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Ninja Fang	Posted - 2009.10.25 16:26:00 - [1] Seems to me that the fact that someone can completely destroy a character of, say a year or more, bringing them down to 2 weeks of skill points is pretty lame. Is it just designed to exploit user error? the cost is negligible. I really don't see a point. I know new eden is harsh but sheesh. you mean you guys actually got together and thought well, when someone dies they should: lose their ship.. okay lose their implants.. okay Return to starting station.. okay oh i know! let's make them pay a few isk and if they forget, they lose EVERYTHING!.. yeah totally! but but.. what about a player who has been a customer for 4 years?.. this has not been a problem for me.. yet. it is really easy to upgrade y'r clone, so easy that it almost seems POINTLESS hmmm? If someone had a bad day and took a 10mil sp un-upgraded character out after being shot down and then gets shot again and podded, how likely are they to pay next month's subscription? A bit less likely i'd say. has anyone actually destroyed their toon this way?
gfldex	Posted - 2009.10.25 16:30:00 - [2] Originally by: Ninja Fang If someone had a bad day and took a 10mil sp un-upgraded character out after being shot down and then gets shot again and podded, how likely are they to pay next month's subscription? A bit less likely i'd say. I know quite a few who did that. Most are still there. And those who don't would have quit for another reason. Plenty of ppl play this game _because_ of the provided consequenses for bad moves. There is no reason to make the game even more boring.
Mal Plox The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.10.25 16:34:00 - [3] That's the reason we play this game: it hurts to be stupid. In every other game out there death means nothing. It should, for God's sake, YOU JUST GOT KILLED! Yet, we see death as a minor inconvenience... and it should hurt. At least in EVE it hurts a little. --- got an issue? here's a tissue!
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.10.25 16:36:00 - [4] If someone has no clone at all they only lose something like a couple hundred thousand SP. To bring a character with millions of SP down to nothing would take weeks. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Ninja Fang	Posted - 2009.10.25 16:36:00 - [5] Originally by: gfldex Originally by: Ninja Fang There is no reason to make the game even more boring. Sweet, press that medical button! woohoo throw on the party jams now guys we're having a time!
Doomed Predator Red Federation	Posted - 2009.10.25 16:37:00 - [6] OP doesn't have a clue about what happens if your clone isn't upgraded. For example, a 50 mill SP pilot in a 900k SP clone when podded loses 50% SP from the skill where he has the most SP in. As in 1 mill and change SP from BS V and similar. You don't lose 50 mill SP just because you're a bit forgetful but it does hurt. The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again
Biggi Raeubertochter Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.10.25 16:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Ninja Fang Originally by: gfldex Originally by: Ninja Fang There is no reason to make the game even more boring. Sweet, press that medical button! woohoo throw on the party jams now guys we're having a time! you dont get it, do you? its not about pressing a button. its about RISK. Anything else you didnt understand? :=) else, next please
Zartanic Red Federation	Posted - 2009.10.25 16:41:00 - [8] Edited by: Zartanic on 25/10/2009 16:44:14 You lose maximum 50% of your highest trained skill or 10% of your SP if lower. Op is wrong. Like most moaners basic research is too much bother for them.
Ninja Fang	Posted - 2009.10.25 16:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Mal Plox That's the reason we play this game: it hurts to be stupid. /quote] Originally by: Professor Tarantula If someone has no clone at all they only lose something like a couple hundred thousand SP. To bring a character with millions of SP down to nothing would take weeks. looks like i was a bit stupid here :) totally did not fully understand this process before posting tehee! noob rage is a powerful drug! *crawls back under a rock.
Terranid Meester Tactical Assault and Recon Unit	Posted - 2009.10.25 16:44:00 - [10] Op is just generally clueless.
