their hatred of alliances and then formed an alliance with m0o... not exactly sticking to their ideals, is it? . OC were one of the founders of SA, they built it up and raged war on the CA when the CA became a pirate alliance. then after an argument over mining rights with EV they left and joined their bitter rivals... an even worse example
Geno	Posted - 2004.11.01 16:25:00 - [66] Originally by: Primer Xenius You will not see Evolution, Omega corp, MASS or CLS giving up on their ideals quickly regardless of losses. strange choice of corps u picked their u r either .. a) very biased or b) u believe what u read on the forums . MASS ... ok, fair enough . CLS.. hmm may be, haven't had much contact with them but Evol were founder members of FA, they left to fight CA with SA, met m0o (well know allinance haters) and became friends, proclamed their hatred of alliances and then formed an alliance with m0o... not exactly sticking to their ideals, is it? . OC were one of the founders of SA, they built it up and raged war on the CA when the CA became a pirate alliance. then after an argument over mining rights with EV they left and joined their bitter rivals... an even worse example
Morikai Acler	Posted - 2004.11.01 16:59:00 - [67] Honestly I think after shiva, alliance wars are going to change a great deal. Especially if people take full advantage of the alliance system. Since it won't just be fighting in 0.0 anymore, it will be all out fighting no matter where they are even in empire. Which will of course lead to more decisive ways to destroy or force an alliance to surrender. Then again, for that matter, it will be a hell of a lot more rare to see any corp declare war on a corp that is an alliance. At least without getting pounded on by the other members of that alliance. Mostly from what I've seen, a few peoples predictions are probably right. CA and Xetic/IF will probably be around for quite a long time. As far as The alliances in Deklain and Fade(cant remember names), they would probably already be dead if Evol and friends weren't tied up fighting us. I'm guessing I could probably add Norad to that list as well. PA, well, what can I say about having had to fight 3 regional alliances, 2 major pirate/nomad corps, and their friends at one time? I wouldn't count the Phoenix out quite yet, as there is that one thing about Phoenix's. I know no matter what I'm gonna give BoB hell regardless, and if I'm goin to hell I'm taken some with me. Fountain has a big advantage, which will help them greatly after shiva comes out. And that is the fact that their region is easy to defend, since it only has 3 entrances, as well as one of those being as easy route to empire space. I doubt BoB and friends will attack them, not unless something silly happens again. Since many fountain corps have Evol and friends at good standings. I can't think of anything else to add here, so I'll shut up now.
Morikai Acler	Posted - 2004.11.01 16:59:00 - [68] Honestly I think after shiva, alliance wars are going to change a great deal. Especially if people take full advantage of the alliance system. Since it won't just be fighting in 0.0 anymore, it will be all out fighting no matter where they are even in empire. Which will of course lead to more decisive ways to destroy or force an alliance to surrender. Then again, for that matter, it will be a hell of a lot more rare to see any corp declare war on a corp that is an alliance. At least without getting pounded on by the other members of that alliance. Mostly from what I've seen, a few peoples predictions are probably right. CA and Xetic/IF will probably be around for quite a long time. As far as The alliances in Deklain and Fade(cant remember names), they would probably already be dead if Evol and friends weren't tied up fighting us. I'm guessing I could probably add Norad to that list as well. PA, well, what can I say about having had to fight 3 regional alliances, 2 major pirate/nomad corps, and their friends at one time? I wouldn't count the Phoenix out quite yet, as there is that one thing about Phoenix's. I know no matter what I'm gonna give BoB hell regardless, and if I'm goin to hell I'm taken some with me. Fountain has a big advantage, which will help them greatly after shiva comes out. And that is the fact that their region is easy to defend, since it only has 3 entrances, as well as one of those being as easy route to empire space. I doubt BoB and friends will attack them, not unless something silly happens again. Since many fountain corps have Evol and friends at good standings. I can't think of anything else to add here, so I'll shut up now.
