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Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:38:00 -
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OP Needs a Noctis... any sellers? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7868
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:40:00 -
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Maxime Entropy wrote:Wonder why, in those MMOs that have millions of players, the loot system is not specifically designed for people to come and steal your loot.... What you should be asking is why it's specifically designed to allow for it in EVE.
This will answer a lot of your questions. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:41:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Maxime Entropy wrote: Then it would be logical for you to support the initiative. Unfortunately, it's exceedingly difficult to find people with logical positions on Internet forums. Instead, simply because I mention terminal illness, you tell me to go eff myself.
Don't patronize me. You made an incredibly **** comment, period. I do my fair share of trolling and ass hatry, but at least I have the decency to know where to draw the line. A disingenuous comment is a disingenuous comment. You should probably just take my insult and report my post, instead of trying to continue this line of discussion. You won't get; I do sincerely hope that you never do. Huh? What incredibly "something" comment did I make? I'm simply pointing out the obvious truth.
FACT: A certain percentage of EVE players will DIE before reaching their goals in this game, and they can't do **** about it. It's a FACT. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:41:00 -
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Maxime Entropy wrote:[
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people being able to steal your stuff, in fact I think it's awesome. The fact that it takes time to get to the wreck would actually benefit a game were someone in a faster ship could fly in and steal the loot from you.
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Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
38
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:49:00 -
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Maxime Entropy wrote: Huh? What incredibly "something" comment did I make? I'm simply pointing out the obvious truth.
no, you tried to score cheap sympathy points by using the terminally ill player card, which is pure douchebaggery and deserved every bit of disdain and disgust you get, doubly so from actual terminally ill players who wanted to be no part of your bs. |
Serena Serene
University of Caille Gallente Federation
354
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:02:00 -
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Sobach wrote:Maxime Entropy wrote: Huh? What incredibly "something" comment did I make? I'm simply pointing out the obvious truth.
no, you tried to score cheap sympathy points by using the terminally ill player card, which is pure douchebaggery and deserved every bit of disdain and disgust you get, doubly so from actual terminally ill players who wanted to be no part of your bs.
I don't think he tried to score sympathy points. He just "used" terminally ill players as a point to exaggerately state that you need months and years to reach any goal in this game, by saying these players couldn't reach their goals before they die.
Which I still need to wrap my head around, why it should be bad to have long-term goals in a game. I mean, it's not that you can't have fun in the meantime.
I'm playing little over a week now and am having fun. There's -so much- I still want to skill for and try, and I'm looking forward to it, but just "having fun now" works too, so it really is an advantage to know there are new things to do for years. |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:03:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:And if this thread is deleted, or trolled heavily, I must point out, that I'm tired of filling out that part of the subscription cancellation process that asked why I'm cancelling.
This time I've decided to make a thread about it. It's not that suicide ganking that bothers me, or whatever goonswarm or the russians do, or the economy, it's the little things CCP did just to take up more time for some inane and arbitrary reason, or just to make more money.
I really think the game has potential, if they would just hire some people with the job of
Streamlining gameplay, improving the user experience
I feel there is NO ONE at CCP offices who has that job title.
But there could very well be a guy with the job description of:
"Making things take longer & complicating things" Hell, I think they have a whole department for that.
Everything already exsists in the game to solve all of your problems. If you do not choose to use them that is your problem not CCP's. Everything has a give and take as designed. No you are not supposed to have everything you want all in one ship. It is that way on purpose to give incentive to work as a group in a multiplayer game. Working as intended and will never work the way you want IE. solo. Deal with it or not. Change EVE to make you happy will never happen. |
Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:20:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Maximum Entropy wrote:And if this thread is deleted, or trolled heavily, I must point out, that I'm tired of filling out that part of the subscription cancellation process that asked why I'm cancelling.
This time I've decided to make a thread about it. It's not that suicide ganking that bothers me, or whatever goonswarm or the russians do, or the economy, it's the little things CCP did just to take up more time for some inane and arbitrary reason, or just to make more money.
I really think the game has potential, if they would just hire some people with the job of
Streamlining gameplay, improving the user experience
I feel there is NO ONE at CCP offices who has that job title.
But there could very well be a guy with the job description of:
"Making things take longer & complicating things" Hell, I think they have a whole department for that. Everything already exsists in the game to solve all of your problems. If you do not choose to use them that is your problem not CCP's. Everything has a give and take as designed. No you are not supposed to have everything you want all in one ship. It is that way on purpose to give incentive to work as a group in a multiplayer game. Working as intended and will never work the way you want IE. solo. Deal with it or not. Change EVE to make you happy will never happen. So, are you telling me that if 500 people came to the forums and said, we want more options for fitting higher level, more expensive ships like battleships or t2 ships, you would DISAGREE with them? I highly doubt you would.