Zartanic Red Federation	Posted - 2009.10.25 16:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Ninja Fang Originally by: Mal Plox That's the reason we play this game: it hurts to be stupid. /quote] Originally by: Professor Tarantula If someone has no clone at all they only lose something like a couple hundred thousand SP. To bring a character with millions of SP down to nothing would take weeks. looks like i was a bit stupid here :) totally did not fully understand this process before posting tehee! noob rage is a powerful drug! *crawls back under a rock. To be fair to you: 1. If your a titan pilot or similar it still hurts. 2. It used to be more lost but it was changed.
Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2009.10.25 16:56:00 - [12] Last I checked if your SP is higher than the clone you lose 5% of the difference between your SP and the SP covered by the clone, taken from the skill with the most SP in it, with a maximum of 50% of that skill's SP. EACS now closed: Thread
Samuel Croskey	Posted - 2009.10.25 17:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Zartanic Edited by: Zartanic on 25/10/2009 16:44:14 You lose maximum 50% of your highest trained skill or 10% of your SP if lower. Op is wrong. Like most moaners basic research is too much bother for them. To be fair, I'm not sure where you would have researched this. I've been VERY careful against just that sort of thing, but it is good to know that you can't lose EVERYTHING just cuz you were momentarily stupid.
Oscardoodle Amarr	Posted - 2009.10.25 17:10:00 - [14] Who is forcing you to upgrade your clone? You, by dying a lot.
Grath Telkin Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.25 17:15:00 - [15] Jesus christ your stupid. Learn the mechanics, then come have somebody delete your thread before more people see how dumb you are.
RabbidFerret The Scope	Posted - 2009.10.25 17:24:00 - [16] Just in case someone didn't answer this question: When you die with an non-upgraded clone you do not lose millions upon millions of skillpoints, you simply lose a level 5 skill (which one is random). Besides, if you have enough skillpoints so that clones actually start costing something you should be experienced enough to A) stop getting podded or B) make back the money in a matter of minutes. Problem solved.
I'Trade	Posted - 2009.10.25 17:38:00 - [17] Originally by: RabbidFerret Just in case someone didn't answer this question: When you die with an non-upgraded clone you do not lose millions upon millions of skillpoints, you simply lose a level 5 skill (which one is random). Besides, if you have enough skillpoints so that clones actually start costing something you should be experienced enough to A) stop getting podded or B) make back the money in a matter of minutes. Problem solved. I find it amusing that you didn't read the other dozen posts above...
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Novus Auctorita	Posted - 2009.10.25 17:44:00 - [18] When you die in a clone with less SP capacity than your current skill points, you don't lose everything. It's just 5% of the difference taken from the skill with highest total SP, up to a max of 50% of that skill.
RabbidFerret The Scope	Posted - 2009.10.25 17:45:00 - [19] Originally by: I'Trade I find it amusing that you didn't read the other dozen posts above... Consider it constructive point reinforcement.
Some Advisor	Posted - 2009.10.25 19:16:00 - [20] there was a time when you actually did lose SP until your current clone can hold it (i think) but iam from after that time. bah :( i was expecting to lose alot of sp if iam not careful and then ppl said "naa. only 50% of something" bohoo :(
Jinx Barker Caldari GFB Scientific	Posted - 2009.10.25 19:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Zartanic You lose maximum 50% of your highest trained skill or 10% of your SP if lower. Op is wrong. Like most moaners basic research is too much bother for them. Thought I would quote the sensible guy.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.10.25 19:51:00 - [22] In fairness, there is a situation where the OP is correct. If a high SP character repeatedly gets podded, without a clone, they could theoretically be reduced down to about that point in SP. Granted why the person kept clicking the 'undock' button after the 100th podding is another issue entirely... Veal, murder. Baby Carrots, healthy snack. Food hypocrisy at work.
Lord Xanthoh	Posted - 2009.10.25 21:14:00 - [23] Originally by: Khemul Zula Granted why the person kept clicking the 'undock' button after the 100th podding is another issue entirely... That's called being in denial.