IcedBach Jr	Posted - 2004.11.01 17:08:00 - [69] yeah yeah Norad is dead, why dont you come and pick up the remains U arrogant bastards in CA Praeludium to success
IcedBach Jr	Posted - 2004.11.01 17:08:00 - [70] yeah yeah Norad is dead, why dont you come and pick up the remains U arrogant bastards in CA Praeludium to success
Rytir	Posted - 2004.11.01 17:48:00 - [71] Originally by: The Enslaver StA is almost dead, and will die, yes. Alliances that will be here to stay, no matter what - Curse Alliance - Military power that no other single entity in the game - or even two - can stand up to. Morale is very high, and they thrive on fighting - only caring about ISK when they don't have enough to fight. Stain Alliance - Strong military, strong economy, great geographically. Coalition of Free Stars - Willpower. May be beaten down at the moment, but they'll be back. Its a thing that happens in phases. Fountain will fall if put under any significant pressure for a period of a few months. FA isn't strong enough in terms of military to withstand it - making ISK is what they thrive on, if they are depreived on that for a while, they will fall. Hard. XETIC same. CA hasn't ever put significant pressure on them for more than 2/3 weeks. With 2 months XF would collapse. Pheonix Alliance is only holding onto its territory for a third of the day unfortunately, I don't see a long future if it keeps up. BoB will fall apart as soon as EVOL gets bored and starts killing the other BoB corps. FU will fall apart with any more military pressure than it is taking now. NSA... Same. NORAD is almost dead now. TPS will live on, under different names perhaps, but it will. DSMA is dying, will fall with prolonged military pressure. As for CA and SA... A Xanadu member made my opinions on this very clear with a screenshot of an internal CA post I am for an alliance of sorts. I see it happening, just not yet... And I see the fall of FA. Hmmm. Time will tell.
Rytir	Posted - 2004.11.01 17:48:00 - [72] Originally by: The Enslaver StA is almost dead, and will die, yes. Alliances that will be here to stay, no matter what - Curse Alliance - Military power that no other single entity in the game - or even two - can stand up to. Morale is very high, and they thrive on fighting - only caring about ISK when they don't have enough to fight. Stain Alliance - Strong military, strong economy, great geographically. Coalition of Free Stars - Willpower. May be beaten down at the moment, but they'll be back. Its a thing that happens in phases. Fountain will fall if put under any significant pressure for a period of a few months. FA isn't strong enough in terms of military to withstand it - making ISK is what they thrive on, if they are depreived on that for a while, they will fall. Hard. XETIC same. CA hasn't ever put significant pressure on them for more than 2/3 weeks. With 2 months XF would collapse. Pheonix Alliance is only holding onto its territory for a third of the day unfortunately, I don't see a long future if it keeps up. BoB will fall apart as soon as EVOL gets bored and starts killing the other BoB corps. FU will fall apart with any more military pressure than it is taking now. NSA... Same. NORAD is almost dead now. TPS will live on, under different names perhaps, but it will. DSMA is dying, will fall with prolonged military pressure. As for CA and SA... A Xanadu member made my opinions on this very clear with a screenshot of an internal CA post I am for an alliance of sorts. I see it happening, just not yet... And I see the fall of FA. Hmmm. Time will tell.
Aerick Dawn	Posted - 2004.11.01 19:43:00 - [73] The SA vs CA grudge thing is sort of exagerated. Don't know about the rest of you, but I've yet to see a dose of any smacktalking or namecalling from either side. Matter of fact, its the most friendly "hostility" I've ever witnessed. ______________________ What Aerick has been up to lately..
Aerick Dawn	Posted - 2004.11.01 19:43:00 - [74] The SA vs CA grudge thing is sort of exagerated. Don't know about the rest of you, but I've yet to see a dose of any smacktalking or namecalling from either side. Matter of fact, its the most friendly "hostility" I've ever witnessed. ______________________ What Aerick has been up to lately..
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2004.11.01 19:57:00 - [75] Originally by: Aerick Dawn The SA vs CA grudge thing is sort of exagerated. Don't know about the rest of you, but I've yet to see a dose of any smacktalking or namecalling from either side. Matter of fact, its the most friendly "hostility" I've ever witnessed. Very true. It goes like this. 1. Hey, hows it going? Great! 2. gets down to business, shoots each other to death 3. Hey, nice battle man... get any good loot? -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2004.11.01 19:57:00 - [76] Originally by: Aerick Dawn The SA vs CA grudge thing is sort of exagerated. Don't know about the rest of you, but I've yet to see a dose of any smacktalking or namecalling from either side. Matter of fact, its the most friendly "hostility" I've ever witnessed. Very true. It goes like this. 1. Hey, hows it going? Great! 2. gets down to business, shoots each other to death 3. Hey, nice battle man... get any good loot? -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Mac Knife	Posted - 2004.11.01 20:49:00 - [77] Originally by: Taz Devlin The only way for Xetic to fall would be the following things to happen... Solar Wind & Omega Corp hug each other and let by gones be by gones. Tyrell corp get heavily medicated and accidentaly sign a peace treaty with whole of CA. Trigger & XirtamVOTF have a baby together. Zelota & Bared take typing instructions and fall in love. Hmm... after reading this again, there just might be a snowballs chance in hell. What do you think? LMAO!
