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ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:13:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:highonpop wrote:
OP, you didnt get ganked, you got can flipped and fell for it. CONCORD shouldnt have blown him up since you agressed him after he took from your can.
Which is such a barmy mechanic. If anybody steals something in high sec, any response by the victim should not be counted as "aggression", on the contrary theft is itself the initiation of aggression, and it should give the victim the right to shoot at the thief with impunity, and also bring down CONCORD (albeit on a slower timer than would normally occur for violent initiation of aggression), who should scram and web the thief, and return the stolen goods to the victim. The initiation of aggression was the theft. However, a thief should be able to escape with the stolen goods - if they're fast enough. The whole notion of "can flipping" is a jarring absurdity in a "high security" system that's supposed to be "policed".
Stealing is not the same as shooting.
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Zakuak
WISE OUTCASTS
Eternal Evocations
5
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:25:00 -
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Wow best thread of the day!
Man you are approaching this with a great attitude and I applaud you for that.
Some good advice from the vets laying in here aswell so read up and get informed.
These ships blow up for a reason, it'll happen again, best to keep a smile on your face and keep on trucking =)
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Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
282
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:32:00 -
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ModeratedToSilence wrote:Barbelo Valentinian wrote:highonpop wrote:
OP, you didnt get ganked, you got can flipped and fell for it. CONCORD shouldnt have blown him up since you agressed him after he took from your can.
Which is such a barmy mechanic. If anybody steals something in high sec, any response by the victim should not be counted as "aggression", on the contrary theft is itself the initiation of aggression, and it should give the victim the right to shoot at the thief with impunity, and also bring down CONCORD (albeit on a slower timer than would normally occur for violent initiation of aggression), who should scram and web the thief, and return the stolen goods to the victim. The initiation of aggression was the theft. However, a thief should be able to escape with the stolen goods - if they're fast enough. The whole notion of "can flipping" is a jarring absurdity in a "high security" system that's supposed to be "policed". Stealing is not the same as shooting.
It is an act of aggression. It's not as serious an act of aggression as initiating shooting to kill, but it is the initiation of an act of aggression nevertheless, and if there are "police" then a) the victim ought to have the right to retaliate to get their stuff back (not, of course, to the level of podding the thief), and b) "police" should respond (in some realistic time-frame, and less drastically than in more serious cases) to redress the situation.
The reason why people like "realism" in games is because it's intuitive - you don't have to learn some special stupid rule that's only in there because the programmers have been unable to make something work "realistically" and intuitively.
If the "security" in so-called "high security" systems run on a principle of "non-initiation of aggression" that should be consistent, like it is in the real world.
Either that, or have everything like 0.0. That too, is intuitive - i.e. "lawlessness". Then you know where you are.
But "can flipping" (and to some extent ganking and griefing, which ought to be possible but highly costly in "high security" systems, and therefore only possible with an extraordinary degree of preparation and co-ordination like a "heist" irl) is neither fish nor fowl, and doesn't work consistently within the terms of a principle of non-initiation-of-aggression. it's counter-intuitive, and is therefore bound to put new players off the game at an early stage. |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:00:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Arrs Grazznic wrote:Can baiting a 3-day old character... Quality  Isn't that a bannable offence? Only if they stayed in one of the rookie systems ...it's elite pvp...
I lol'd.
A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Jonah Gravenstein
462
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:10:00 -
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OP isn't technically a carebear, thread lacks sense of entitlement and calls for ganking to be nerfed
he will go far in this game with the mature attitude displayed in his posting. Welcome to Eve, the biggest hive of scumbaggery, asshattery, corruption and villainy outside of gov't.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1617
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:30:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:If you're interested in the Badger fit: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13531994The same guy lost a badger not long ago. Carrying an energy neutralizer (neut) in a high slot and a shield booster (SB), so probably the same fit that he used against you. It's completely aimed for combat. Some call it a battle-badger.
That is a pretty terrible battle badger fit.
KITCHEN SINK Y'ALL
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Mocktar Olachenko
7
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:59:00 -
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Since no one else has said it... what the hell were you doing mining omber?
Cerlestes Ore Table
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Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
99
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Posted - 2012.06.12 22:00:00 -
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Koda Myr'koff wrote:There's a good lesson actually, stay the hell out of Amamake no matter how tempting that shortcut is, same goes for Rancer and countless other  hotspots.
What is Amamake?
I'm in Amarr space, so I'm guessing I'm not that close to it.
although my eyes were open
they might have just as well've been closed
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Koda Myr'koff
Lollipops for Rancors
2
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Posted - 2012.06.13 04:46:00 -
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Amamake is almost directly in the middle of the four empire spaces and serves as a convenient hub for travelling between them, provided you avoid the camps. It also happens to be a mere two jumps from where the OP was mining, hence my warning.  |
Wingmate
Raven's Flight
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:40:00 -
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dat honey badger! |
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