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SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
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Posted - 2012.06.12 09:08:00 -
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I'm not posting this thread for pity. I'm posting it because the guy who pulled it off did it amazingly quick.
CSB V____V
So today me and my corporation were mining some Omber out at Abudba or whatever, and we were storing out stuff inside a jetisson canister.
While my friend who took the cargo to and from the dock was making some coffee, I and the Corporation leader had gotten the canister 9000 units full. While my coffee break friend wasn't doing anything, I told him in the chat to take out the ore. So he did, but he could on'y carry 5600 units. Somehow, the rest dissapeared.
A few seconds later, I notice that there's a red square, and I realize that that person was responsible for the missing ore, which I didn't really mind, but I asked my friend if I was allowed to whoop him with my guns.
My friend was sure I was allowed to without penalty so we both went to strike him. When I saw the enemy's shields on the hud, I knew I was doing large amounts of damage with my noob gatling guns, (My friend was doing more than me).
For some reason the shield of the ship healed all the way up in a split second, then the opponent shot us with a rainbow looking zapping thing I couldn't make out. I thought it was badass. So I warped away since my friend gave in and knew he wouldn't make it. We were sure it was a Vega(badger) version ship.
But for some reason the guy wouldn't back off of us for 2 hours. It was rediculous. We both got destroyed by him, and I'm sure that somehow he hadn't hit him at all, it had to have been the security NPCS that blew him to parts in a split second.
It wasn't the best of times, but it was different. It's my 3rd day of playing. And we lost some good isk with that being said.
Oh well, we'll work through.
We are still tryingto assemble our corporation, there's only 6 of us, and we need some good reliable people. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
596
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Posted - 2012.06.12 09:17:00 -
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That's quite a welcome to Eve, hang in there and fight for what's yours. A word of advice - never AFK anything, not even for a quick anything, rather dock-up and then go do what you need to do, even if it's for 2 minutes. At least you're not raging about it, well done on that. It's not often someone posts on these forums about being ganked and then not rage about it.
No tears are best tears.
o7
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
230
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Posted - 2012.06.12 09:21:00 -
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That wasn't a gank. That was your entire corp being wiped out by a single frigate.
And what is "Gamblinig?" Post with your monkey. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
3686
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Posted - 2012.06.12 09:32:00 -
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This thread needs more mining lasers!
Welcome to EVE though 
/c
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Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
230
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Posted - 2012.06.12 09:37:00 -
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He wasn't mining veldspar either. Post with your monkey. |

Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
61
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Posted - 2012.06.12 09:56:00 -
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Can baiting a 3-day old character... Quality Isn't that a bannable offence?
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Teron Radec
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
33
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:03:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13640632 |

Christopher Dulson
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:06:00 -
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You lost your cherry.
Nice work mate and remember that its better that you do it now and learn from it than do it in a billion isk ship later on.
try to remember what happened so that if it ever happens again you dont take the bait
Its not a bannable offence because he was not in a start up system |

Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
81
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:07:00 -
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At first I wanted to ask "Are you for real?", but then I saw your age. Welcome to EVE! 
Yes, it was not a gank. He just stole something from you, which allows you to shoot at him. But that's exactly what he wants, because then he can shoot back and probably kill your ship(s). It's a lame way of getting easy kills. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:10:00 -
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Arrs Grazznic wrote:Can baiting a 3-day old character... Quality  Isn't that a bannable offence?
In Eve baiting/scaming/can flipping noobs is considered as "player content", and for that kind of player Eve content content is OP, nothing uncommon and encouraged behaviour in Eve. KIll ships is good for economy and for Eve (er...)
@OP
-GTFO if something else than another mining barge gets in to the belt you are
-use standings to set negative that guy and his whole corporation/alliance (easier to spot if those are in the system)
-try to join mining ops with support (orca+instant lockers/gank or logi)
-NEVER jet can if your hauler is not around, even thou he is around don't jet can with neutrals around you, throw that stuff at the station and get back
-ignore baiting nerds/tank your ships
Welcome to Eve brb |

ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
698
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:10:00 -
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Arrs Grazznic wrote:Can baiting a 3-day old character... Quality  Isn't that a bannable offence? Only if they stayed in one of the rookie systems I just gotta go fast! |