But one guy asking for more abilities, or asking for anything, is low hanging fruit for disagreeable people. But in the end, it's the same thing. I'm just asking for more abilities, and more customization in ships... more content. It's quite uncontroversial. I'm asking for being able to do missions faster. That is SEEMINGLY uncontroversial.
But of course, I'm just one guy... asking for something without a army typists at my back, very easy to marginalize. |
Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:24:00 -
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Let's say, it takes at least a year to fly a carrier, and I think it takes more for all the other skills you need so we'll say a year and half.
So now you're in the carrier, after a year and a half... waited a long time, so what can you do now that you couldn't do before? Is the time spent equal to the reward? Have your abilities increased that greatly? NOPE. You've got the same module limitations in a ship that took and year and a half to get as one that took 2 months.
Ridiculous. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7872
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:27:00 -
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Maxime Entropy wrote:So, are you telling me that if 500 people came to the forums and said, we want more options for fitting higher level, more expensive ships like battleships or t2 ships, you would DISAGREE with them? No, he's not. He's saying that you're not supposed to have everything you want in one ship.
Quote:But one guy asking for more abilities, or asking for anything, is low hanging fruit for disagreeable people. Nope.
Quote:I'm just asking for more abilities, and more customization in ships. Actually, no. You're asking for automation of something that isn't meant to be automated, to avoid work that you're meant to do (or choose not to because it's not worth your time) using the various options already at your disposal which have costs and benefits that give you different advantages when pitted against other players.
You're not asking for more content. You're asking for less. That's why people aren't agreeing with you.
Quote:So now you're in the carrier, after a year and a half... waited a long time, so what can you do now that you couldn't do before? Is the time spent equal to the reward? Have your abilities increased that greatly? Yes. You have been given a rather wide array of abilities you didn't have before and other abilities have increased greatly. Whether the time spent was worth it is not something that is objectively quantifiable. Do you need those added abilities? Then yes. If not, then noGǪ but then again, why did you train it if you didn't need it? Once again: your bad decisions isn't a game design flaw. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:38:00 -
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OP.. if you don't like looting, don't loot. Do something else like trading... buy the loot cheap at mission hub and refine/sell at trading hub. Or make a living selling ammo to the other mission runners. Or go to the dark side and start ninja looting. There's a gazillion things to do in eve. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
308
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:44:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:Someone please tell me any other MMO that makes you spend an HOUR just looting the things you've killed.
As if a popup loot window is SO difficult to program after you shoot something. It may come as a shock to CCP, or Icelanders in general, but spending 10 minutes slowboating to a wreck is not exactly engaging or fun. And having to alt-tab out to the internet every 5 minutes so you don't fall asleep is not very immersive.
Now name a successful MMO that doesn't let you customize the look of your avatar. Oh right, there isn't one. Because people like to customize how they look in a game. (I'm talking about ships)
I've played on and off for 5 years and these 2 things have really grinded my gears. CCP thinks the rules don't apply to them. Well, you like to brag about how everything on EVE is on one server... that's because hardly anyone wants to play your game. And those who do aren't rewarded for actually playing and doing things in the game, because it's all TIME based. (ROFL what a joke)
(You make more money that way.)
If you actually made your gave attractive to the general population instead of a small niche audience, you wouldn't have to have micro transactions because people would gladly pay a subscription.
Don't like salvaging? neither do I, so don't do it. You want fries with that? |
Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:49:00 -
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No, he's not. He's saying that you're not supposed to have everything you want in one ship.
So, that means you hate T3 cruisers, because, they're very modifiable, and it's ONE ship, that you can customize.
Quote:But one guy asking for more abilities, or asking for anything, is low hanging fruit for disagreeable people. Nope.
"NOPE?" Oh. You disagreed. Arguement won! Gratz.
You're not asking for more content. You're asking for less. That's why people aren't agreeing with you.
True, what I'm asking for has lees to do with quantity than quality. Saying "people aren't agreeing with me" means nothing. You're only posting because you disagree, and you're only disagreeing because you like to argue.
Yes. You have been given a rather wide array of abilities you didn't have before and other abilities have increased greatly. Whether the time spent was worth it is not something that is objectively quantifiable. Do you need those added abilities? Then yes. If not, then noGǪ but then again, why did you train it if you didn't need it? Once again: your bad decisions isn't a game design flaw.