Mac Knife	Posted - 2004.11.01 20:49:00 - [78] Originally by: Taz Devlin The only way for Xetic to fall would be the following things to happen... Solar Wind & Omega Corp hug each other and let by gones be by gones. Tyrell corp get heavily medicated and accidentaly sign a peace treaty with whole of CA. Trigger & XirtamVOTF have a baby together. Zelota & Bared take typing instructions and fall in love. Hmm... after reading this again, there just might be a snowballs chance in hell. What do you think? LMAO!
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.11.01 21:00:00 - [79] Originally by: Taz Devlin The only way for Xetic to fall would be the following things to happen... Solar Wind & Omega Corp hug each other and let by gones be by gones. Tyrell corp get heavily medicated and accidentaly sign a peace treaty with whole of CA. Trigger & XirtamVOTF have a baby together. Zelota & Bared take typing instructions and fall in love. Hmm... after reading this again, there just might be a snowballs chance in hell. What do you think? indeed a snowball chance in hell... but hey... it woudn't surprise me ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.11.01 21:00:00 - [80] Originally by: Taz Devlin The only way for Xetic to fall would be the following things to happen... Solar Wind & Omega Corp hug each other and let by gones be by gones. Tyrell corp get heavily medicated and accidentaly sign a peace treaty with whole of CA. Trigger & XirtamVOTF have a baby together. Zelota & Bared take typing instructions and fall in love. Hmm... after reading this again, there just might be a snowballs chance in hell. What do you think? indeed a snowball chance in hell... but hey... it woudn't surprise me ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Mr Blonde	Posted - 2004.11.01 22:29:00 - [81] Originally by: The Enslaver Alliances that will be here to stay, no matter what - Curse Alliance - Military power that no other single entity in the game - or even two - can stand up to. Morale is very high, and they thrive on fighting - only caring about ISK when they don't have enough to fight. The Curse Alliance military is probably the most overrated entity in the whole of Eve bar none, mostly thanks to the same striving propagandists that pursue to the neverending task of keeping their own alliance morale up. Is there actually any alliance / corporation in Eve aside from CFS and Xetic that has not humiliantingly defeated the CA fleets whenever they wanted to? I mean props and all to you guys for your amazing ability to fabricate a totally alternate Eve universe for the board posting purposes, while making it sound like you actually believe what you post.. you guys are so good at it, that its almost scary __________________________________________ Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite??
Mr Blonde	Posted - 2004.11.01 22:29:00 - [82] Originally by: The Enslaver Alliances that will be here to stay, no matter what - Curse Alliance - Military power that no other single entity in the game - or even two - can stand up to. Morale is very high, and they thrive on fighting - only caring about ISK when they don't have enough to fight. The Curse Alliance military is probably the most overrated entity in the whole of Eve bar none, mostly thanks to the same striving propagandists that pursue to the neverending task of keeping their own alliance morale up. Is there actually any alliance / corporation in Eve aside from CFS and Xetic that has not humiliantingly defeated the CA fleets whenever they wanted to? I mean props and all to you guys for your amazing ability to fabricate a totally alternate Eve universe for the board posting purposes, while making it sound like you actually believe what you post.. you guys are so good at it, that its almost scary __________________________________________ Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite??
S3VYN	Posted - 2004.11.01 23:19:00 - [83] So you're saying they create an alternate universe found on a ficticious, online, alternate universe? That's wild... ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be.
