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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.06.12 18:56:00 -
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Taga Kreon wrote:The main change that killed Vanguards was the OTA, not the payouts... And it's been clearly stated in the forums... And by looking at the data CCP could not see the OTA stacking up in every system??? I'm a bit disappointed... The only thing Vanguards need is balancing of the OTA site, ok, some iterations for influence bar are welcome. Payout is not the issue.
The above. As demonstrated by the stacking of Override Transfer Array's what you are still going to see is the OTA's all stacking up in the Vanguards by noon USA Eastern standard time. The NCO nerf I actually agreed with in stopping the legion blitz fleets predominance, the the wall of OTA's will continue I unfortunely don't see these 2 rollbacks doing much except making it easier for the shield HQ fleets. Another issue that was never really addressed was the Assault system stacking of the NCN's. They were always the stumbling block of assaults and still are. Still unsure why the other 2 Assault system sites were changed because these changes actually made them longer not shorter to run. I do think that Assaults are run nowmore oten because of hestacking of OTA's.
Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Affinity wrote:These are just short term fixes to get us back to a place where people are happier with Incursions. We will look at further changes in the future - one step at a time. Changes in the payout may be the only needed change, provided you keep iterating on them. For example, OTA's may deserve a higher payout than other sites, just to make them worth while.
I think that changing the payout for the OTA's & the NCN's to make them more attractive is the only quick temporary fix. Except maybe allowing 15 ships in an OTA with same payout but that would require alot more testing and it sounds like the DEV's already are falling behind in scehdule.
I see these changes as a long delayed kneejerk reaction which won't fix the problem http://memegenerator.net/instance/21816812 |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.12 23:56:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:We are listening to the feedback about OTA and we are taking it seriously but that is a change we will have to look at for a future expansion, not one we can squeeze in now. We also don't want to make any further changes right now, please read my previous post about small steps
To put it bluntly without changes to the OTA's you are NOT going to see a change in the Vanguards flooring. I can't believe you are looking at the statistics and not see how they stack and kill the Vanguard fleets. Since you are so adament in not making any further changes right now actually listen to the feedback that has been tossed at you the past 1 and a half months I don't see the point in running Incursions and sadly watching my communities lingering death. Unsubscribing now I know for a fact you never communicated with the head of the Armour Incursion Community "The Ditanian Fleet"( Cozmic Cowboy https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Cozmic%20Cowboy ) and these 2 rollbacks will really not help anyone except the shiney HQ shield fleets to continue to be viable as the rest of the communities wither. From what I'm seeing in the feedback here your communications & listening to the dead NULL/LO SEC communities was either nonexistant or tossed out of hand. The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.13 05:29:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:eidenjunior wrote:Can we get to see some stats about incursion, pre-inferno and post-inferno? Not sure I can give the exact numbers, but the use of Vanguards basically floored.
Interesting last march the numbers were available on March the 3rd for February: http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html
yet are not available now mid June for May. The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:47:00 -
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Krystyn wrote:CCP Affinity wrote:We are listening to the feedback about OTA and we are taking it seriously but that is a change we will have to look at for a future expansion, not one we can squeeze in now. We also don't want to make any further changes right now, please read my previous post about small steps Well until you fix OTAs you changes will mean virtually nothing. I use to run Vanguard sites alot. The day after the nerf I tried to run an OTA 3 hours later we finished the 3rd site. I never went back to vanguards. I trained half my corp on how to run vanguards and then the nerf and no one ever ran a vanguard site again after I explained about the new OTA setup.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM PLEASE LISTEN TO THE FEEDBACK OF PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY RUN INCURSIONS CCP DEVs!!! Its not the ISK of the Individual sites. The inluence bar is a secondary problem AFTER the OTA's can finally be tackled by less then shiney fleets but the 2 'rollbacks' you are proposing are NOT going to change the reason why Vanguards have FLOORED.
( NULL/lo SEC just cannot field the shiney ships required for OTA's due to the risk ) The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:00:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Cathrine Kenchov wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:So now you've destroyed the (already terrible) war dec system, you're following up with winding back high sec nerfs? Nice one CCP.
While I agree with the incursion bar changes, buffing isk reward in high sec is simply a quick fix. One that in the long run is just going to continue turning older players away from the game. Because that's the same dev team, right? Jesus you high sec people get bitter easy On the feedback side of things, thanks for still watching this ccp, though I do fear this may not be enough of a buff, especially when considering OTA's. And given the large nerf that was random triggers, I would have like to see an overall buff to payouts, instead of just vanguards. I think at the end of the day, we were unhappy with the way the changes turned out and now we're going to kill them. These are stopgaps though, we'll need to do some larger remodeling but that has to go on another timescale than "next week".
The problem had to have been obvious for quite some time I think you saw it rather quickly and started a thread in Missions& Complexes weeks before Inferno came out. Do you really still think these 2 rolebacks are the reason why Vanguards floored so completely? The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:38:00 -
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" But the fact remains that CCP essentially murdered what was previously a growing, vibrant player community. " http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/06/rollback.html The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.14 05:24:00 -
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6 hours before downtime the Maddam Vanguard systems have 25 OTAs 2 NMC's and a single NCO There's the Vanguard balancing created by the Escalaion NERF and why they have floored for the most part CCP Soundwave. Maddam's Sansha influence 0% the rest of the Incursions thoughout Eve 100% I hope the rest of the TDF FC's don't burn out like I did. The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.02 05:52:00 -
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More broken promises... "We promised to monitor the result of these changes and we stand to our promise: after evaluating both your feedback and our internal metrics, we have decided to roll back a few changes. With so many tweaks made at once, it became very difficult to determine the success of each individual change. We have rolled back the following changes:
GÇóLowering the reward for vanguard sites by 10% " Ever hear of QA? Before the escalation NERF HI SEC Vanguard Incursions paid out 10.5 million and now they pay out 10.395 million... CCP TROLOLOLO
But better then quival over an effective 9% rollback instead of the full 10% why don't we look at the real numbers? Where are they? The Override Transfer Arrays have made the Vanguards UNBALANCED there is no other 'individual change' which more UNSUCCESFFULLY KILLED THE INCURSION COMMUNITIES. How is that for feedback?
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.04 06:32:00 -
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Here's an update on the balancing of Vanguards: as of 0625 Eve time in the Norgoh constellation 27 OTAs, 0 NCO's, 0 NMC's. oh well I guess in 4 hours 35 minutes the sites will reset. Since its a holiday in the states I expect the OTA 'balance' will be near 100% OTAs ~12 hours before DT instead of ~18 hours today. Hmmmmm I wonder why the Vanguards have floored CCP Soundwave, you want to guess? Wait another 2 months maybe then you'll see a pattern The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
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