"A rather wide array of abilities?" Post a carrier fit. It will have the same "abilities" as a battleship. TANK, GUNS, NUET, DISRUPTOR, WEB, RR. And very very unlikely to have all of them. Exact same abilities that a battleship could have. OH one ship can't have everything!!!! HEY.. IF I spent a year and half playing this game, THEN YEA, I WANT A SHIP THAT CAN DO EVERYTHING.
Now, you talk about this game as if it's rules and systems and all it's intricacies simply sprung up out of nature and that they were not designed and created and programmed by PEOPLE like you and me. People created and shape this virtual universe according to their vision and goals. Yet, this is a game and one that requires it's users to pay real money to play. My only wish, as I look at this game now and since it was created, that CCP would focus more on it's users gameplay experiences than their own bottom line.
Do you think it was a coincidence that just as CCP throws a huge (read expensive) party at an event center in Iceland, around the same time a massive ship kill off in Jita is orchestrated, destroying hundreds of ships, driving up the prices of everything... just so that people with buy more PLEX to cover losses and replace their ships? And just like that they pay for their little party. I have no problem with that.
I would like for them to make the game less of an obvious tedious and boring time-sink. I'm not cancelling my account because I like the game, but it could be much better. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1021
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:55:00 -
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Maxime Entropy wrote:"A rather wide array of abilities?" Post a carrier fit. It will have the same "abilities" as a battleship. TANK, GUNS, NUET, DISRUPTOR, WEB, RR. And very very unlikely to have all of them. Exact same abilities that a battleship could have. OH one ship can't have everything!!!! HEY.. IF I spent a year and half playing this game, THEN YEA, I WANT A SHIP THAT CAN DO EVERYTHING. Carriers can fit guns? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
408
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Use a tractor beam?
+1 and fit your ship with MWD or ABN
Tal |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7875
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:03:00 -
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Maxime Entropy wrote:So, that means you hate T3 cruisers Nope. Because they don't let you have everything in one ship. Also, nothing was said about hating ships.
Quote:"NOPE?" Oh. You disagreed. Arguement won! Gratz. You should have kept readingGǪ Alternatively, what you said was just a big stonking strawman.
Quote:True, what I'm asking for has lees to do with quantity than quality. You're not asking for better quality either. The reason I disagree with you is because your idea removes gameplay for no good reason. It solves nothing and breaks stuff. I don't have to like to argue to disagree with that kind of destructiveness.
Quote:"A rather wide array of abilities?" Post a carrier fit. It will have the same "abilities" as a battleship. TANK, GUNS, NUET, DISRUPTOR, WEB, RR. GǪjumpdrive, fighters, siege mode, corp hangar, ship bay. It will not have guns. Fitting disruptors and webs on it is pretty stupid (but they're borderline on battleships as well, so we'll let that one slide). In addition, the abilities of those modules will be greatly enhanced. So not only are the abilities not exactly the same GÇö those that are the same have indeed increased.
Quote: IF I spent a year and half playing this game, THEN YEA, I WANT A SHIP THAT CAN DO EVERYTHING. Tough. EVE doesn't work that way. You want a level-based system where higher level = better. EVE is quite carefully designed not to fall into that silly old trap, but rather to make age be rewarded with more options and more choices.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
739
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:04:00 -
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You can loot a battlefield without moving using a Noctis, its possible to loot about 50 ships in a few minutes. If that is too hard for you, then you are probably better off playing Diabloooaboo 3. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:12:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote: then you are probably better off playing Diabloooaboo 3.
Although that game requires you to click each item that you wish to pick up...
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Serena Serene
University of Caille Gallente Federation
361
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:13:00 -
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Maxime Entropy wrote: [...] HEY.. IF I spent a year and half playing this game, THEN YEA, I WANT A SHIP THAT CAN DO EVERYTHING. [...]
You sound as if you need a reward for being able to stand this game this long. You're doing it wrong then. It's almost the same as people obsessed over "end game" in other MMOs .. they just want to rush through to a goal at the end, instead of enjoying the game from the beginning.
If you enjoy playing then having a carrier after a year and a half is a bonus, as far as I see it. It was mentioned you shouldn't skill for something you don't need (and don't want, I'd add, since you can have fun with things you don't need), and that makes sense for such long skill times. So I'd imagine after a year and a half of having fun playing the game to get yet another option to go about things differently, to fill another role, would be quite a reward.