S3VYN	Posted - 2004.11.01 23:19:00 - [84] So you're saying they create an alternate universe found on a ficticious, online, alternate universe? That's wild... ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2004.11.02 00:10:00 - [85] Originally by: Mr Blonde The Curse Alliance military is probably the most overrated entity in the whole of Eve bar none, mostly thanks to the same striving propagandists that pursue to the neverending task of keeping their own alliance morale up. Is there actually any alliance / corporation in Eve aside from CFS and Xetic that has not humiliantingly defeated the CA fleets whenever they wanted to? I mean props and all to you guys for your amazing ability to fabricate a totally alternate Eve universe for the board posting purposes, while making it sound like you actually believe what you post.. you guys are so good at it, that its almost scary Hardly, we win almost all fleet engagements. Have since I've been CA anyway -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2004.11.02 00:10:00 - [86] Originally by: Mr Blonde The Curse Alliance military is probably the most overrated entity in the whole of Eve bar none, mostly thanks to the same striving propagandists that pursue to the neverending task of keeping their own alliance morale up. Is there actually any alliance / corporation in Eve aside from CFS and Xetic that has not humiliantingly defeated the CA fleets whenever they wanted to? I mean props and all to you guys for your amazing ability to fabricate a totally alternate Eve universe for the board posting purposes, while making it sound like you actually believe what you post.. you guys are so good at it, that its almost scary Hardly, we win almost all fleet engagements. Have since I've been CA anyway -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Baghdad Bob	Posted - 2004.11.02 05:51:00 - [87] CA has never lost an engagement, ever. Occassionaly we move to spots, that are NOT safespots, and then we warp in and destroy entire fleets with our superior tactics and military might. This is fact! Look it up. We have never even received an eve-mail from CONCORD. We don't even ensure our ships anymore. We don't even know what insurance is.
Baghdad Bob	Posted - 2004.11.02 05:51:00 - [88] CA has never lost an engagement, ever. Occassionaly we move to spots, that are NOT safespots, and then we warp in and destroy entire fleets with our superior tactics and military might. This is fact! Look it up. We have never even received an eve-mail from CONCORD. We don't even ensure our ships anymore. We don't even know what insurance is.
David Corbett	Posted - 2004.11.02 05:59:00 - [89] Normally I'm not a fan of the alt thing, but I'd have to say that one from "Baghdad Bob" tops them all as the cleverest I've seen yet, and I've seen some pretty clever ones from all sides :-)
David Corbett	Posted - 2004.11.02 05:59:00 - [90] Normally I'm not a fan of the alt thing, but I'd have to say that one from "Baghdad Bob" tops them all as the cleverest I've seen yet, and I've seen some pretty clever ones from all sides :-)
Bubbaloo	Posted - 2004.11.02 22:34:00 - [91] Originally by: Baghdad Bob CA has never lost an engagement, ever. Occassionaly we move to spots, that are NOT safespots, and then we warp in and destroy entire fleets with our superior tactics and military might. This is fact! Look it up. We have never even received an eve-mail from CONCORD. We don't even ensure our ships anymore. We don't even know what insurance is. i just must say LOL But CA is getting weaker and weaker, they are not as strong as they used to be, i do not know much about PA and FA and all that and i do believe Norad is falling apart now lets just hope jqa and 3rd front stay together :P and for those that do not know this, the moment of truth for JQA is coming up these days as CA have started to move big fleets up to syndicate now lets make them feel the pain and let them fly all the way back to curse where SA will continue to******them Bubbaloo - CBSI Public Relations Officer
Bubbaloo	Posted - 2004.11.02 22:34:00 - [92] Originally by: Baghdad Bob CA has never lost an engagement, ever. Occassionaly we move to spots, that are NOT safespots, and then we warp in and destroy entire fleets with our superior tactics and military might. This is fact! Look it up. We have never even received an eve-mail from CONCORD. We don't even ensure our ships anymore. We don't even know what insurance is. i just must say LOL But CA is getting weaker and weaker, they are not as strong as they used to be, i do not know much about PA and FA and all that and i do believe Norad is falling apart now lets just hope jqa and 3rd front stay together :P and for those that do not know this, the moment of truth for JQA is coming up these days as CA have started to move big fleets up to syndicate now lets make them feel the pain and let them fly all the way back to curse where SA will continue to******them Bubbaloo - CBSI Public Relations Officer
