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Linia Gallente Zaratha Zarati	Posted - 2009.10.26 12:28:00 - [1] Hi There. Wormholes is intresting and nice,but how much income can you get from them per hour-ish? Given that your soloing them. One image per sig and please be EVE related. Zymurgist
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.10.26 12:51:00 - [2] OVER 9000!!! Go out and see, only way to know what you can make. W-space isn't for isk/h min/maxing, it's for being in by far the greatest space CCP has created, where you won't get blobbed by 200 tards, where there are no map statistics and no local, and no dependable connections. The first place that CCP made to feel a little..... like space, instead of (post society breakdown) ghetto neighbourhoods. Of course, signal system (scanning) being the joke that it is, reduces that feeling quite a bit.
Linia Gallente Zaratha Zarati	Posted - 2009.10.26 13:50:00 - [3] Originally by: Qui Shon Of course, signal system (scanning) being the joke that it is, reduces that feeling quite a bit. Yea thats the main reason I dont venture into wormholes. Everyone keeps telling me "If you go in, theres nice pirates waiting on the other side with warp disruptors" And if I do get in, they will probably come and probe me down within 5 minutes. I currently earn somewhere between 25-40m per hour afk-ing missions and its.. a bit, okay very dull Mining only yields 8-12 depending on the location in hi-seks, so was wondering if wormholes beats level4'ing by a lot or its worse One image per sig and please be EVE related. Zymurgist
rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.10.26 13:55:00 - [4] Originally by: Qui Shon W-space isn't for isk/h min/maxing, it's for being in by far the greatest space CCP has created, where you won't get blobbed by 200 tards, where there are no map statistics and no local, and no dependable connections. hear hear!
Jack TheSlayer Minmatar Outcome.	Posted - 2009.10.26 14:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Linia Everyone keeps telling me "If you go in, theres nice pirates waiting on the other side with warp disruptors" sum times this is true but if u put a call out in local and go in with a cloaky covertops u may b lucky enough to find a alliance trainin new members and they will ask u to stay clear of certain sites or to avoid acts of aggression, alot of the alliances i have come across in wormhole space have been friendly enough to allow me to rat there while they do there thing OUTCOME. Corporation are recruiting come see us on our public channel:OUTCOME
Linia Gallente Zaratha Zarati	Posted - 2009.10.26 14:08:00 - [6] Originally by: rubico1337 if your doing it just for the ISK, dont go. wormhole's are a completely different playstyle from highsec, or even 0.0 for that matter. even though its great isk, dont do it for just that Okay thanks, ill stick to earning money while watching TV then. I do have been there a few times, where I did manage to see such a warp disruption field myself, luckily I could wormhole back out again One image per sig and please be EVE related. Zymurgist
khazak mokl	Posted - 2009.10.26 15:32:00 - [7] You can easily make 100 mil an hour running sites solo. AFK playstyle is not reccomended though. Start with C1 and C2 for nano ribbons. I just got 29 from 6 sites that it took me just over an hour to run. There 6.5 mil atm each. Some days the drops are not as good and u may just get 2 or 3 a site but still if it takes 10 mins to run and nets around 20 mil its not bad. When you join a corp you can run Mag sites which are the big paydays. You can run C5 mags with 5 people and on average the payday is over a Bil isk. More If you get a telocan BS. Alot of people use drakes to run the low end stuff as they are cheap but they will take alot longer to run sites.