Mme Pinkerton
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:19:00 -
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ok, let's try to disentangle this
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote: A few seconds later, I notice that there's a red square, and I realize that that person was responsible for the missing ore, which I didn't really mind, but I asked my friend if I was allowed to whoop him with my guns.
your friend was right
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:For some reason the shield of the ship healed all the way up in a split second he probably had a Shield Booster fitted
Quote:then the opponent shot us with a rainbow looking zapping thing I couldn't make out. I thought it was badass. So I warped away since my friend gave in and knew he wouldn't make it. We were sure it was a Vega(badger) version ship. possibly an Energy Neutralizer? Badger Mk II has two high slots but only one turret hardpoint so that would make sense.
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:But for some reason the guy wouldn't back off of us for 2 hours. It was rediculous. you omit that he reshipped into a Merlin after destroying your friend's Stabber
The sequence of events was as follows (source):
05:52 Badger Mk II kills your friend's Stabber 06:00 Merlin kills your Catalyst 06:42 Merlin kills your friend's Stabber again 06:45 Merlin kills other friend's Osprey
at 06:00 you still had aggression from shooting him (15 minute timer) and you should have received a warning saying that he is allowed to shoot you when undocking.
for the 06:42/06:45 something different must have happened - maybe he did canflip again? or did you have several skirmishes between 06:00 and 06:42 extending the aggression timers?
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:We both got destroyed by him, and I'm sure that somehow he hadn't hit him at all, it had to have been the security NPCS that blew him to parts in a split second. the four kills that are posted on eve-kill show no CONCORD involvement, if you or your friend got blown up by CONCORD (maybe you wanted to fight back after the 15 min aggression timer was expired) then the killmails were not posted.
Now, let's see what you can do to prepare for the future:
First there is some fairly technical/tedious reading you absolutely have to do:
Try to understand these articles. You probably won't wrap your head around everything on the first pass-through but that's ok - most important is that you know which mechanics exist, knowing exactly how they work is the second step.
Also have a look at
Next, you always should fit some sort of tank on your ships. All of your ships except for the Osprey were completely untanked and the Osprey's shield booster was undersized (made for frigates, not cruisers). Fitting theory is a pretty big topic of its own and there is an entire subforum devoted to it (this site lists a lot of guides and you should probably read some of them).
However the three basic rules for good fittings are (a) no empty slots - almost anything you can put in the slot will be better than leaving it empty (b) if you undock to fight, don't have modules fitted that are not useful for fighting (e.g. Survey Scanner or mining lasers) (c) use modules of the appropriate size - if you can't fit it's a strong sign that you have to train some support skills (e.g. Engineering, Electronics, Weapon Upgrades, ...) before using that ship. Frigate/Destroyer - small modules Cruiser/Battlecruiser - medium modules Battleship - large modules Don't fit a small shield booster on a Cruiser or medium guns on a battleship.
You have a lot to learn and some of that will inevitably be through reading OOG sites as the in-game tutorial system does a bad job at explaining important game mechanics.
It might be worth putting your own corp on ice for a bit and joining EVE University as they specialize in teaching these things to new players - it's great to have some experienced players who explain to you the basic concepts and that can answer your questions directly instead of learning by trial & error or reading boring websites. An IPO guide (David H'Levi) | Towards a Positive Argument For Investing (RAW23) | Freighter Operations 101 (Kazuo Ishiguro) | Dominion market analysis (Akita T)
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:30:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Arrs Grazznic wrote:Can baiting a 3-day old character... Quality  Isn't that a bannable offence? Only if they stayed in one of the rookie systems
This guy is right. Outside of rookie systems it's elite pvp, and so, encouraged behaviour by CCP.
Also: Props Mme Pinkerton brb |

Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
223
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:49:00 -
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You are a cool newbro, you melt my bittervet heart and I want to adopt you.
:shobon:
Having newbie mining ops ruined is a proud tradition in this game. I only hope that you learn that ships are and should be expendable, and easily replaced. May you go on to have much fun in this game.
Also don't sink too many skillpoints into mining, it's crap. |

Ayame Tao
55
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Posted - 2012.06.12 10:53:00 -
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Congratulations on enjoying and playing the game rather than whining about it.
Props to Mme Pinkerton for an excelletn post. |

Pisov viet
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.06.12 11:13:00 -
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Teron Radec wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13640632 Well congratulation to the newbie in his catalyst, he had the best ft of the three. God this stabber was awful. |

Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
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Posted - 2012.06.12 11:21:00 -
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Sniffle, reminds me of my first month out and someone shot at me with FoF missiles, I shot back and the cops killed me fast... sniffle... good times. :) GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½ |

baltec1
1432
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Posted - 2012.06.12 11:26:00 -
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Big question is though, did you get the shakes? If so then you will do well here. |

Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
224
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Posted - 2012.06.12 12:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Big question is though, did you get the shakes? If so then you will do well here.
It's a helpless feeling, watching some guy come into your belt! But my friend... he held it together.
"He's flashing red... I'm sure we're allowed to strike him without penalty"
My hands were shaking, I didn't think I was going to make it! But there we were, plinking away at his shields...
It was so real, I was there. I'm telling you, I was there!
Also confirming those fits are amazing. |

Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
81
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Posted - 2012.06.12 12:34:00 -
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If you're interested in the Badger fit: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13531994
The same guy lost a badger not long ago. Carrying an energy neutralizer (neut) in a high slot and a shield booster (SB), so probably the same fit that he used against you. It's completely aimed for combat. Some call it a battle-badger. |

Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
225
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Posted - 2012.06.12 12:47:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:If you're interested in the Badger fit: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13531994The same guy lost a badger not long ago. Carrying an energy neutralizer (neut) in a high slot and a shield booster (SB), so probably the same fit that he used against you. It's completely aimed for combat. Some call it a battle-badger.
I'd prefer a battleron V |

Koda Myr'koff
Lollipops for Rancors
2
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Posted - 2012.06.12 13:13:00 -
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Good on you son, get back on the horse!
I made plenty of silly mistakes when I was new too (still am... ), it happens. I rushed to fly a Dominix (battleship) almost immediately, which was dumb just by itself. The stupidity continued and within 24hrs of purchase I had been relieved of ownership after I tried to take a large shortcut by passing through a few low sec systems. :( Back then I thought it was just bad luck, but recently I went through all my old ship losses and laughed when I saw the system I lost it in was Amamake.  
There's a good lesson actually, stay the hell out of Amamake no matter how tempting that shortcut is, same goes for Rancer and countless other hotspots.
Have fun and enjoy the game! |