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.11.02 23:15:00 - [93] Originally by: Bubbaloo Originally by: Baghdad Bob CA has never lost an engagement, ever. Occassionaly we move to spots, that are NOT safespots, and then we warp in and destroy entire fleets with our superior tactics and military might. This is fact! Look it up. We have never even received an eve-mail from CONCORD. We don't even ensure our ships anymore. We don't even know what insurance is. i just must say LOL But CA is getting weaker and weaker, they are not as strong as they used to be, i do not know much about PA and FA and all that and i do believe Norad is falling apart now lets just hope jqa and 3rd front stay together :P and for those that do not know this, the moment of truth for JQA is coming up these days as CA have started to move big fleets up to syndicate now lets make them feel the pain and let them fly all the way back to curse where SA will continue to****them indeed, althou I may as wtf is CA doing up here? Bored of SA/FA/Xetic? ------------------- Quote:** Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.11.02 23:15:00 - [94] Originally by: Bubbaloo Originally by: Baghdad Bob CA has never lost an engagement, ever. Occassionaly we move to spots, that are NOT safespots, and then we warp in and destroy entire fleets with our superior tactics and military might. This is fact! Look it up. We have never even received an eve-mail from CONCORD. We don't even ensure our ships anymore. We don't even know what insurance is. i just must say LOL But CA is getting weaker and weaker, they are not as strong as they used to be, i do not know much about PA and FA and all that and i do believe Norad is falling apart now lets just hope jqa and 3rd front stay together :P and for those that do not know this, the moment of truth for JQA is coming up these days as CA have started to move big fleets up to syndicate now lets make them feel the pain and let them fly all the way back to curse where SA will continue to****them indeed, althou I may as wtf is CA doing up here? Bored of SA/FA/Xetic? ------------------- Quote:** Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2004.11.02 23:22:00 - [95] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 02/11/2004 23:29:08 Edited by: Neon Genesis on 02/11/2004 23:25:16 I'm just gonna retract my post, im fariley drunk But JQA dont have a chance vs CA im afraid __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2004.11.02 23:22:00 - [96] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 02/11/2004 23:29:08 Edited by: Neon Genesis on 02/11/2004 23:25:16 I'm just gonna retract my post, im fariley drunk But JQA dont have a chance vs CA im afraid __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.11.02 23:48:00 - [97] Neon, in all my honesty, I will not tell that we are doomed, but I will tell that CA is the most hard thing we had till now, but we will survive. ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.11.02 23:48:00 - [98] Neon, in all my honesty, I will not tell that we are doomed, but I will tell that CA is the most hard thing we had till now, but we will survive. ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
thoth foc	Posted - 2004.11.03 07:57:00 - [99] Edited by: thoth foc on 03/11/2004 08:03:33 Originally by: The Enslaver DSMA is dying, will fall with prolonged military pressure. We are hardly dying... yes we are smaller than the rest, and largely younger as an alliance.. but we have a sustainable military compaign against FA, some we win some we lose.. either way we learn and hope it will help strengthen us for the future.. --thoth
thoth foc	Posted - 2004.11.03 07:57:00 - [100] Edited by: thoth foc on 03/11/2004 08:03:33 Originally by: The Enslaver DSMA is dying, will fall with prolonged military pressure. We are hardly dying... yes we are smaller than the rest, and largely younger as an alliance.. but we have a sustainable military compaign against FA, some we win some we lose.. either way we learn and hope it will help strengthen us for the future.. --thoth
Bubbaloo	Posted - 2004.11.03 10:46:00 - [101] Originally by: Grimpak indeed, althou I may as wtf is CA doing up here? Bored of SA/FA/Xetic? well, according to some friends of mine in SA, CA are losing the war down there and have been moving out of Curse and are looking for a new home ... that is what i heard Bubbaloo - CBSI Public Relations Officer
Bubbaloo	Posted - 2004.11.03 10:46:00 - [102] Originally by: Grimpak indeed, althou I may as wtf is CA doing up here? Bored of SA/FA/Xetic? well, according to some friends of mine in SA, CA are losing the war down there and have been moving out of Curse and are looking for a new home ... that is what i heard Bubbaloo - CBSI Public Relations Officer
Bizarre	Posted - 2004.11.03 10:48:00 - [103] Originally by: The Enslaver Hardly, we win almost all fleet engagements. Have since I've been CA anyway You must be in a different CA then. ------------------------------------------------- Deathwing > U LIKE THOSE NUTS ON YA CHIN?
Bizarre	Posted - 2004.11.03 10:48:00 - [104] Originally by: The Enslaver Hardly, we win almost all fleet engagements. Have since I've been CA anyway You must be in a different CA then. ------------------------------------------------- Deathwing > U LIKE THOSE NUTS ON YA CHIN?