Fearchar Fada Amarr Gonna Hurt You	Posted - 2009.10.25 21:14:00 - [24] Edited by: Fearchar Fada on 25/10/2009 21:14:59 I had fun doing that to a macro miner. I killed his ship and pod then used my location agent to see where his clone was at. Sure enough, the macro program kept undocking him. I kept killing him till I got tired of it. _______________________________________________ Death is only the beginning....
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.10.26 05:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Ninja Fang Seems to me that the fact that someone can completely destroy a character of, say a year or more, bringing them down to 2 weeks of skill points is pretty lame. Yeah, he'd "ONLY" need to die about 50-100 times without upgrading his clone a single time. _ We are recruiting \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Bilbo II Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.10.26 06:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Fearchar Fada Edited by: Fearchar Fada on 25/10/2009 21:14:59 I had fun doing that to a macro miner. I killed his ship and pod then used my location agent to see where his clone was at. Sure enough, the macro program kept undocking him. I kept killing him till I got tired of it. I love to read people claim this. You must have been told someone else did it and now you thought you would claim you did it. However, when you try to undock after being podded you get a popup asking you which ship to use. Since there is no way in hell anyone would write into their macro to pick a ship from the list and you won't undock till you do..... You sir are a liar
Aurora Nyx Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.26 07:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Bilbo II Originally by: Fearchar Fada Edited by: Fearchar Fada on 25/10/2009 21:14:59 I had fun doing that to a macro miner. I killed his ship and pod then used my location agent to see where his clone was at. Sure enough, the macro program kept undocking him. I kept killing him till I got tired of it. I love to read people claim this. You must have been told someone else did it and now you thought you would claim you did it. However, when you try to undock after being podded you get a popup asking you which ship to use. Since there is no way in hell anyone would write into their macro to pick a ship from the list and you won't undock till you do..... You sir are a liar KERRRRRPOW !
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.26 08:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Aurora Nyx Originally by: Bilbo II Originally by: Fearchar Fada Edited by: Fearchar Fada on 25/10/2009 21:14:59 I had fun doing that to a macro miner. I killed his ship and pod then used my location agent to see where his clone was at. Sure enough, the macro program kept undocking him. I kept killing him till I got tired of it. I love to read people claim this. You must have been told someone else did it and now you thought you would claim you did it. However, when you try to undock after being podded you get a popup asking you which ship to use. Since there is no way in hell anyone would write into their macro to pick a ship from the list and you won't undock till you do..... You sir are a liar KERRRRRPOW ! Funny thing is, unless my memory is being an arse, if i remember rightly "Way back when" after being podded you were automatically in a POD. And back before there was a warning popup for ABSOLUTELY FRICKIN EVERYTHING, you could undock straight after being podded (Session change timer notwithstanding) _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Teetxe	Posted - 2009.10.26 08:21:00 - [29] Personally i think you should just have to pay for being cloned. IE .. you dont have clone upgrades, just a cost associated with dieing based on your current SP. That way you'll never lose SP, and you cant forget to upgrade. I guess if you went into negative isk then you could lose sp instead. This just seems a much more streamlined method of dealing with death and clone spawning to me.
Angry Poster	Posted - 2009.10.26 08:42:00 - [30] Edited by: Angry Poster on 26/10/2009 08:42:44 Originally by: Ninja Fang this has not been a problem for me.. yet. it is really easy to upgrade y'r clone, so easy that it almost seems POINTLESS hmmm? Your idea is terribad. In 0.0 there are these strange things called "Outposts"... I believe certain organizations called "Alliances" wage wars over these outposts. Now, these outposts provide certain services to its owners and their allies and one of these services is called "cloning". It is possible to shoot and thus disable this service thereby preventing your enemy from upgrading their clones. So what you call "pointless" (without actually knowing anything about game mechanics) is actually an important feature of this game. Or in short: no, just no.

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