Ace Secunda Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.10.26 18:25:00 - [8] I really is a game of chance on payouts thought, a class 1 can bring you anything from 10 mil for the hour to 150 mil for the hour depending on salvage, same with C2's. C3's and 4's offer a bigger base per hour due to better sleeper loot in cans (not salvage) so should bring between 40 - 250 per hour (taking into account you will have gangs of 2- 3 for C3's and 4- 6 for C4's), the C5's and 6's offer similar payouts per member to the C4's as you will be using a bigger gang but will be much more fun and potentially can lead to bigger rewards depending on drops from Mag sites. Best we have had in one day was when we cleared a class 6 of all combat sites and anomalies, I believe it took 10 people around 5 - 6 hours and brought in around 15 billion isk. Thats approximatly 300 mil per hour per person. A good day for those guys. 'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'
John Lupo	Posted - 2009.10.26 19:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Ace Secunda I really is a game of chance on payouts thought, a class 1 can bring you anything from 10 mil for the hour to 150 mil for the hour depending on salvage, same with C2's. C3's and 4's offer a bigger base per hour due to better sleeper loot in cans (not salvage) so should bring between 40 - 250 per hour (taking into account you will have gangs of 2- 3 for C3's and 4- 6 for C4's), the C5's and 6's offer similar payouts per member to the C4's as you will be using a bigger gang but will be much more fun and potentially can lead to bigger rewards depending on drops from Mag sites. Best we have had in one day was when we cleared a class 6 of all combat sites and anomalies, I believe it took 10 people around 5 - 6 hours and brought in around 15 billion isk. Thats approximatly 300 mil per hour per person. A good day for those guys. That`s just sick dude. Awesome amounts :)
Ace Secunda Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.10.26 19:39:00 - [10] The great news is that we have made it even easier for new WH corps to get into the class 5 and 6 sites with these guides. Each sites spawns are listed, including triggers and remote repair rats. 'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'

rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.10.26 20:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Ace Secunda Best we have had in one day was when we cleared a class 6 of all combat sites and anomalies, I believe it took 10 people around 5 - 6 hours and brought in around 15 billion isk. Thats approximatly 300 mil per hour per person. A good day for those guys. i remember stumbling on you guys doing that though sheer luck and seeing 10 t3 crosiers and 5 BSes, almost **** my pants
Ishur Gallente Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.10.26 23:15:00 - [12] 850 mil for roughly 2.5 hours that day was saweet!! ''I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully'' - George W Bush.
Ace Secunda Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.10.27 18:38:00 - [13] Edited by: Ace Secunda on 27/10/2009 18:38:21 I am now going to give an extremely useful piece of information to any would be wormhole pioneers. When moving your corp into wormhole space it makes very little difference what the wormhole you setup in is class wise, after a week your sites and anomalies in that system will have all but dried up, one thing that wont dry up however is at least one static wormhole exit. 'Static' refers to the fact that every 16/24 hours (depending on the WH) it will close due to time and another identically coded (V751, C140 etc.) wormhole will spawn somewhere else in the system, this wormhole will lead to another system of the same class as the last and will respawn every time the current WH runs out or is closed. The aim for you setting up inside a wormhole system is too scout one out with a 'static' link to the class of wormhole you want to run. So if your a 4 - 10 man corp looking for some easy isk. a 'static' link to a class 3 would be perfect. Bear in mind tho, the lower the class of wormhole you link too the more chance of people already being in it either travelling through or settled. On another note, and a note many PvP corps out there I think have still yet to grasp, there are hundreds maybe even thousands of systems in WH space with 'static' 0.0 exits. This means a new 0.0 playground to pew pew in every day and the sleeper really do supply enough isk for them to never have to worry about that next HAC loss. All the fun of 0.0 roaming gang pew with none of the crappy polatics. As always our door is open, so if you have any questions on any of the above information or anything wormhole related please drop into 'aperturecom' in-game and block Domainia if hes being too noisy. EDIT - also forgive any typos in the above post :D 'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'
PhoenixBomb	Posted - 2009.10.27 21:19:00 - [14] I've been doin WH's for a few weeks now in my Drake (C1's and C2's). I'm curious how some of you guys are claiming 850mill in 2.5 hours or getting 29 ribbons in an hour. I run a passive fit to tank the battleships and I can't fit t2 HM's yet, but I still don't see my income increasing to these levels. Am I missing something? Should I be running the cosmic anamolies instead of just doing perimeter sites? Is there a significantly faster ship to be running these in (something not too expensive, only a few months old)?
Two step Amarr Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.10.27 22:45:00 - [15] Originally by: PhoenixBomb I've been doin WH's for a few weeks now in my Drake (C1's and C2's). I'm curious how some of you guys are claiming 850mill in 2.5 hours or getting 29 ribbons in an hour. I run a passive fit to tank the battleships and I can't fit t2 HM's yet, but I still don't see my income increasing to these levels. Am I missing something? Should I be running the cosmic anamolies instead of just doing perimeter sites? Is there a significantly faster ship to be running these in (something not too expensive, only a few months old)? Those numbers are either for large gangs of higher SP characters (the 850), or people with well fit T3s/Command Ships/HACs. If you are that young, I would look into finding a corporation that runs C3s. Not only will you be able to make more isk, you will have some friends to do it with. In a few more months to training you should be able to get into the higher class WHs, but you will need a lot more folks to do it. Anyway, as my dear CEO Ace said, drop into our public channel, there are usually some guys from smaller corps running lower class WHs who might be able to point you to a new corp.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.10.27 22:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Ace Secunda I am now going to give an extremely useful piece of information to any would be wormhole pioneers. The pioneers, did their pioneering a long time ago, in the months after Apocrypha. There is nothing to "pioneer" anymore. But you can still have fun, and earn some isk too :)
Anniki Linares Amarr Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.10.28 12:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Qui Shon There is nothing to "pioneer" anymore. There are some things Also for combat sites: C1-2 = basic sleepers C3-4 = intermediate sleepers C5-6 = advanced sleepers and now in terms of sleeper loot drops (not including salvage) intermediate = 5x basic and advanced = 10x basic in terms of isk value. 1.5mil vs 15mil from BS-s (20 from guardian)
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.10.28 20:32:00 - [18] Edited by: Qui Shon on 28/10/2009 20:34:18 Originally by: Anniki Linares Originally by: Qui Shon There is nothing to "pioneer" anymore. There are some things Like what? I saw a dev hint at sleepers possibly reacting to pos's in the future, which I took to mean your pos's might get attacked by sleepers. That would be awesome, but I think it's a load of crap that will never happen. Also, I find salvage currently adds roughly 10mil to guardians on average, if you use buy prices. A little more if you use sell prices.