Bubbaloo	Posted - 2004.11.03 17:35:00 - [105] I would like to apolagize for my comments, they were said as a practial joke but after readin them again I see they are not appropriate. Bubbaloo - CBSI Public Relations Officer
Bubbaloo	Posted - 2004.11.03 17:35:00 - [106] I would like to apolagize for my comments, they were said as a practial joke but after readin them again I see they are not appropriate. Bubbaloo - CBSI Public Relations Officer
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2004.11.04 05:52:00 - [107] All kidding aside. Theres only 2 things that will be certain SA and CA will be around. Out of all the alliances they have been around the longest. Whether or not the other alliances stay together these 2 will remain alive and well. The war between us is more of a habit and great respect for each other. Will we see an end to the longest war in EVE history? Maybe for a time. Its more of an act of chivalry for SA and CA to fight at this point. We have lots of fun doing it. And the favor of getting blown up is returned to both sides. What does this mean? SA and CA will exist forever in EVE unless an act of God causes both of them to implode from the inside. Both CA and SA have been down on their luck and both have returned from it. Even from recent fleet battles how many alliances are willing to take fleets of 80+ on both sides and engage each other.. Its happened more than once during this war. Both alliances were met and recognized by the Jove. Both alliances have been in the news. CA and SA are filled with great people who are willing to fight together and to keep each alliance alive. I salute CA for keeping the game fun and having fun. Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2004.11.04 05:52:00 - [108] All kidding aside. Theres only 2 things that will be certain SA and CA will be around. Out of all the alliances they have been around the longest. Whether or not the other alliances stay together these 2 will remain alive and well. The war between us is more of a habit and great respect for each other. Will we see an end to the longest war in EVE history? Maybe for a time. Its more of an act of chivalry for SA and CA to fight at this point. We have lots of fun doing it. And the favor of getting blown up is returned to both sides. What does this mean? SA and CA will exist forever in EVE unless an act of God causes both of them to implode from the inside. Both CA and SA have been down on their luck and both have returned from it. Even from recent fleet battles how many alliances are willing to take fleets of 80+ on both sides and engage each other.. Its happened more than once during this war. Both alliances were met and recognized by the Jove. Both alliances have been in the news. CA and SA are filled with great people who are willing to fight together and to keep each alliance alive. I salute CA for keeping the game fun and having fun. Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Blacklight	Posted - 2004.11.04 05:58:00 - [109] Originally by: Agent Kenshin Out of all the alliances they have been around the longest. SA has yes but CA hasn't, FA has been around a lot longer than CA. Don't post stuff you're not sure of, it's awfully bad form and does your credibility no good. Eve Blacklight Style
Blacklight	Posted - 2004.11.04 05:58:00 - [110] Originally by: Agent Kenshin Out of all the alliances they have been around the longest. SA has yes but CA hasn't, FA has been around a lot longer than CA. Don't post stuff you're not sure of, it's awfully bad form and does your credibility no good. Eve Blacklight Style
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.11.04 06:23:00 - [111] Edited by: Pandora Panda on 04/11/2004 06:26:23 Next alliance to die? CAREBEAR - Coalition Against Random Environmental Blemishes Engendered by Asteroid-Rapers -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.11.04 06:23:00 - [112] Edited by: Pandora Panda on 04/11/2004 06:26:23 Next alliance to die? CAREBEAR - Coalition Against Random Environmental Blemishes Engendered by Asteroid-Rapers -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2004.11.04 07:01:00 - [113] Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/11/2004 07:36:58 Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/11/2004 07:28:19 Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/11/2004 07:11:58 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Agent Kenshin Out of all the alliances they have been around the longest. SA has yes but CA hasn't, FA has been around a lot longer than CA. Don't post stuff you're not sure of, it's awfully bad form and does your credibility no good. Well theres a little bit missing there within the first month or 2. CA and SA were founded. Maybe not in the same sense they are today. I remember quite well some of my former corp mates sitting in Serpentis Prime killing rats all day long before Fountain even existed. This was before Battleship sized weapons were out and the Battleships were just released. If i remember correctly SA and CA were around and kicking by this point and m0o was making major statements across EVE. I think CA and SA have been around a bit longer. EDIT When I joined stain the game was only 7 to 8 months old. And from that point SA and CA had been fighting for at least 4 months. And the battleships were released after what month and a half to 2 months after release?? Fountain didnt exist by that point as i stated above. Most of 0.0 was open free space. With relatively low security risks. So somewhere in the time that SA and CA started fighting and battleships were release CA and FA were formed as of the exact dates very few know. I know that back in the old days there was the Curse Alliance and the Curse Coalition. We had tried to get into CA but they turned us down and shot us and we applyed to get into SA. The alliances did exist but not by the formal names that they do now. Any way you look at it SA and CA are gonna be around till the game dies. Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2004.11.04 07:01:00 - [114] Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/11/2004 07:36:58 Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/11/2004 07:28:19 Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/11/2004 07:11:58 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Agent Kenshin Out of all the alliances they have been around the longest. SA has yes but CA hasn't, FA has been around a lot longer than CA. Don't post stuff you're not sure of, it's awfully bad form and does your credibility no good. Well theres a little bit missing there within the first month or 2. CA and SA were founded. Maybe not in the same sense they are today. I remember quite well some of my former corp mates sitting in Serpentis Prime killing rats all day long before Fountain even existed. This was before Battleship sized weapons were out and the Battleships were just released. If i remember correctly SA and CA were around and kicking by this point and m0o was making major statements across EVE. I think CA and SA have been around a bit longer. EDIT When I joined stain the game was only 7 to 8 months old. And from that point SA and CA had been fighting for at least 4 months. And the battleships were released after what month and a half to 2 months after release?? Fountain didnt exist by that point as i stated above. Most of 0.0 was open free space. With relatively low security risks. So somewhere in the time that SA and CA started fighting and battleships were release CA and FA were formed as of the exact dates very few know. I know that back in the old days there was the Curse Alliance and the Curse Coalition. We had tried to get into CA but they turned us down and shot us and we applyed to get into SA. The alliances did exist but not by the formal names that they do now. Any way you look at it SA and CA are gonna be around till the game dies. Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.11.04 16:06:00 - [115] Originally by: Bubbaloo Originally by: Grimpak indeed, althou I may as wtf is CA doing up here? Bored of SA/FA/Xetic? well, according to some friends of mine in SA, CA are losing the war down there and have been moving out of Curse and are looking for a new home ... that is what i heard Yeahh, and the moon is made of green cheese, get a grip So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.11.04 16:06:00 - [116] Originally by: Bubbaloo Originally by: Grimpak indeed, althou I may as wtf is CA doing up here? Bored of SA/FA/Xetic? well, according to some friends of mine in SA, CA are losing the war down there and have been moving out of Curse and are looking for a new home ... that is what i heard Yeahh, and the moon is made of green cheese, get a grip So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Mr Blonde	Posted - 2004.11.04 16:50:00 - [117] Originally by: Agent Kenshin Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/11/2004 07:36:58 Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/11/2004 07:28:19 Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/11/2004 07:11:58 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Agent Kenshin Out of all the alliances they have been around the longest. SA has yes but CA hasn't, FA has been around a lot longer than CA. Don't post stuff you're not sure of, it's awfully bad form and does your credibility no good. Well theres a little bit missing there within the first month or 2. CA and SA were founded. Maybe not in the same sense they are today. I remember quite well some of my former corp mates sitting in Serpentis Prime killing rats all day long before Fountain even existed. This was before Battleship sized weapons were out and the Battleships were just released. If i remember correctly SA and CA were around and kicking by this point and m0o was making major statements across EVE. I think CA and SA have been around a bit longer. EDIT When I joined stain the game was only 7 to 8 months old. And from that point SA and CA had been fighting for at least 4 months. And the battleships were released after what month and a half to 2 months after release?? Fountain didnt exist by that point as i stated above. Most of 0.0 was open free space. With relatively low security risks. So somewhere in the time that SA and CA started fighting and battleships were release CA and FA were formed as of the exact dates very few know. I know that back in the old days there was the Curse Alliance and the Curse Coalition. We had tried to get into CA but they turned us down and shot us and we applyed to get into SA. The alliances did exist but not by the formal names that they do now. Any way you look at it SA and CA are gonna be around till the game dies. The Curse Alliance was formed with the return of Sinister to Curse, after fleeing from the War it started with the Fountain Alliance who back then included Evolution. That is the entire reason why FA / Evol became hostile to Curse. So basically yes, Curse is pretty much the youngest of the "Big Alliances". __________________________________________ Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite??