Captain' Jack Sparrow
64
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Posted - 2012.06.12 14:03:00 -
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Mme Pinkerton wrote:Now, let's see what you can do to prepare for the future: First there is some fairly technical/tedious reading you absolutely have to do: Try to understand these articles. You probably won't wrap your head around everything on the first pass-through but that's ok - most important is that you know which mechanics exist, knowing exactly how they work is the second step. Also have a look at Next, you always should fit some sort of tank on your ships. All of your ships except for the Osprey were completely untanked and the Osprey's shield booster was undersized (made for frigates, not cruisers). Fitting theory is a pretty big topic of its own and there is an entire subforum devoted to it ( this site lists a lot of guides and you should probably read some of them). However the three basic rules for good fittings are (a) no empty slots - almost anything you can put in the slot will be better than leaving it empty (b) if you undock to fight, don't have modules fitted that are not useful for fighting (e.g. Survey Scanner or mining lasers) (c) use modules of the appropriate size - if you can't fit them it's a strong sign that you have to train some support skills (e.g. Engineering, Electronics, Weapon Upgrades, ...) before using that ship. Frigate/Destroyer - small modules Cruiser/Battlecruiser - medium modules Battleship - large modules Don't fit a small shield booster on a Cruiser or medium guns on a battleship. You have a lot to learn and some of that will inevitably be through reading OOG sites as the in-game tutorial system does a bad job at explaining important game mechanics. It might be worth putting your own corp on ice for a bit and joining EVE University as they specialize in teaching these things to new players It's great to have some experienced players who explain to you the basic concepts and that can answer your questions directly - instead of learning solely by trial & error or by reading OOG websites.
I wish I could "like" your post more than once! It certainly is refreshing to see experienced players REALLY helping new players in the forums, instead of bashing them.
Thank you!
OP: You have a great attitude. Welcome to EVE, and have fun! :-)
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Demolishar
United Aggression
250
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Posted - 2012.06.12 15:19:00 -
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SKYIINET Caliborus wrote: We are still tryingto assemble our corporation, there's only 6 of us, and we need some good reliable people.
GTFO and go to the recruitment forum. Also enjoy getting infiltrated. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1607
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Posted - 2012.06.12 15:21:00 -
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SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:I'm not posting this thread for pity. I'm posting it because the guy who pulled it off did it amazingly quick.
CSB V____V
So today me and my corporation were mining some Omber out at Abudba or whatever, and we were storing out stuff inside a jetisson canister.
While my friend who took the cargo to and from the dock was making some coffee, I and the Corporation leader had gotten the canister 9000 units full. While my coffee break friend wasn't doing anything, I told him in the chat to take out the ore. So he did, but he could on'y carry 5600 units. Somehow, the rest dissapeared.
A few seconds later, I notice that there's a red square, and I realize that that person was responsible for the missing ore, which I didn't really mind, but I asked my friend if I was allowed to whoop him with my guns.
My friend was sure I was allowed to without penalty so we both went to strike him. When I saw the enemy's shields on the hud, I knew I was doing large amounts of damage with my noob gatling guns, (My friend was doing more than me).
For some reason the shield of the ship healed all the way up in a split second, then the opponent shot us with a rainbow looking zapping thing I couldn't make out. I thought it was badass. So I warped away since my friend gave in and knew he wouldn't make it. We were sure it was a Vega(badger) version ship.
But for some reason the guy wouldn't back off of us for 2 hours. It was rediculous. We both got destroyed by him, and I'm sure that somehow he hadn't hit him at all, it had to have been the security NPCS that blew him to parts in a split second.
It wasn't the best of times, but it was different. It's my 3rd day of playing. And we lost some good isk with that being said.
Oh well, we'll work through.
We are still tryingto assemble our corporation, there's only 6 of us, and we need some good reliable people.
Ganked? This is not gank.
I would describe this as playing the game.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
234
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Posted - 2012.06.12 16:53:00 -
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Quote:For some reason the shield of the ship healed all the way up in a split second, then the opponent shot us with a rainbow looking zapping thing I couldn't make out.
a rainbow looking thing? was he riding a unicorn? [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
102
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Posted - 2012.06.12 17:31:00 -
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Arrs Grazznic wrote:Can baiting a 3-day old character... Quality  Isn't that a bannable offence?
You can get a warning mail from a GM if its reported, and only if its in a starter system
OP, you didnt get ganked, you got can flipped and fell for it. CONCORD shouldnt have blown him up since you agressed him after he took from your can.
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
365
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Posted - 2012.06.12 18:00:00 -
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This thread is cute. Here's hoping the OP keeps the attitude of "huh something bad happened, lets learn from it and avoid it in the future" instead of the "CCP I DEMAND PERFECT SAFETY" attitude of so many other carebears.
Provided that he remains a carebear, anyway.  |

SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
8
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Posted - 2012.06.12 18:27:00 -
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Thanks for the feedback, I learned alot!
Um, the rainbow thing looked really colorful but it was zapping energy from my friend or something. We were using vent.
I'm not upset that much as I've switched from the games I used to play to this one which is very cool. One of the things that
makes it cool is that the players understand how the game works and using it to their advantage.
I know he was allowed to do what he did, and we were a few knowledge points short of knowing it was a bad Idea.
I'm not hoping for any of the game company employees to help me, I just decided to post this on the forums, that's all.
This has got to be the best game I ever played, and it wouldn't be any fun if things like this don't happen.
Example: You don't play MineCraft in survival mode expecting not to die with full diamond on. |

Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
282
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Posted - 2012.06.12 20:00:00 -
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highonpop wrote: OP, you didnt get ganked, you got can flipped and fell for it. CONCORD shouldnt have blown him up since you agressed him after he took from your can.
Which is such a barmy mechanic.
If anybody steals something in high sec, any response by the victim should not be counted as "aggression", on the contrary theft is itself the initiation of aggression, and it should give the victim the right to shoot at the thief with impunity, and also bring down CONCORD (albeit on a slower timer than would normally occur for violent initiation of aggression), who should scram and web the thief, and return the stolen goods to the victim.
The initiation of aggression was the theft.
However, a thief should be able to escape with the stolen goods - if they're fast enough.
The whole notion of "can flipping" is a jarring absurdity in a "high security" system that's supposed to be "policed". |
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