RiotRick Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion	Posted - 2009.10.29 08:16:00 - [19] I solo class 3 wormholes in a Legion. It takes me about 15 minutes to clear an anomoly. I use a second account to loot / salvage while I continue to the next anomoly. So I can do 4 in an hour. The drops in sleeper tags average to about 30mil per anomoly. So that will make me 120mil / hour in just sleeper tags. Added to that will be salvage and hacked/analyzed containers. But since we do t3 production in corp, I don't sell that stuff. -- The future is black.
Uozi Gallente SUBX Missions Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:21:00 - [20] I used to solo a class3 in a Proteus, and had no big issues with pirates, since i took some precautions like checking the wh on evemaps.dotlan.net before logging in. It wasn't until the hometrip where i ran into a gatecamp and lost the ship that i experienced any 'real' pirating. Which has lead me to the conclusion that zero sec borders are worse than wspace Fleshing out skills for RiotRick's legion at the moment, after that i will try again (proteus being a bit annoying with the short blaster range) Anyways made about 300mill in around 4hours game time. Though much time spend offline while others were having fun in 'my' w-space

Miriiah	Posted - 2009.10.29 12:54:00 - [21] I checked 9-10 C3 WH's in random regions of hi-sec space the last 2 days, all of them had a PoS, and all sites were cleraed, seems like a big waste of time for me, and letting people have PoS in c1-3 Wh's is just silly imo
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.10.29 14:37:00 - [22] Yes, every single Isk/h quote in this thread is completely bogus imo, and thus rather meaningless. Simply because everyone so far has largely ignored "overhead" from their figure, i.e. all the things you have to do before and after doing the actual site, whatever it may be. As well as downtime due to hostiles, lack of sites, whatever.
Ace Secunda Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.10.29 14:57:00 - [23] Quote: Yes, every single Isk/h quote in this thread is completely bogus imo, and thus rather meaningless. Simply because everyone so far has largely ignored "overhead" from their figure, i.e. all the things you have to do before and after doing the actual site, whatever it may be. As well as downtime due to hostiles, lack of sites, whatever. TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT. I like him, he has no idea yet still keeps posting :D Believe it or not guys, I just know none of our guys have to worry about isk. after a few days in the corp 'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'
Shaen Vesuvius	Posted - 2009.10.29 15:14:00 - [24] Ace, you above all ppl should know you cant put a isk/hour tag on time in wh space. You cant undock, fly to a static belt, rat or mine, dock up again and sell/refine loot/ore. Solo a wh: option 1: scan down wh, fly in, scan down sites, fly back to empire, swap ship, fly back to wh space , run site, fly back to empire, sell tags salvage. Howlong does that take? Translate that to isk per hour pls. option 2: scan down wh, swap ship, fly indy with pos into wh space, setup pos, fly back in pod, get cov ops, fly to pos, fly back in pod, get combat ship, run site, warp to pos. Swap ship, find new wh to empire, swap ship, fly loot out and sell loot salvage. Howlong would that take? Translate that to isk per hour pls. IMHO you can get filthy rich in wh space. its hard to translate it to an isk/hour quote tho. If you want to squeeze out max isk per day you will want to have a pos with a gang of ppl who can also manufacture t3 ships aswell as fly a carrier into a ca. WH space is the best thing ccp ever came up with. That and the warp to 0 option.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.10.29 15:18:00 - [25] Edited by: Qui Shon on 29/10/2009 15:19:17 Originally by: Ace Secunda TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT. I like him, he has no idea yet still keeps posting :D Believe it or not guys, I just know none of our guys have to worry about isk. after a few days in the corp Yeah, you're just full of it, "Ace". "Worrying about isk" has nothing to do with proper isk/h figures, that can actually be used to compare one activity to another. But someone like you, who loves to blow his own horn in superlatives day in and day out, probably doesn't care whether his figures reflect reality or fantasy... as long as it sounds impressive Btw, I've been living in and doing C6's since April, how about you "Ace"?