Mr Blonde	Posted - 2004.11.04 16:50:00 - [118] Originally by: Agent Kenshin Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/11/2004 07:36:58 Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/11/2004 07:28:19 Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/11/2004 07:11:58 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Agent Kenshin Out of all the alliances they have been around the longest. SA has yes but CA hasn't, FA has been around a lot longer than CA. Don't post stuff you're not sure of, it's awfully bad form and does your credibility no good. Well theres a little bit missing there within the first month or 2. CA and SA were founded. Maybe not in the same sense they are today. I remember quite well some of my former corp mates sitting in Serpentis Prime killing rats all day long before Fountain even existed. This was before Battleship sized weapons were out and the Battleships were just released. If i remember correctly SA and CA were around and kicking by this point and m0o was making major statements across EVE. I think CA and SA have been around a bit longer. EDIT When I joined stain the game was only 7 to 8 months old. And from that point SA and CA had been fighting for at least 4 months. And the battleships were released after what month and a half to 2 months after release?? Fountain didnt exist by that point as i stated above. Most of 0.0 was open free space. With relatively low security risks. So somewhere in the time that SA and CA started fighting and battleships were release CA and FA were formed as of the exact dates very few know. I know that back in the old days there was the Curse Alliance and the Curse Coalition. We had tried to get into CA but they turned us down and shot us and we applyed to get into SA. The alliances did exist but not by the formal names that they do now. Any way you look at it SA and CA are gonna be around till the game dies. The Curse Alliance was formed with the return of Sinister to Curse, after fleeing from the War it started with the Fountain Alliance who back then included Evolution. That is the entire reason why FA / Evol became hostile to Curse. So basically yes, Curse is pretty much the youngest of the "Big Alliances". __________________________________________ Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite??
Raeff	Posted - 2004.11.04 16:57:00 - [119] Originally by: The Enslaver StA is almost dead, and will die, yes. Alliances that will be here to stay, no matter what - Curse Alliance - Military power that no other single entity in the game - or even two - can stand up to. Morale is very high, and they thrive on fighting - only caring about ISK when they don't have enough to fight. Stain Alliance - Strong military, strong economy, great geographically. Coalition of Free Stars - Willpower. May be beaten down at the moment, but they'll be back. Its a thing that happens in phases. Fountain will fall if put under any significant pressure for a period of a few months. FA isn't strong enough in terms of military to withstand it - making ISK is what they thrive on, if they are depreived on that for a while, they will fall. Hard. XETIC same. CA hasn't ever put significant pressure on them for more than 2/3 weeks. With 2 months XF would collapse. Pheonix Alliance is only holding onto its territory for a third of the day unfortunately, I don't see a long future if it keeps up. BoB will fall apart as soon as EVOL gets bored and starts killing the other BoB corps. FU will fall apart with any more military pressure than it is taking now. NSA... Same. NORAD is almost dead now. TPS will live on, under different names perhaps, but it will. DSMA is dying, will fall with prolonged military pressure. As for CA and SA... A Xanadu member made my opinions on this very clear with a screenshot of an internal CA post I am for an alliance of sorts. I see it happening, just not yet... And I see the fall of FA. ya know, i started to make a long speech about how you really have no clue about the northern alliances, but i kinda like being underestimated
Raeff	Posted - 2004.11.04 16:57:00 - [120] Originally by: The Enslaver StA is almost dead, and will die, yes. Alliances that will be here to stay, no matter what - Curse Alliance - Military power that no other single entity in the game - or even two - can stand up to. Morale is very high, and they thrive on fighting - only caring about ISK when they don't have enough to fight. Stain Alliance - Strong military, strong economy, great geographically. Coalition of Free Stars - Willpower. May be beaten down at the moment, but they'll be back. Its a thing that happens in phases. Fountain will fall if put under any significant pressure for a period of a few months. FA isn't strong enough in terms of military to withstand it - making ISK is what they thrive on, if they are depreived on that for a while, they will fall. Hard. XETIC same. CA hasn't ever put significant pressure on them for more than 2/3 weeks. With 2 months XF would collapse. Pheonix Alliance is only holding onto its territory for a third of the day unfortunately, I don't see a long future if it keeps up. BoB will fall apart as soon as EVOL gets bored and starts killing the other BoB corps. FU will fall apart with any more military pressure than it is taking now. NSA... Same. NORAD is almost dead now. TPS will live on, under different names perhaps, but it will. DSMA is dying, will fall with prolonged military pressure. As for CA and SA... A Xanadu member made my opinions on this very clear with a screenshot of an internal CA post I am for an alliance of sorts. I see it happening, just not yet... And I see the fall of FA. ya know, i started to make a long speech about how you really have no clue about the northern alliances, but i kinda like being underestimated

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