If you don't have fun playing you likely won't have after reaching your big goal either. So you should come up with ways to have fun. This game seems to give you a lot of possibilities to come up with your own stuff. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:13:00 -
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Maxime Entropy wrote:"A rather wide array of abilities?" Post a carrier fit. It will have the same "abilities" as a battleship. TANK, GUNS, NUET, DISRUPTOR, WEB, RR. And very very unlikely to have all of them. Exact same abilities that a battleship could have. OH one ship can't have everything!!!! HEY.. IF I spent a year and half playing this game, THEN YEA, I WANT A SHIP THAT CAN DO EVERYTHING.
One of the main reasons I play EVE is so I can pretend I live on a different planet from numskulls like this. |
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
408
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:16:00 -
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Serena Serene wrote:Maxime Entropy wrote: [...] HEY.. IF I spent a year and half playing this game, THEN YEA, I WANT A SHIP THAT CAN DO EVERYTHING. [...]
You sound as if you need a reward for being able to stand this game this long. You're doing it wrong then. It's almost the same as people obsessed over "end game" in other MMOs .. they just want to rush through to a goal at the end, instead of enjoying the game from the beginning. If you enjoy playing then having a carrier after a year and a half is a bonus, as far as I see it. It was mentioned you shouldn't skill for something you don't need (and don't want, I'd add, since you can have fun with things you don't need), and that makes sense for such long skill times. So I'd imagine after a year and a half of having fun playing the game to get yet another option to go about things differently, to fill another role, would be quite a reward. If you don't have fun playing you likely won't have after reaching your big goal either. So you should come up with ways to have fun. This game seems to give you a lot of possibilities to come up with your own stuff.
He wants a Golem, that pretty much does everything ?
Talon |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1272
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Use a tractor beam?
or
Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Don't like salvaging? neither do I, so don't do it.
Pretty much /thread.
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Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
6
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:26:00 -
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Godwin's Law hitting in on page 4, not bad.
Though, it was the OP himself - not sure it counts then. |
Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:33:00 -
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Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Godwin's Law hitting in on page 4, not bad.
Though, it was the OP himself - not sure it counts then.
it was really an inversion of Godwin's law; rather than "you are like ******", we had "you are like one who compares others to ******" GÇô postum faex est GÇô-á |
Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:33:00 -
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Yea, I've changed my mind after all. CCP was really onto something. I hope more game companies will focus on making games more annoying, tedious, and boring. Those are the exact feelings I want to feel when I sit down to play a video game.
Now I'll go watch that irony-free HTFU internet tough-guy rap video again. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7876
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:45:00 -
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Maxime Entropy wrote:I hope more game companies will focus on making games more annoying, tedious, and boring. Don't worry, they are. Largely by clinging to those outdated class/level-based systems which are built around a constant grind for the bigger/higher/better level and gear.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Maxime Entropy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:47:00 -
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Phill Esteen wrote:Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Godwin's Law hitting in on page 4, not bad.
Though, it was the OP himself - not sure it counts then. it was really an inversion of Godwin's law; rather than "you are like ******", we had "you are like one who compares others to ******" Actually it was pointing out how low a threshold that guy had for hating someone to the point of wishing they weren't human, and the same for the guy who wanted me to wear cement shoes (in other words, the things I've written in this thread warrant me being murdered, and my body not allowed a proper burial.)
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1533
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:54:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:So, the first thing I'd do if EVE hired me is,
Create a task force of devs to help new players with terminal illnesses, such as cancer, AIDS, etc who would like to fly t2 ships, battleships and capital ships, but will die before the TIME required to achieve those goals passes.
Then I'd add a few specialized slots to battleships, so they could have scanners, cloaks, analyzers, tractor beams, salvagers, etc, without sacrificing dps or tank. This would make it worthwhile to actually level up your skills, as opposed to each new ship being exactly like the last one... (tank or dps)
Go take the hobbits to isengard, you son of a frelling goat ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
319
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Posted - 2012.06.12 08:27:00 -
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Maximum Entropy wrote:LOL why should I have to?
Because of Matt Damon!
That's about as seriously as I wish to treat your entitled whine. You leave with nothing, good day sir! Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method |
Bossy Lady
Aliastra Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.06.12 08:29:00 -
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Maxime Entropy wrote:in other words, the things I've written in this thread warrant me being murdered, and my body not allowed a proper burial
I'm struggling to find arguments against your hypothesis.
(in game)
Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M. |
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