Ishur Gallente Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.10.29 15:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Qui Shon Edited by: Qui Shon on 29/10/2009 15:19:17 Yeah, you're just full of it, "Ace". "Worrying about isk" has nothing to do with proper isk/h figures, that can actually be used to compare one activity to another. But someone like you, who loves to blow his own horn in superlatives day in and day out, probably doesn't care whether his figures reflect reality or fantasy... as long as it sounds impressive Btw, I've been living in and doing C6's since April, how about you "Ace"? Ok. We have a static C6. Takes less than a minute to scan it down. 90% of the time there is already a fleet up. We understand overheads and you know what, we use efficiency to minimise their effect. Maybe we are just better than you? ''I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully'' - George W Bush.
Celia Therone	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:30:00 - [27] It really depends on your skill level, whether you like to live in normal space and the number of reliable friends that you have. If you're just getting into things, playing solo and learning the ropes, then the figures quoted here are, by and large, wildly optimistic. Let me give you an example: Yesterday I started scanning for wormholes in low sec. Found 6. One was BC sized hole, 5 had no sites and at least a somewhat active POS. The last one of those had a wormhole to a system with 20 anomalies and 40 signatures. 15 gravs, 17 ladar, 2 radar, 1 mag, 2 wormholes. Time spent so far ~4-5 hours, income 0. Took in a combat ship and cleared a bunch of the ladars. Returning to switch to my gas miner noticed the wormhole was timing out. Call that an hour, probably more counting moving ships through low sec, and income in the, I don't know, 50 million range assuming that I don't get ganked heading to someplace I can sell it. And not counting that travel time. If I'd been able to mine the ladars then my income/hour would have gone up substantially. But then I'd have had to ship the gas someplace useful (20 jumps to Jita) and it has huge volume so that's a huge pita. So if that wormhole had been the first I found and if it hadn't been nearing the end of its lifetime then I could have made substantial amounts of money. As it was I'd have made a lot more running level 4 missions.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Ishur Ok. We have a static C6. Takes less than a minute to scan it down. 90% of the time there is already a fleet up. We understand overheads and you know what, we use efficiency to minimise their effect. Maybe we are just better than you? Heh, I doubt that. Not that it would make any difference, your numbers above, as well as everyone elses in this thread, are still useless, because they don't include overhead. Are you seriously trying to claim Ace's figures above include all downtime, time spent scanning, on logistics, etc etc? And all related costs too? What you have is a ceo full of himself, and apparently he's not the only one like this in your corp. Also, we've had static c6 openings almost since Apo was released, so we know a thing or two about that, because we discovered it for ourselves long before the word spread. You know, back when there was still some pioneering to do, like was discussed earlier in this thread.
Ishur Gallente Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.10.29 17:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Qui Shon Heh, I doubt that. Not that it would make any difference, your numbers above, as well as everyone elses in this thread, are still useless, because they don't include overhead. Are you seriously trying to claim Ace's figures above include all downtime, time spent scanning, on logistics, etc etc? And all related costs too? What you have is a ceo full of himself, and apparently he's not the only one like this in your corp. Also, we've had static c6 openings almost since Apo was released, so we know a thing or two about that, because we discovered it for ourselves long before the word spread. You know, back when there was still some pioneering to do, like was discussed earlier in this thread. Dude I wasn't boasting the fact that we have a static c6, it was mentioned to underline that the time spent scanning before a sleeper op, is minimal, because we only need to scan down one sig. Tunnels are mapped fast so if people want to solo etc. They just grab the latest bm's and go. We spend very little time scanning anymore compared to PVP and PVE ops. Logistics are the same as anywhere. We make weekly trips to Jita like everyone else. ''I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully'' - George W Bush.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.10.29 17:41:00 - [30] Edited by: Qui Shon on 29/10/2009 17:44:40 Originally by: Ishur Dude I wasn't boasting the fact that we have a static c6, it was mentioned to underline that the time spent scanning before a sleeper op, is minimal, because we only need to scan down one sig. Tunnels are mapped fast so if people want to solo etc. They just grab the latest bm's and go. We spend very little time scanning anymore compared to PVP and PVE ops. Logistics are the same as anywhere. We make weekly trips to Jita like everyone else. Hah. Well, thank you for indirectly confirming that indeed, your figures do not include overhead at all. Even if one has to read between the lines to get that information out of you.



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